That is based on culture and tradition, nothing that Jesus or his Father said.
Jesus chose 12 men to lead his church.
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That is based on culture and tradition, nothing that Jesus or his Father said.
I’ll answer for me. I read it a lot of different ways, literally (which requires some foreign language study, because some parts don’t say in Hebrew or Greek what they are made to say in English), metaphorically, allegorically, as law, as written tradition.
Since I’m a Catholic, obviously I don’t think it’s the final authority on anything, or the final revelations of God. But there’s quite a bit in it that it is useful and good.
Just Another User,
Why don't you examine the meaning of 'authority' in 1 Tim 2:12? What kind of authority is forbidden to women?
Exousia is the regular Greek word for authority. It is not used in this verse. Instead, it's the infinitive, authentein, and here is the only time it appears in the entire NT.
So what does this different word for authority mean? That should help us in exegesis of the verse and what kind of authority women are forbidden to use.
Oz
Read all of the New Testament; these men founded congregations where men (not just Jewish men) were the leaders. Read about the history of the Church prior to, and following the Council of Nicea; all of the leaders of the Church (Bishops and Pastors) are male. Female ordination is not, and never was part of the Catholic, Orthodox, Confessional Lutheran Churches; or any Church until fairly recently in history of the Church, and then only in some of the Churches that are part of what is known as the "Radical Reformation".Jesus also chose twelve Jews. Does that mean that only Jews can lead worship and Gentiles can have no authority over them?
Jesus also chose twelve Jews. Does that mean that only Jews can lead worship and Gentiles can have no authority over them?
That’s true, because Timothy was put over the church in Ephesus and Timothy was half Jew, half gentile.Read all of the New Testament; these men founded congregations where men (not just Jewish men) were the leaders. Read about the history of the Church prior to, and following the Council of Nicea; all of the leaders of the Church (Bishops and Pastors) are male. Female ordination is not, and never was part of the Catholic, Orthodox, Confessional Lutheran Churches; or any Church until fairly recently in history of the Church, and then only in some of the Churches that are part of what is known as the "Radical Reformation".
No, scripture is not clear. If it is impossible in the Lutheran Church Canada that is only because the membership refuses to allow it.Scripture is clear; like the Catholic Church, it is impossible in Lutheran Church Canada.
There are presbyteros mentioned, even Ignatius mentioned them in his writingsThe modern office of pastor didn’t exist in Biblical times. Scripture talks about overseers, apostles, elders, deacons. I don’t think the word pastor appears more than a handful if times, and the details of the office are never described. Shephard is used, but in most cases as a verb not a noun.
When Paul went to Philippi, Acts 16:11-15, he went to the place of prayer where he found Lydia and other women. Lydia and all her household were baptised, and Paul stayed with her for several days - she could well have been a founder member of the church there.Read all of the New Testament; these men founded congregations where men (not just Jewish men) were the leaders.
Read about the history of the Church prior to, and following the Council of Nicea; all of the leaders of the Church (Bishops and Pastors) are male.
It's the final authority on doctrine and the faith.
I'm sure I'm not telling you something you don't already know, at least instinctively.
There are presbyteros mentioned, even Ignatius mentioned them in his writings
There have been female Quaker pastors since the 1600s.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Note the use of the word “I” in verse 12. It does not say God does not suffered a woman to teach. Paul is speaking of himself.
Archivist,
Do you deny that Paul wrote 1 Timothy under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and when he wrote, 'I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet' (1 Tim 2:12 NIV), Paul taught what was applicable to all believers?
'I do not permit a woman' is a sentence that is only part of the Greek grammar of 1 Tim 2:12. There is much more to this verse than your emphasis on the first person (I) singular.
Oz
Titus is a gentile (Roman) name.That’s true, because Timothy was put over the church in Ephesus and Timothy was half Jew, half gentile.
Trained by Paul primarily