2,300 evenings and mornings

Revealing Times said:

You don't get it, there is a SEVEN HEADED BEAST that Arises out of the Sea...When Rome FELL it was a 6 Headed Beast....it can only arise again when THIS MAN Conquers Jerusalem. BEAST reemerges. The 7th Head makes the BEAST SYSTEM come alive again.

Click to expand...

In Revelation 12, 13, 17, the beast has 7 heads. There is no beast with 6 heads in Revelation in the text.

So it has nothing to do with Rome falling from the zenith of its power.

In Revelation 17, none of the heads have crowns - in spite of the fact that the 6th king was ruling at the time of John.
_____________________________________________________________

Revelation 17 - the heads do not have crowns, at the time of John, because completion of the vision is not until the end times, right before the 7 years begin.

Revelation 12 - the heads have crowns because the vision of the 7 kings has been completed as the 7 years are about to begin. King 7 has come to power.
The 7 years are found in Revelation 12.

Revelation 13 - the heads do not have crowns, and one head mortally wounded but is healed to become the 8th king. The vision of the 7 kings of over.
With 42 months left in the 7 years, Revelation 13:5.

Douggg said:

Revelation 12 - the heads have crowns because the vision of the 7 kings has been completed as the 7 years are about to begin. King 7 has come to power.
The 7 years are found in Revelation 12.

Click to expand...

I don't see this making much sense if Revelation 12:2-4 is meaning around the time of Jesus' birth, as is the typical conclusion most seem to come to here.

Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Notice that it is during the time of verse 2 and 4, that this wonder in heaven in verse 3 is seen.

DavidPT said:

I don't see this making much sense if Revelation 12:2-4 is meaning around the time of Jesus' birth, as is the typical conclusion most seem to come to here.

Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Notice that it is during the time of verse 2 and 4, that this wonder in heaven in verse 3 is seen.

Click to expand...

David, verses 1-5 are an introduction to identify the woman in the rest of chapter 12 as Israel. Those take place at the time Jesus was born. Then crucified, resurrected, and ascended to heaven, to the throne of God.

All of chapter 12 is a new vision that John sees while he is in heaven being shown what takes place during the 7 years in chapters 6-19, picking up from what he had been shown in chapter 11. Not that the 1260 days and the time, times, half time take place in heaven.

Douggg said:

Each head is a man tied to the beast's past. The beast is a man.

Click to expand...

You are off kilter here, it's a FIGURATIVE BEAST made up of SEVEN HEADS....It can be seen as a real Beast as per who Satan/Apollyon is over, but each Kingdom was a Beast unto themselves. So of course it had a man that started each Kingdom and one that was at the helm when each Kingdom lost Dominion. Each of these Kingdoms thus was no men per se, but a collective of men who passed their kingdoms down.

The Last Beast Head/Man of Sin will be different in that he will have no successor nor will any other man take over his Kingdom, this Man of Sin will be cast straight into hell and never see the grave.

Douggg said:

Saying "beast man" for each head - changes the vision to making each head an individual beast - to total 8 beasts, which is never said anywhere in the text.

Of the 8 kings, the beast is the eighth king.

Click to expand...

They were MEN..........that is who rules Kingdoms, men. They were each individual Beasts, Daniel saw a Beast like unto Lion etc. etc.

The 8th King is a Demon named Aollyon, that is why thee is only 7 heads.

Douggg said:

I highlighted part of your text, RT. You are making an error in grammar, that alters the meaning of the vision.

Click to expand...

No I am not....there was all Beasts and they are HEADS HERE to the Main Beast shown collectively here. You don't get the symbolism.

Revealing Times said:

No I am not....there was all Beasts and they are HEADS HERE to the Main Beast shown collectively here. You don't get the symbolism.

Click to expand...

How many beasts have you seen that were just a head ?

Okay, lets put it in something that maybe you can grasp. A horse has four legs. Are each of those four legs - a horse?

It should be pointed out that most Bible scholars ie intellectuals believe Daniel 8 has NOTHING to do with Rome or AD 70 but EVERTHING to do with the events of the 2nd century BC in which the Jews were persecuted by Antiochus Epiphanes IV. EVEN Bible sceptic BART EHRMAN believes Dan 8 is referring to Antiochus(!) Even the sceptical ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA believes Dan 8 is referring to Antiochus. Even the Bible course by the sceptical YALE UNIVERSITY says the little horn in Dan 8 is Antiochus. If even agnostics and atheists can get this right - why can't you socalled "Christians"? Of course - unlike those of us who believe in Bible prophecy - neither Bart Ehrman or the Brittanica or Yale believe the book of Daniel predicted the coming of Antiochus 300 years before he was born;-) As for the 2300 evenings and mornings the original Hebrew says "evening mornings 2300" which certainly gives the impression of "days" - if it was regarding animal sacrifices it would have said "evening AND mornings".