If going to (a) church doesn't make you a Christian, then what does...?

Neogaia777 · Dec 2, 2018

Sabertooth said:
It is best for a Christian to do so, if they can, but sometimes they cannot, like shut-ins, for example.

I want to, but just don't know if I can, especially all the time and every single time...

I don't have a car or license either, (can't afford it any or either way either) (a car or vehicle) and not many of them are within a reasonable walking distance either... (and buses here don't run on the weekends, ect)...

God Bless!

Sabertooth · Dec 2, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
I don't have a car or license either, and not many of them are within a reasonable walking distance either...

Whenever I did not have a car, I always had a bicycle.

Neogaia777 · Dec 2, 2018

Sabertooth said:
Whenever I did not have a car, I always had a bicycle.

Going to get one soon... (it's on my list)...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Dec 2, 2018

Sabertooth said:
Whenever I did not have a car, I always had a bicycle.

It's just also that, sometimes I really don't get, or understand maybe, the point of even going sometimes... I mean I listen to and watch a lot of sermons on radio/online/TV ect on a daily basis, and to go to a specific place just to hear another one...? Sometimes I think I am either not understanding and/or missing the point or whatever sometimes...?

What is the point after all...?

I still have the want to go and feel the need to go regardless... But, it's not like I even want to do a whole lot of socializing or whatever either or anyway... And the kind and type of socializing they do or want to do and/or talk about or whatever, before and afterwards, isn't my kind of socializing...

As many of them like to talk about "worldly stuff" that I'm not even much a part of anymore, nor am interested in at all anymore much anymore either, and that's even assuming any of them even want to really socialize with a loner or lone wolf like me either...

I just feel like many of them are not really there to talk about Jesus and/or really truly fellowship with Jesus much of the time either...

And I don't like how they form their own little clicks and groups like we were or are all in high school or something... Then, there is the problem with my own keeping my mouth shut when I see and notice these things as well...

I want to go but I don't...

I've tried a few times recently, and in more than a few of them, no one even came up to me and/or even tried to approach me and/or speak to me, not that I really want them to sometimes anyway, but it just doesn't seem very "Christ-like" or "Christian of them"...

For not any of them to "even greet" a newcomer who is just standing in among them by themselves trying to look comfortable and OK, being all by themselves, not talking to and/or with anybody else, ect...?

It's was like I was invisible, and most of them just formed into they're little groups, ect, either didn't or acted like they didn't even see me, ect...

Please tell me the point of even going under these circumstances and in this position please...?

Any good reason will do...?

I suppose I could do it for God, but I get plenty of Him at home anyway, and as it is...?

God Bless!

messianist · Dec 2, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
I have a lot of peace (now) but I find I have to isolate myself much of the time to have it...? (I'm single, live alone, and do not work)... I spend a great deal of my time alone in my apartment... But I have peace most of the time, if only because of that...

This is also due to some "problems" (mental health issues) I have as well though... My mental health issues make it difficult for me to be a normal part of society, including church much of the time, for the most part...

God Bless!

Ok, I think if certain people are affecting peoples peace, the best thing to do is avoid them, but I would say we can't avoid all things he put in front of us that helps us grow, in my experience if he puts something in front of me and I try and avoid it he will most certainly put the same circumstance in front of me again.

Another aspect to look at does your life and your experiences line up with his revealed will.

Neogaia777 · Dec 2, 2018

messianist said:
Ok, I think if certain people are affecting peoples peace, the best thing to do is avoid them, but I would say we can't avoid all things he put in front of us that helps us grow, in my experience if he puts something in front of me and I try and avoid it he will most certainly put the same circumstance in front of me again.

Another aspect to look at does your life and your experiences line up with his revealed will.

As it is being revealed to me, yes...

But I do get your point that we do sometimes have to be willing to deal with what may be uncomfortable to grow sometimes... I do realize that...

I just don't get the point sometimes, like I described in detail in my post before this one, post #24...?

I am really trying to come up with a good reason that would make choose to go and deal with what may be a little uncomfortable for me, cause I would need a good enough reason to do that...? It would be kind of stupid and dumb of me to do it for "no reason and/or point" for it, or to it at all...

I just feel like I don't "belong" there most of the time, and I definitely feel like I don't "fit it" with most of them, most of the time either, and I just can't seem to shake that feeling...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Dec 2, 2018

If you want, we can get back to the OP of what makes or doesn't make a true Christian or not...? And if a true Christian has to go to or belong to a, or any kind of church or not...? if any of you want to...?

God Bless!

Sabertooth · Dec 2, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
Please tell me the point of even going under these circumstances and in this position please...?

Any good reason will do...?

I'm autistic so my first reason to go is because a particular church's teachings are cutting edge and challenge me to step out in ways that I wouldn't have quickly figured out for myself. (That's the purpose of the Five-fold ministries and they aren't present in my solitary life.)
I connect with others who seek out that kind of church.
In my church, we don't just encourage each other to live for Jesus. We actually all minister to each other, not just the leadership. (Pray for each other, etc.) It is known as "Everybody plays."

Once you get your bicycle, you should check out different churches for #1. #2 won't be too far behind. None of these can happen when you are just by yourself.

#3 is what happens at Vineyard churches.

messianist · Dec 2, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
As it is being revealed to me, yes...

But I do get your point that we do sometimes have to be willing to deal with what may be uncomfortable to grow sometimes... I do realize that...

I just don't get the point sometimes, like I described in detail in my post before this one, post #24...?

I am really trying to come up with a good reason that would make choose to go and deal with what may be a little uncomfortable for me, cause I would need a good enough reason to do that...? It would be kind of stupid and dumb of me to do it for "no reason and/or point" for it, or to it at all...

God Bless!

I know exactly what you're talking about Sunday Christians, as one of the professional footballer's ones said about a vast majority in their world Monday to Friday players.

We are the church his people, he says
Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

It's difficult to have fellowship because most people believe fellowship is meeting with other Christians and talking about anything, but in fact, it's talking about his word and his word only is true fellowship.

There are around 46 thousand denominations all believe they have the truth,

Yahshua saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Neogaia777 · Dec 2, 2018

Sabertooth said:
I'm autistic so my first reason to go is because a particular church's teachings are cutting edge and challenge me to step out in ways that I wouldn't have quickly figured out for myself. (That's the purpose of the Five-fold ministries and they aren't present in my solitary life.)

I connect with others who seek out that kind of church.

In my church, we don't just encourage each other to live for Jesus. We actually all minister to each other, not just the leadership. (Pray for each other, etc.) It is known as "Everybody plays."

Once you get your bicycle, you should check out different churches for #1. #2 won't be too far behind. None of these can happen when you are just by yourself.

#3 is what happens at Vineyard churches.

Thanks, I'll consider it... Thank You, really...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Dec 2, 2018

messianist said:
I know exactly what you're talking about Sunday Christians, as one of the professional footballer's ones said about a vast majority in their world Monday to Friday players.

We are the church his people, he says
Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

It's difficult to have fellowship because most people believe fellowship is meeting with other Christians and talking about anything, but in fact, it's talking about his word and his word only is true fellowship.

There are around 46 thousand denominations all believe they have the truth,

Yahshua saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Thanks, but that doesn't exactly make me want to go to a Church...

I am highly aware of what you are saying and that is part of the problem...

God Bless!

bcbsr · Dec 2, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
I've heard a few people say now that, "going to (a) church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in garage makes you a car"...

So, If going to (a) church doesn't make you a Christian, then what does...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

"you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance " Eph 1:13,14

Is about faith, not attendance.

messianist · Dec 2, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
Thanks, but that doesn't exactly make me want to go to a Church...

I am highly aware of what you are saying and that is part of the problem...

God Bless!

AS I stated in other posts church is not a place you attend.

Every Blessing

Neostarwcc · Dec 2, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
I've heard a few people say now that, "going to (a) church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in garage makes you a car"...

So, If going to (a) church doesn't make you a Christian, then what does...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Going to church is important but not everybody can go to church. Many Christians don't have very many good churches in their area or they don't have a car to drive there. I personally do not go to church because I don't have a car and I weigh over 300 lbs so walking is out plus it's winter time. I realize that those are excuses but... Yeah...

If I was Catholic I could go to church with my mom and Grandmother but I don't believe in 99% of the Catholic doctrine. Especially purgatory.

So what makes a Christian a Christian? One who has faith in Jesus and fully trusts Jesus as their Lord and Savior. If you have saving faith than you are a Christian.

Toro · Dec 2, 2018

A relationship to Christ the song of God is what makes one a Christian.

Going to church, reading scriptures, good deeds....

None of that means anything, the Pharisees knew the scriptures. They knew how to have the external image of righteousness... and yet THEY were the ones that Christ had the harshest of words for.

Jesus even said unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees you will not enter the Kingdom.

If you have relationship to Christ, you are a Christian.

blackhead · Dec 2, 2018

We are saved by grace through faith. We go to church because we ARE Christians not usually to become one. Salvation is based upon faith and not church attendance.

Strong in Him · Dec 2, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
I've heard a few people say now that, "going to (a) church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in garage makes you a car"...

Correct.
You may hear the Gospel for the first time in church. You may come to really understand it, or learn about a relationship with God and eternal life, by going to church. But just turning up to church week by week, does not make you a Christian nor guarantee that you are one.

Jesus is the only way to God, John 14:6, and giver of eternal life, John 3:16, John 3:36, not church.

MelissaC · Dec 2, 2018

What makes someone a Christian? Repentance and trusting in Jesus, and Jesus alone.

RDKirk · Dec 2, 2018

Toro said:
A relationship to Christ the song of God is what makes one a Christian.

Going to church, reading scriptures, good deeds....

None of that means anything,

That seems to be at odds with James.

Also at odds with 1 Peter, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Ephesians, Acts, Matthew, Luke, and John. They seemed to think that having a "relationship to Christ" would include fellowship, knowing scripture, and taking physical care of one another.

Although...what do you mean by "relationship to Christ?"

Satan has a "relationship to Christ."

The "relationship to Christ" that a Christian should have is one of obedience, and He commanded us to love one another.

Danielwright2311 · Dec 2, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
I've heard a few people say now that, "going to (a) church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in garage makes you a car"...

So, If going to (a) church doesn't make you a Christian, then what does...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Are you Christ like? its a easy answer but most do not see it as there are a lot of fake pretend Christians.

If you are like Jesus in love and compassion and forgiveness and belief then you are a Christian, Church has nothing to do with it.

If going to (a) church doesn't make you a Christian, then what does...?

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