MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

Douggg said:

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

7 heptads to the building of Jerusalem and another 62 heptads to the arrival of the messiah in Jerusalem.

Jesus arrived in Jerusalem hailed as the messiah in John 12:12-13. And was crucified, cutoff 4 days later, at the end of the 62 heptads. Not 62 1/2 heptads as you are claiming.

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Hello brother your highlight is misquoting the scriptures. The scripture says..

DANIEL 9:25 [25], Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and three score and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

This is the timeline from the the going fourth of the commandment to build and restore Jerusalem to the MESSIAH. It does not say the MESSIAH is going to be in JERUSALEM at the end of this timeline.

So the question remains brother....

1. Where does it say in the scriptures that DANIEL 9:25 is pertaining to the arrival of the MESSIAH to JERUSALEM as you claim?

Fact is it doesn't brother.

Douggg said:

I have already explained to you it is the Antichrist in Daniel 9:27 who confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 years required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, the Jews believing he is the messiah. The people of the prince who shall come who destroyed the city and temple were the Romans. Jesus was a Jew. He was not a Roman. The temple was destroyed in 70 AD. The 70th week is end times.

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Brother the question asked of you was in relation to your timeline reaching to JESUS entering JERUSALEM on a donkey which does not fit in with the prophetic timeline of DANIEL 9:24-27. What you have posted above has nothing to do with what we are even discussing.

2. You have not answered the question asked of you brother...

Please explain how your interpretation is correct when DANIEL 9:25 says that the 69th week was to the reaching of the MESSIAH. Then in the 70th week (7 years) the MESSIAH would confirm the convenant with many for 1 week and be cut off in the middle of the week 3.5 years latter *DANIEL 9:27. You have the timeline reaching the end of the MESSIAHS ministry and being cut off 7 days latter which does not follow scripture.

The BAPTISM of JESUS fits the timeline of JESUS perfectly in DANIEL 9:24-27 and JESUS testifies in his OWN words after his public annointing of the HOLY SPIRIT when he starts his MINISTRY and says in his OWN WORDS "THE TIME IS FULFILLED repent and believe the Gospel" *MARK 1:7-14. This was a direct fulfillment of DANIEL 9:25 in the WORD of JESUS.

Then 3.5 years latter in 31 AD JESUS is Crucified being cut off in the middle of the week exactly 3.5 years latter which perfectly fulfills and matches DANIEL 9:27.

Can you see your error here brother and how your timeline does not work?

Douggg said:

I guess you didn't comprehend it. Daniel 9:25 is about Jerusalem as much as it is about the messiah.

The commandment to restore and build Jerusalem
The arrival of the messiah to Jerusalem
The street (if Jerusalem) built again, the wall (of Jerusalem), even in troublous times.


25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

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Yes brother I comprehended it very well. The scripture says...

DANIEL 9:25 [25], Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and three score and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

This is the timeline from the the going fourth of the commandment to build and restore Jerusalem to the MESSIAH.

It does not say the MESSIAH is going to be in JERUSALEM at the end of this timeline.

So the question remains brother....

1. Where does it say in the scriptures that DANIEL 9:25 is pertaining to the arrival of the MESSIAH to JERUSALEM as you claim?

Fact is it doesn't brother.

Douggg said:

It does not say that the messiah would be cut off in the middle of the week.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,

not... And after threescore and two and a half weeks shall Messiah be cut off,

You are adding an extra 3 1/2 years to the prophecy.
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There is nothing in Daniel 9 tied to the beginning of the timeline of the Messiah's ministry. The timeline is tied to his arrival as Messiah into Jerusalem.

John 12:
12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

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The King of Israel is Christ, the messiah.

Mark 15:32... Let Christ the King of Israel...
John 4:25... Messias cometh, which is called Christ....

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Brother nothing that you have posted here answers the questions asked of you. You also may need to revisit your scriptures. The scriptures DO indeed say that the MESSIAH would be cut off in the middle of the week. Your leaving out the scriptures.

DANIEL 9:25-27
[25], Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and three score and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26], And after three score and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and to the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27], And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured on the desolate.

After the 69 weeks the MESSIAH was to confirm the COVENANT with MANY for 1 WEEK (7 years) during the middle of the week 3.5 years the MESSIAH was to be CUT OFF causing the sacrifices to cease.

You may need to re-visit your scriptures brother. This is why your timeline does not work and you are not able to answer the question asked of you.

Your claim is that the MESSIAH'S timline is tied to his arrival in JERUSALEM yet you cannot show this claim in any scripture (I have asked you three times or more now).

It is ok brother you do not have to answer these questions if you are not able to. At least it should give you something to think about. We can agree to disagree if you like. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed.

May god bless you as you seek him through his Word

Douggg said:

It says after three score and two weeks. No middle of the week. You are not being true to the scriptures, when you state the "The scriptures Do indeed say the Messiah would be cut off in the middle of week". You are making that interpretation. But it does not say so in the text itself.

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Nope brother that is not correct you are not following what the scriptures are saying. It continues in...

DANIEL 9:25-27
[25], Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and three score and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26], And after three score and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and to the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27], And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured on the desolate.

The scriptures say...

1. v25 From the going fourth of the commandment to restore and rebuild JERUSALEM to the MESSIAH will be 69 WEEKS. This leads us to the baptism of JESUS and his public ANNOINTING by the HOLY SPIRIT (27 AD)

2. Then he shall confirm the convenant with many for 1 week (7 YEARS). In the middle of the of the week he will cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease and be cut off v26-27.

Now brother if you look at the timeline provided to you this works out perfectly. Frome 27 AD being cut off in the middle of the week brings us to 27 AD + 3.5 years brings us to 31 AD which is the CRUCIFIXION date where JESUS was crucified in 31 AD.

Now brother look at all the scriptures presented before you. How perfectly do all aspects of the timeline that has been provided to you work out? Yet everything you have claimed with your interpretation of the scriptures your not able to prove?

This must at the very least give you something to think about regading your interpretation of DANIEL 9:24-27.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

Douggg said:

No, does not even make sense. Jesus made an everlasting covenant. Not a confirm for 7 years covenant.

The sacrifices continued until 70 ad - so those went on far beyond when you are saying Jesus stopped the sacrifices. Your interpretation and timeline is wrong.

The teachings of SDA have gotten your priorities all mixed up.

Daniel 2, Daniel 7, Daniel 8, Daniel 9, Daniel 12, Ezekiel 39 all end with Jesus returning in great power and glory, as God Almighty, Lord of lords, King of kings, to bring the Kingdom of God here to reign and rule over this world.

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Now brother none of that is true. It says the MESSIAH will confirm the covenant with many for 1 week.

DANIEL 9:27 27, And he (MESSIAH) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured on the desolate.

We are using the exact same timeline that scriptures have told us to use (1 day for a year) where we can show EVERYTHING in this timeline works out perfectly. At the death of JESUS and his resurrection JESUS continued teaching the disciples all things concerning him and their fulfillment from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. He continued confirming the covernant with the many showing that in him were all the SACRIFICES fulfilled. This is the NEW COVENANT. At the end of the 7 year period at the stoning of Steven and the conversion of PAUL the APSOTLE the Gospel was also given to the gentiles.

There is no mix up from my end brother. As you have seen the timeline provided here has perfect fulfillment of the MESSIAH from all aspects of DANIEL 9:24-27. Yet your struggling to answer only 2 questions asked of you? These questions thay you are not able to answer only shows you have as wrong interpretation of the prophetic timeline because your using your own private interpretation of the scriptures that we are warned not to in 2 PETER 1:20.

Sent in all love and respect brother. Seems we will need to agree to disagree unless your able to bring somthing new to the discussion?

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

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WHO IS GOD’S TRUE CHURCH IN GOD’S WORD AND THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS?

Before we look at who God's WORD says is God's true Church, let's start off by looking at the GREEK meaning of the word Church which is ἐκκλησία which means a calling out or meeting.

NOTE: The GREEK Word for Church ἐκκλησία means a calling out or meeting of the people. It is interesting how this link to where God is calling out all his peoples from corrupt UNFAITHFUL CHRISTIAN CHURCHES to follow him according to the truth of his WORD.

REVELATIONS 18:4, And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues.

God is calling his people out of these Churches to follow him according to his WORD and worship him in Spirit and in truth *JOHN 4:23-24.

This links in very nicely with

MATTHEW 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

A Church therefore is the people that BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. They are the called out and Jesus is in the midst of them.

WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

1 JOHN 2:3-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep <ALL> his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

REVELATION 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

NOTE: In scripture a pure woman represents God's people [Church] Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27

REVELATION 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

REVELATION 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Notice God's people keep ALL of God's Commandments through FAITH in Christ?

CONCLUSIONS: Now notice we have two groups in the end days according to the book of REVELATION. One group representing UNFAITHFUL CHRISTIANITY and the other group representing GOD’S PEOPLE. The difference between the two groups is that one groups KEEPS ALL THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD while the other groups do not.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

DID YOU KNOW THAT THE CIVIL SUNDAY LAWS ARE ALREADY HERE?

No one receives the MARK OF THE BEAST until it is enforced under CIVIL LAW by the second BEAST (KINGDOM, NATION, GOVERNMENT) of REVELATION 13.

REVELATION 13:11-17
[11], And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon.
[12] And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him and causes the earth and them who dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceives them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, that had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, except he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

As shown through the scriptures earlier the MARK OF THE BEAST is over WORSHIP and breaking God’s Commandments. SIN causes the judgments of God to be received by everyone at this time to all those who continue in it. God’s 4th Commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is if broken and is the commandment that when God says to REMEMBER *EXODUS 20:8 the whole world has forgotten because of the influence of BABYLON THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS *REVELATION 17:1-5 which represents the UNFAITHFUL MOTHER Church with UNFAITHFUL daughter Churches. God’s people however are in ALL these Churches and God is seeking to keep them out of these Churches to worship God in SPIRIT and in TRUTH *REVELATION 18:1-5. God’s true people will keep ALL THE COMMANDMENTS of GOD and have God’s Spirit *JOHN 14:15-21; REVELATION 12:17; 14:12; 22:14. The MARK OF THE BEAST is over worship *REVELATION 13:8; REVELATION 13:12; 15; REVELATION 14:7; 11. Who do we worship? Are we God’s people keeping ALL the COMAMNDMENTS of GOD or are we worshipping the BEAST and his image? God is a SPIRIT and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth *JOHN 4:24.

Brothers and sisters, you may be thinking a NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW? That will never happen! Did you know that these very laws have already been passed in all states in the US and are now today laying dormant as official CIVIL laws that are currently not enforced? All it would take would be a stroke of the pen to enforce them. Want proof? These are called the BLUE LAWS you can read about them in..

*BLUE LAWS WIKIPEDIA CLICK ME.

Are you ready for the MARK OF THE BEAST? God’s sheep will hear his VOICE (the Word)

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

WHO DOES BABYLON THE HARLOT WOMAN REPRESENT IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS?

REVELATION 14:8 [8], And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

NOTE: BABYLON is being portrayed here in REVELATION 14:8 as an UNFAITHFUL WOMAN.

Similar warnings and scriptures are also found in REVELATIONS 17:1-5 where BABYLON is described as an UNFAITHFUL WOMAN [HARLOT] sitting on the SCARLET COLORED BEAST which is connected to those receiving the MARK OF THE BEAST in REVELATIONS 14:9-10. While REVELATIONS 18:1-10 is a call for God’s people to come out of BABYLON that they do not receive the judgments of God which are connected to the BEASTS MARK. Let’s look at some of these scriputres.

REVELATIONS 17:1-5
[1], And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, and talked with me, saying unto me, come here; I will show unto you the judgment of the GREAT HARLOT THAT SITS ON MANY WATERS:
[2], With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
[3], So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sitting upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
[4], And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
[5], And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

NOTE: Here we have the WOMAN who is said to be a HARLOT that sits on many waters also a scarlot colored BEAST. This WOMEN HARLOT is named BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. These scriptures link directly to …

REVELATION 14:8 [8], And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

NOTE: BABYLON therefore in REVELATIONS represents a WOMAN that is the MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. A WOMAN in bible prophecy represents God’s professed people. A PURE WOMAN represents God’s true Church *JEREMAIAH 6:2; 2 CORINTHIANS 11:2; EPHESIANS 5:23-27, while an UNFAITHFUL WORMAN or HARLOT represents an APOSTATE CHURCH that is UNFAITHFUL to GOD and his WORD *EZEKIEL 16:15-58; 23:2-21; HOSEA 2:5; 3:1; REVELATION 14:4. Let’s look at the scriptures. Therefore, BABYLON that is connected that sits on the BEAST represents a CORRUPT RELIGIOUS POLITICAL POWER. It sits on many WATERS *REVELATION 17:1 which is symbolic of this CORRUPT RELIGIOUS POLITICAL POWER having influence over many people…

REVELATION 17:15, And he said unto me, The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

She commits FORNICATION with the KINGS of the EARTH which means this is as WORLD-WIDE RELIGEOUS movement *REVELATIONS 17:2

This WORLD-WIDE CORRUPT RELIGEOUS POWER IS ALSO SAID TO BE THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS. This is many CORRUPT RELIGEOUS CHURCHES have come out of BABYLON. Now BABYLON represents confusion it is a world-wide corrupt religious political Church that has influence with all the kings of the earth.

IMPORTANT NOTE: We need to stop here to make something clear before proceeding further in identifying who BABYLON represents. These scriptures are NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THESE CHURCHES! God has many of his people inside these corrupt Churches. How do we know this? Please pay attention to the following scriptures.

REVELATIONS 18:1-10
[1], And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was made bright with his glory.
[2], And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the haunt of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
[3], For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her luxury.
[4], And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, THAT YOU BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS, AND THAT YOU RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES.
[5], For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

God has his people in BABYLON which represents CORRUPT APOSTATE CHRISTIANITY. God’s WORD goes on to say…

JOHN 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one-fold, and one shepherd.

JOHN 4:21-24
[21], Jesus said unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour comes, when you shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
[22], You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
[23], But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him.
[24], God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

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CONCLUSION: God has his people in EVERY CHURCH. Not all these Churches are following God or his WORD. Not all these Churches are faithful to God or his WORD. It is not the people in these Churches that God hates and will send judgements to it is the Churches that lead his people away from his WORD to break his commandments. God has his people in all these Churches and is calling his true people out of these Churches to worship him and follow him in Spirit and in truth according to the WORD of GOD. It is because of his great love to us that before the judgments of God fall on these Churches, GOD will call his true followers OUT of these corrupt unfaithful Churches to follow him according to his WORD.

BABYLON represents the Mother Church; the Roman Catholic Church (not the people in it) and the fallen Protestant Churches (not the people). God has his people in every Church and loves them all. He is calling them out to whoship him in Spirit and in truth according to his Word.

God bless...

LittleLambofJesus said:

Nope. The Harlot is representing 1st century Jerusalem.
It may represent a revised RCC during or after the 1000yr period tho, as it became more prominent after the 70ad destruction of the Harlot/Queen/Great City/Jerusalem.......

Is the GREAT CITY in Revelation symbolizing the LAKE OF FIRE?


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There is a lot of scripture in post # 233 linked brother that disagrees with you. Did you wish to respond to it? We also need to remember that for the prophetic bible symbols used in DANIEL and REVELATION we need the let the scripture interpret scripture meanings. This is the very first rule of prophetic scripture interpretation according to 2 PETER 1:20. We are not to use our own private interpretation of the scriptures brother. This is where many make their mistakes.

Thanks for sharing your view though.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

LittleLambofJesus said:

There is more scripture agreeing with me concerning 1st century Jerusalem and Temple being in Revelation.
Bad translations don't help any.
For instance, there is a difference between the "Temple" and "Sanctuary".
Most versions use "Temple" in Revelation 11:1.
The greek word for "Temple<2411> is never once used in Revelation

G3485 (YLT)

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Not really David. The propblem that many make in relation to bible interpretation is that they brake the very first rule of the prophetic scriptures and that is to let the scriptures interpret themselves *2 PETER 1:20. Your interpretation of the Harlot of Revelation is that of a temple. No where in God's WORD is the temple defined as a Harlot. In regards to bible prophecy we need to let the scriptures define and interpret themselves. If we put our own private interpretation on the scriptures then we brake the first rule of 2 PETER 1:20. Thanks for sharing your thoughts though David.

LittleLambofJesus said:

I didn't say the Temple was a Harlot.
Now read this very closely:
The Sanctuary is within the The Temple,
the Temple is within the Harlot City,Jerusalem, it all got decimated in 70ad...............Is that more clear now?

Luke 21:
5 Then, as some spoke of the Temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said,
20 Whenever yet ye may be seeing the Jerusalem surrounded<2124> by armies<4760>,
then be knowing that come nigh<1448> desolating<2050> of Her
22 For these are the Days of Vengeance<1557>, to fulfill all things having been written

Luke 19
41 And as He near, beholding the City,
and He laments<2799> over Her,
44 And shall be leveling<1474> Thee and Thy offspring<5043> in Thee,
and not shall be leaving<863> stone upon stone in Thee,
stead which not Thou knew the season<2540> of the visitation<1984> of Thee".

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Apologies LLOG, I just woke up (around 5 am my time). Sorry for calling you David. I do understand that Luke 21 is in relation to Jesus and the abomination of desolation as spoken of by Daniel the prophet. This refers to DANIEL 9:24-27 which ended up with JERUSALEM being destroyed in 70 AD by the Roman Empire The fufillment of this prophecy was the result of the Jews crucifixtion and rejection of Jesus as the Messiah.