Is the mark of the beast Sunday worship?

Roman's 14:5

A_Thinker said:

Romans 14:5-6 KJV One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.

Colossians 2:16-17 KJV
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

Days are but a shadow of the fullness that has come in Christ. It is Christ Who deserves our unabated loyalty, not particular days. We are to find our Sabbath (i.e. rest) in Christ.

Matthew 11:28-30
Come unto ME, all you who labor and are heavily laden, ... and I will give you rest.

Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me ... for I am meek and lowly in heart ... and you shall find rest until your souls.

For My yoke is easy ... and My burden is light.

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His burden is light. And those verses in Context do not mean what you are trying to make them say.

A_Thinker said:

One of the signs of a cultish slant ... is that OTHER WRITINGS than the SCRIPTURES become a basis for doctrine.

If a doctrine is to be observed in Christ's Church, it should be adequately justified in the SCRIPTURES ALONE ...

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It is adequately justified in Scripture alone.

I agree these other writing should not be a basis but a help to understand Scripture. We are told after all that not everyone is given the gift of understanding. And that many require a teacher
Romans 10
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Acts 8
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.


1 Cor 12
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:

It is adequately justified in Scripture alone.

I agree these other writing should not be a basis but a help to understand Scripture. We are told after all that not everyone is given the gift of understanding. And that many require a teacher
Romans 10
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Acts 8
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.


1 Cor 12
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

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1 John 2:27

But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true--it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ.

Jordan_cg said:

Hello! I'm very curious about this topic!

Hey, so I'm pretty young in my (new) faith, considering becoming an ex-adventist after 18 years (I am 18) because now that I'm away from home, I have been reading the Bible for MYSELF and not listening to what people tell me like how it was in the past, and my beliefs have shifted that of my entire family.

Growing up, I did not know what to think about other people who worship on Sunday, because Adventists worship on Saturday (not only Adventists. I'm sure there are other denominations that worship on Saturday and Jews). I was taught that Sunday worship was the mark of the beast all my entire life, and that Saturday was the true perfect day of rest and whoever worships on Saturday has the seal of God (quoted from Ellen G White). Now I'm at college, away from home, and I joined a christian fellowship group; with no one who is an Adventist. I see all these Jesus loving people who don't worship on Sunday and at first I questioned their salvation, since they have the mark of the beast because of Sunday, but now I go to church on Sunday also where most of the sermons aren't one dimensional towards just a denomination.

Just still in the waters about this question. People say it is a microchip, Sunday worship, or that those prophecies in Revelation already happened with Emperor Nero.

It is also very hard to open up to my parents about my new faith and leaving Adventism. I am not doing it out of disrespect, but because I want my relationship with Christ to grow, which I think they will despise.

I'm open to plenty of insight, thanks for your time!

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Definitions of words matter, especially as I read this post. The word worship for example, is a word that is often tied to prayer, praise, and what day of the week one sets aside. But worship carries the idea of submission, the Hebrew word (shachah) meaning to bend or bow which we do out of submission. Thus everything about our life that we do because we serve Him... is part of worship. That can be prayer and praise, it can be following commandments or feeding the poor.

Your question should be, "is keeping Sunday as the SABBATH the mark of the beast?" and the answer would be no. While I firmly believe that man left the 7th day and began to honor the 1st day on his own without direction from God, doing so is not the mark of the beast, not by a long shot. One can't "buy or sell" if they take the mark... and from simple observation can we determine that currently those who set Sunday aside can buy or sell AND there is no legislation even hinted at to think one day that might change. Sunday is not the set apart day but I do think God honors one who truly sets it apart.

That all said... in Deut. 6, Israel was told to mark their hands and heads with symbols that represent God's Torah, God's instructions. In Revelation, the mark is on the hand and head just the same way as in Deut., but now it is a false way. Thus, the mark is a false set of instructions, perhaps attributed to God, perhaps not... but that is what folks will mark themselves with.

Jordan_cg said:

or that those prophecies in Revelation already happened with Emperor Nero.

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I am of this belief. It is good you are searching for some answers on eschatology. Keep on your path, eventually you will come to a conclusion that rings true. If you would like to know more about this, you can check out this web site under "When shall these things be". Steve does a study on all sides of the debate concluding with his side and why.
Blessings

https://www.thenarrowpath.com/topical_lectures.php#WhenShallTheseThingsBe

The Apostles rightly believed it was more fitting to worship on the day of Jesus Christ's glorious Resurrection than on the day He lay dead in the tomb, which is why they changed the day of worship to Sunday. And Christians have been worshipping on Sunday every since.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:

Sure thing brother.
Declared all the counsel of God(Acts 20:26-28)
Continued in Doctrine of the Apostles(Acts 2:42)
Hold Fast to the Doctrine(Titus 1:9)
Paul has Planted the word(2 Thess 3:6)
Hold Fast to the word and Traditions we have been taught(2 Thess 2:14-17)
Doctrine of Christ(2 John 9-10)
Observe these things(1 Tim 5:21)
Be mindful of the words spoken by the prophets and the commandments of the Apostles and Christ(2 Peter 3:1-2, 15-18)
Keep the sound words given by Paul(1 Timothy 1:13-14)
Fully known the Doctrine, continue in things learned(2 Tim 3:10, 14-15)
Laws of God (Rom 13:2,9-10)
Stablish according to the Gospel and preaching of Christ(Romans 16:25-27)
Fully preached the Gospel of Christ(Romans 15:19,29)
Acknowledge things spoken as commandments of the Lord(1 Cor 14:37)
Gospel received by Revelation of Christ(Gal 1:6-12)
Christ the same today yesterday and tomorrow, so to is the word of God the same. (Hebrews 13:8-9)
Keep the Commandments given by Christ(John 14:21,23, Matt 28:20)
Holy word of God is of no private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20-21)

The fullness of the Doctrine and Traditions of Christ is within the bible preached by the Apostles and Christ.

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So you say the Bible is important? That's not what I asked. I said where does it say the Bible "the whole one" is the only thing to be used?

PaulCyp1 said:

The Apostles rightly believed it was more fitting to worship on the day of Jesus Christ's glorious Resurrection than on the day He lay dead in the tomb, which is why they changed the day of worship to Sunday. And Christians have been worshipping on Sunday every since.

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I don't care what you do, but there is no historical support for your statements. The Hellenized Jews (Greek Jews) spiritualized the day of the resurrection (which was already a set apart day - firstfruits/habikkurim) and began to worship (if you insist on applying this word to one day a week) on Sunday. But this was a minority opinion and practice.... The writer of Hebrews (Paul?) was clear enough in Hebrews 4:9 that there "remains therefore, a Sabbath keeping for the people of God." The context and wording are clear that he is talking about the 7th day and to working because he brings in the example of God resting on the 7th day from His works. There is NO historical support, TIME PERIOD support, to defend your comment. You're welcome to believe it, it truly is between you and God... but as far as teaching it to others... they need to know that you have shared your OPINION without time period sources. Oh, you might find somebody from 100 YEARS later, but that isn't a time period source... a time period source would be a document from right after Messiah raised (10 years, 20, 30? Not 100 or more) that documents the claim.

Jordan_cg said:

Hello! I'm very curious about this topic!

Hey, so I'm pretty young in my (new) faith, considering becoming an ex-adventist after 18 years (I am 18) because now that I'm away from home, I have been reading the Bible for MYSELF and not listening to what people tell me like how it was in the past, and my beliefs have shifted that of my entire family.

Growing up, I did not know what to think about other people who worship on Sunday, because Adventists worship on Saturday (not only Adventists. I'm sure there are other denominations that worship on Saturday and Jews). I was taught that Sunday worship was the mark of the beast all my entire life, and that Saturday was the true perfect day of rest and whoever worships on Saturday has the seal of God (quoted from Ellen G White). Now I'm at college, away from home, and I joined a christian fellowship group; with no one who is an Adventist. I see all these Jesus loving people who don't worship on Sunday and at first I questioned their salvation, since they have the mark of the beast because of Sunday, but now I go to church on Sunday also where most of the sermons aren't one dimensional towards just a denomination.

Just still in the waters about this question. People say it is a microchip, Sunday worship, or that those prophecies in Revelation already happened with Emperor Nero.

It is also very hard to open up to my parents about my new faith and leaving Adventism. I am not doing it out of disrespect, but because I want my relationship with Christ to grow, which I think they will despise.

I'm open to plenty of insight, thanks for your time!

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No, for that is Sda teaching of Ellen White, but not in the Bible! marof the beast will be some sign that will indicate that one is following antichrist as their God, and not Jesus Himself...

Monk Brendan said:

They falsely claim that the Pope is the beast, and the mark of the Beast is worship on Sunday, because the Pope is the one who changed Saturday to Sunday.

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Monk is mistaken as usual on SDA beliefs and teachings.

All denominations under the protestant banner can trace their beginning to the reformation

The Reformers, one and all, applied the prophecies of the “Man of sin” and the “Antichrist” to the Papacy. John Knox, for instance, wrote, “The Pope is the head of the Church of Antichrist. As for your Roman Church as it is now corrupted. I no more doubt but that it is the synagogue of Satan, and the head thereof called the Pope, the man of sin.”

http://pdf.amazingdiscoveries.org/eBooks/THE_ORIGIN_OF_FUTURISM.pdf

And here are various Catholic sources claiming the change was the doing of the Roman Catholic Church:
Boasts of the Roman Church about Sunday

Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:

But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

Yet we know of no individuals who declared Sunday the mark of the beast. What do we conclude from this? That the Church suppressed them? This is simply the imagination of the Anti-Catholic run wild.

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Do a quick google of the subject before you post your opinion.

Letter from C.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons on October 28, 1895:

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act…And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.

American Catholic Quarterly Review (January 1883):

Sunday...is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.


Catholic American Sentinel (June 1893):
Sunday...It is a law of the Catholic Church alone...

Boasts of the Roman Church about Sunday

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

My central concern remains unanswered. It's the same problem with all Restorationist Christianity, God's inactivity, God's lack of caring for his faithful to not even deliver them from the worst of heresies. A Church utterly incompetent and inept that from the start it fractured and became beyond redemption as soon as Christ left or if not then, least by the end of the first century.

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This verse might help you understand it a little better.
Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

John 6:38-40 King James Version (KJV)
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Proverbs 30:5
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Original Happy Camper said:

Do a quick google of the subject before you post your opinion.

Letter from C.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons on October 28, 1895:

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act…And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.

American Catholic Quarterly Review (January 1883):

Sunday...is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.


Catholic American Sentinel (June 1893):
Sunday...It is a law of the Catholic Church alone...

Boasts of the Roman Church about Sunday

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This refutes me how? Why did it take 1900 years for the Church to figure out what this verse in revelation meant? Why did God leave the Church and all Christendom in abject darkness and submission to Satan's High Holy day?

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:

It doesn't mean there weren't any. Since we can see clearly from Scripture Paul telling us the Sabbath day is Sacred and Isaiah through Zechariah to Malachi telling us the Sabbath day is required to be part of the Lord's Holy community/kingdom in the Valley of the mountain and Isaiah and revelation telling us that in the new heavens and the New earth the Lord's people keeping the Sabbath day and his law.

I am well aware of that there are differing views within the Church. I am addressing their edicts/Laws/Traditions throughout history and the people who implemented them. They are(for the most part) the ones who carried out the killing of fellow Christians. I am also aware that it is through Individuals within the Church(and also from without) that the history and doctrine of these others groups became preserved. But one does not excuse the other. I believe those who sought the truth were given what they were capable of understanding.

I did answer it brother, you just don't like or won't accept the answer. There were many groups that existed apart from the Catholic Church Who God Gave his true doctrine to. And there were many within the Church, who when given light, brought it to the bishops and Cardinals but were rejected so they left to preach the truth they were given(suffering from persecution all along the way).

It should also be noted that every Christian is only judged by the Knowledge they have received and their faith in it and in Christ.

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Name one group or person before the reformation. Just one who adheres to this theology of yours.

A_Thinker said:

1 John 2:27

But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true--it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ.

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We are told that some need to seek out a teacher to instruct them with milk and then meat
Romans 10:14-17
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Ephesians 4:11-16
1 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Hebrews 5:12-14
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

1 Corinthians 3:1-2
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

1 Peter 2:1-3
1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.


Not everyone is given the gift of understanding, but if we ask the with faith the Lord will send us an answer by means of the Spirit or someone to instruct us.
1 Cor 12:8-11
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

James 1:5-8
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.


As to your quote, he wrote that to them because they had already been instructed in the word of God and the righteous path.
1 John 2
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

These people were already instructed in the truth from the beginning and not in need of someone to teach them. Just as Paul said a man with Strong meat was not in need of Milk to be taught it again.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:

The Pope(any of them/all of them) is the one who THOUGHT to change times and laws. There are many who came before who taught that Sunday worship was the way to go, but what set them apart from the Catholic Church is that none of them had the same amount of power/influence as the Catholic Church. Each of the Popes were/are an Anti Christ because they each work against Christ. Even in the days of Paul we are told there were those who tried to introduce false days of Worship, that is why he wrote Hebrews 4 to show that the day of Rest remains. And if the Lord were going to have changed the Sabbath day then would he not have spoken of another day?

There is no day we are forbidden to worship on, in fact we are glorify the Lord and worship him constantly, without ceasing. There is though only one SABBATH DAY for worship. That distinction may be where your confusion stems from.

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The Jewish Sabbath day is a day of rest according to the law, and Gentiles are not under the law. Hence, Gentiles are not required to honor the Sabbath day.

The first day, Sunday is the day that the Lord rose from the tomb. We do not rest on Sunday as Sunday is not the Sabbath day.

The Lord's Day is Sunday not the Sabbath day.

The church in the first four centuries gathered on Sunday. The council of Laodicea (363 AD) issued a canon regarding the Lord's Day.

Canon XXIX
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honoring the Lord’s Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

This church law was not made by the church in Rome or by any pope.

David Cabrera said:

So you say the Bible is important? That's not what I asked. I said where does it say the Bible "the whole one" is the only thing to be used?

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I said the bible is the whole truth and the fullness of the Gospel and traditions of Christ. That is what I said. Because that is what the bible says.

You asked "First answer where in the Bible say that everything has to be in the Bible."

And I showed you every place(that i could find) that says they preached the fullness of doctrine and traditions of Christ we have no need of any outside source that originates and is based outside of the bible and it's traditions and doctrine.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

Name one group or person before the reformation. Just one who adheres to this theology of yours.

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John and all the Apostles. Because it is not my theology, it comes from God and was spoken through them(the Apostles). And it was written in the word of God. They Kept the Sabbath day Holy, just we are commanded to do.

klutedavid said:

The Jewish Sabbath day is a day of rest according to the law, and Gentiles are not under the law. Hence, Gentiles are not required to honor the Sabbath day.

The first day, Sunday is the day that the Lord rose from the tomb. We do not rest on Sunday as Sunday is not the Sabbath day.

The Lord's Day is Sunday not the Sabbath day.

The church in the first four centuries gathered on Sunday. The council of Laodicea (363 AD) issued a canon regarding the Lord's Day.

Canon XXIX
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honoring the Lord’s Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

This church law was not made by the church in Rome or by any pope.

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The Moral law is written in hearts of every man, nowhere does it say the Sabbath day has left us. In fact it says that we should fear if the Sabbath day does not remain.

If you do not keep the Sabbath day Holy then you are not Honoring God by keeping his Commandments.

Actually different sects of Christianity gathered on Sunday. Christians with pure doctrine did not.

That law sure was made my man. It is not shown anywhere in the word of God.