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You might enjoy those Hebrew pictographs I showed you. It's interesting to understand the Hebrew expression of what they were doing by "sewing fig leaves for themselves, for covering".
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Did you know the serpent of Genesis is not a snake?
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He opened a can of worms that's all, but not having any real understanding. That's why I showed you what I had found through the Hebrew language. That's where the knowledge really is, and the language is failing us (Jeremiah 5:15).
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I did not see it as opening a can of worms but just an interesting topic. I have some house work to do. I'll catch up later.
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I suggest:
NON-CATHOLICS STAY OUT!
And my personal pet peeve:
NO BIG LONG CUT N PASTING!
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Satan has many names throughout the Bible. Trying to debunk the Bible for these is?????????????
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Whats the "non-catholics" all about.... I thought you were Christians as well or is it in your mind, the rest of us are not?
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On behalf of lizards everywhere Daniel I really must protest your egregious characterisation of them as ‘low down filthy lizard(s)’.
They may be low down Daniel but so would you be if you were forced to walk on all fours on legs which stick out from the side of your body, unlike those gangly, stilty things you use to get around. And what’s wrong with being close to the ground anyway Daniel? Is it any worse than having a head poking up in the air like a balloon on a stick, far too high to see what’s really going on around your feet?
And ‘filthy’? Have you ever held a lizard Daniel? I have. They’re very clean and cool and dry to the touch. Can you say the same about yourself Daniel? At least lizards don’t need underarm deodorant to make themselves presentable.
So, in future, please be careful with the thoughtless insults.
Lizards have feelings too Daniel.
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On behalf of lizards everywhere Daniel I really must protest your egregious characterisation of them as ‘low down filthy lizard(s)’.
They may be low down Daniel but so would you be if you were forced to walk on all fours on legs which stick out from the side of your body, unlike those gangly, stilty things you use to get around. And what’s wrong with being close to the ground anyway Daniel? Is it any worse that having a head poking up in the air like a ball on a stick, far too high to see what’s really going on around your feet?
And ‘filthy’? Have you ever held a lizard Daniel? I have. They’re very clean and cool and dry to the touch. Can you say the same about yourself Daniel? At least lizards don’t need underarm deodorant to make themselves presentable.
So, in future, please be careful with the thoughtless insults.
Lizards have feelings too Daniel.
OB
I'm not sure how to respond lol,
I was not insulting lizards, but ok.
I was giving a examples of some terms unless, you was just kidding.
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You guessed right Daniel
I was just kidding.
Lizards don't really have feelings.
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Rhamiel,,good evening.....'Leviathan' a very large sea creature as a whale, etc. We see in Isa 21:1 .."In that day the LORD with His severe sword, great and strong, will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan that twisted serpent; and He will slay the reptile that is in the sea."
I find it interesting that if Satan can "BE" (manifest in) a serpent in the Garden of EDEN, HE most certainly can "BE"(manifest in) in the form of a Giant Sea Serpent. The fleeing Creature is twisting God's WORD. In the END, GOD will kill the REPTILE, "That IS IN THE SEA"
We see this in REV 16:3.."And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea."
Commentary: The Leviathan in question may have been dead for centuries as in modern times sea serpents are just a myth. I have no doubt that in ancient times, Behemoths on land and Leviathans in the sea existed. However, in future prophecies, Jesus tells us, everything in the SEA is killed. This leaves no doubt as to the Levitathan's demise at one time or the other.
Notice the NEW Earth has no Seas/Oceans, etc.
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Well, it does not go so well for the serpent, or the dragon, once Archangel Michael and the Blessed Mother get done with them.
Statue of Archangel Michael at the University of Bonn, slaying Satan as a dragon; Quis ut Deus is inscribed on his shield.
From: Michael (archangel) - Wikipedia
Statue of The Blessed Mother. My parish, St. Pius X.
Statue of Archangel Michael at the University of Bonn, slaying Satan as a dragon; Quis ut Deus is inscribed on his shield.
From: Michael (archangel) - Wikipedia
Statue of The Blessed Mother. My parish, St. Pius X.
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Michael does not slay the dragon but rather th
Michael does not slay the Dragon (Satan) but rather throws Him out of Heaven to Earth. For thoughts on your view of Mary (Mother of Jesus (the man)), I will refrain and let Jesus.
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Well, it does not go so well for the serpent, or the dragon, once Archangel Michael and the Blessed Mother get done with them.
Statue of Archangel Michael at the University of Bonn, slaying Satan as a dragon; Quis ut Deus is inscribed on his shield.
From: Michael (archangel) - Wikipedia
Statue of The Blessed Mother. My parish, St. Pius X.
Michael does not slay the Dragon (Satan) but rather throws Him out of Heaven to Earth. For thoughts on your view of Mary (Mother of Jesus (the man)), I will refrain and let Jesus.
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In 1902, Pope Leo XIII gave an abbreviated version of his 'Prayer to St. Michael Archangel'. In the 1902 version we see a clear link to the apocalyptic Book of Revelation 20. The 'dragon' and the 'serpent' are the same guy, Satan.
Prayer to St. Michael Archangel
by Pope Leo XII (1902 version)
by Pope Leo XII (1902 version)
In name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
St. Michael the Archangel, illustrious leader of the heavenly army,
defend us in the battle against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of darkness and the spirit of wickedness in high places. Come to the rescue of mankind, whom God has made in His own image and likeness, and purchased from Satan's tyranny at so great a price. Holy Church venerates you as her patron and guardian. The Lord has entrusted to you the task of leading the souls of the redeemed to heavenly blessedness. Entreat the Lord of peace to cast Satan down under our feet, so as to keep him from further holding man captive and doing harm to the Church. Carry our prayers up to God's throne, that the mercy of the Lord may quickly come and lay hold of the beast, the serpent of old, Satan and his demons, casting him in chains into the abyss, so that he can no longer seduce the nations.
Quoted From: Prayer to Saint Michael - Wikipedia
Revelation 20:1
Then I saw an angel come down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the abyss and a heavy chain. and tied it up for a thousand years and threw it into the abyss, which he locked over it and sealed, so that it could no longer lead the nations astray until the thousand years are completed. After this, it is to be released for a short time.
Pope Leo XIII's, 'Entreat the Lord of peace to cast Satan down under our feet, so as to keep him from further holding man captive and doing harm to the Church', also gives us a picture of The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, with Satan under Her feet. St. Michael the Archangel, illustrious leader of the heavenly army,
defend us in the battle against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of darkness and the spirit of wickedness in high places. Come to the rescue of mankind, whom God has made in His own image and likeness, and purchased from Satan's tyranny at so great a price. Holy Church venerates you as her patron and guardian. The Lord has entrusted to you the task of leading the souls of the redeemed to heavenly blessedness. Entreat the Lord of peace to cast Satan down under our feet, so as to keep him from further holding man captive and doing harm to the Church. Carry our prayers up to God's throne, that the mercy of the Lord may quickly come and lay hold of the beast, the serpent of old, Satan and his demons, casting him in chains into the abyss, so that he can no longer seduce the nations.
Quoted From: Prayer to Saint Michael - Wikipedia
Revelation 20:1
Then I saw an angel come down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the abyss and a heavy chain. and tied it up for a thousand years and threw it into the abyss, which he locked over it and sealed, so that it could no longer lead the nations astray until the thousand years are completed. After this, it is to be released for a short time.
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In 1902, Pope Leo XIII gave an abbreviated version of his 'Prayer to St. Michael Archangel'. In the 1902 version we see a clear link to the apocalyptic Book of Revelation 20. The 'dragon' and the 'serpent' are the same guy, Satan.
Prayer to St. Michael Archangel
by Pope Leo XII (1902 version)
In name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.Pope Leo XIII's, 'Entreat the Lord of peace to cast Satan down under our feet, so as to keep him from further holding man captive and doing harm to the Church', also gives us a picture of The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, with Satan under Her feet.
St. Michael the Archangel, illustrious leader of the heavenly army,
defend us in the battle against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of darkness and the spirit of wickedness in high places. Come to the rescue of mankind, whom God has made in His own image and likeness, and purchased from Satan's tyranny at so great a price. Holy Church venerates you as her patron and guardian. The Lord has entrusted to you the task of leading the souls of the redeemed to heavenly blessedness. Entreat the Lord of peace to cast Satan down under our feet, so as to keep him from further holding man captive and doing harm to the Church. Carry our prayers up to God's throne, that the mercy of the Lord may quickly come and lay hold of the beast, the serpent of old, Satan and his demons, casting him in chains into the abyss, so that he can no longer seduce the nations.
Quoted From: Prayer to Saint Michael - Wikipedia
Revelation 20:1
Then I saw an angel come down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the abyss and a heavy chain. and tied it up for a thousand years and threw it into the abyss, which he locked over it and sealed, so that it could no longer lead the nations astray until the thousand years are completed. After this, it is to be released for a short time.
Satan the Dragon are the same (GUY)! I agree. but in Rev. 12:7-9, Michael along with the two thirds of the angels that stayed with GOD, threw Satan/Dragon and his 1/3 third of the angels to Earth.
Are we in the 1000 years where Satan is in the Bottomless pit ( Rev 20:1-2)???? I think NOT> but If He is, then Satan's Chain is way too long. Don't you think?
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I say the 'seventh trumpet of Armageddon' has not yet blown. Jesus takes over as King and Ruler of the world when the seventh trumpet of the Apocalypse blows. The Book of Revelation tells us that 'Now have salvation and power come, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Anointed.', when Archangel defeats Satan in heaven, which happens when the seventh trumpet blows, on earth. Are you saying that you think that the seventh trumpet of Armageddon has blown and Jesus Kingdom on earth and authority has already come to us?
We Catholics Pray the Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel to Come and defeat Satan so that he will not lead the nations astray.
God was King and Ruler over Israel, from the Exodus till the fall of Israel in 587 B.C.. At the fall of Israel, God put king Nebuchadnezzar as king over Israel. Nebuchadnezzar was just as ruthless as Adolph Hitler. God has Promised Israel and the world, that God will again Rule over Israel, and the world, in the form of God's Son, Jesus Christ. Archangel Michael hurling Satan out of heaven, is symbolic for Archangel Michael ending, man's evil human pride in secular power, as God's present authorized ruler on earth. When the seventh trumpet of Armageddon Blows, Jesus will Rule on earth and Satan will be chained in hell.
Revelation 10:7
At the time when you hear the seventh angel blow his trumpet , the mysterious plan of God shall be fulfilled, as he promised to his servants the prophets.
Revelation 11:15
Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet. There were loud voices in heaven, saying, 'The kingdom of the world now belongs to our Lord and to his Anointed, and he will reign forever and ever'.
A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems. Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to God and his throne.The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days. Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back, but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels were thrown down with it. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: 'Now have salvation and power come, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Anointed.'
At the time when you hear the seventh angel blow his trumpet , the mysterious plan of God shall be fulfilled, as he promised to his servants the prophets.
Revelation 11:15
Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet. There were loud voices in heaven, saying, 'The kingdom of the world now belongs to our Lord and to his Anointed, and he will reign forever and ever'.
Revelation 16:16
They then assembled the kings in the place that is named Armageddon in Hebrew.
The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air. A loud voice came out of the temple from the throne, saying, 'It is done.'
Revelation 12:1They then assembled the kings in the place that is named Armageddon in Hebrew.
The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air. A loud voice came out of the temple from the throne, saying, 'It is done.'
A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems. Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to God and his throne.The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days. Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back, but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels were thrown down with it. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: 'Now have salvation and power come, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Anointed.'
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I was not saying anything other literally reading what you put forth. The above is too much to do here so I will say, In Rev 10:7 we will see the final moments of the Great Tribulations begin (3.5 years) as spoken by Jesus in Mat 24:21.
In Rev 11:15, the seventh Trumpet begins the last 3.5 years. The Bowls of Wrath from Heaven and of GOD himself. Inthe seals, 1/4 of the People on earth will die. During the trumpets, 1/3 of those left will die. and during the bowls, we will find those that will be live during the reign of Jesus Christ for 1000 years will be the only humans left on earth. All others will die.
Rev 12:1 like chapters 11, 13 & 14 are a summary of events, a parenthesis if you like. Chapter 12 as you say tells a story of the REMNANT of Israel who will flee Jerusalem at the sight of the AoD by the Antichrist/Satan. Just prior to the Anti-Christ/Satan Combo (son of perdition), Satan is thrown out of Heaven by Michael. The timing of events will be fast but will be in order. Satan from Heaven, Saves the Anti-christ who is mortally wounded, Declares Himself to be GOD (AoD) and tries to kill the Remnant of Israel who are fleeing to the mountains south of Jerusalem in Jordan's city named Petra.
Rev 12:5.."And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne." Since this part (the birth of Jesus and the ascension) has already happened, the birth of the man child would likely be the Rapture of the CHurch or (the BODY of CHRIST). P.S. The event happened in the stars during Rosh Hashanah 2017.
Time is nearer than some think!
Armageddon is the end of the Great Tribulations (Dainel's 70th Week, Jacob's Trouble, Time of Terror of the Lord). During the extra 30 and 70 days Daniel gives in Chapter 12 the setup, the Goat and Sheep Judgements will be brought forth. This is prior to the millennium as the nations of Sheep that helped Israel will live through it.
Guess I got carried away. sorry.
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