Was 1948 the Regathering of Israel in Bible Prophecy?
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How am I elite? By affirming Israel is God's chosen nation, given sonship among the nations? If repeating that truth is elitism, guilty as charged.
I'd be curious why that disturbs you so much. Is it an anti-Israel thing?
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There's only one Chosen Nation.
Matthew 21
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
1 Peter 2
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.
It is His Church, the Israel of God. (Galatians 6:16)
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If you really think that God will redeem the citizens of the State of Israel, who are 50% atheists and the rest a mish-mash of Judaism, LBGT and Muslim, then you have a very wrong belief of the teachings of Jesus.
The New Testament sequence is plain: the Jews had the opportunity to keep the Kingdom, but they rejected and killed Jesus. The parable of the Landowner, Matthew 21:33-43, is just what happened then and the result is the Kingdom was taken from them.
It now belongs to the nation [peoples] who bear the proper fruit; that is: every faithful, born again Christian from every tribe, race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10
It is total unbiblical nonsense to say that the Jews have any kind of special place with God. Many prophesies tell of their Judgement and virtual demise.
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Mat 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality.
Act 10:35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.
Rom_2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "AND TO YOUR SEED," who is Christ.
1Ti_1:4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.
Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
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Since its beginnings, dispensationalism has incessantly and loudly proclaimed that it is Israel that is the fulfillment and heir of a vast array of God's promises and bequests. One need only read and hear a small fraction of dispensationalism's prodigious prophetic output to recognize that Israel is the chief cornerstone in the foundation of the dispensational prophetic edifice.
Consequently, not even Christ Himself is permitted to replace Israel as the anointed recipient of that which dispensationalism believes it is entitled to. In any and every instance whenever it appears that Israel's entitlements are being questioned, charges such as “calling God a liar”, “anti-Semitic”, "evil", "heretical", and various other epithets are directed at the perceived offender. It is the equivalent of identity politics within the church of God. Thus Christ is denied His own entire, rightful, and exclusive entitlements as Fulfillment and Heir of all of God's promises and bequests.
The reason is self-evident. Israel's removal as the anointed recipient is the equivalent of the removal of dispensationalism's chief cornerstone, and the consequent and unavoidable collapse of the edifice which it supports. The result is effectively dispensational detonation, and the disappearance of a pervasive, not to mention lucrative, presence and influence within the Church.
But Scripture is unequivocal in its declarations, notwithstanding the denials directed at it.
Revelation 19:10
“...the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy”
Israel does not substitute for Jesus.
Jesus declares Himself to be the Fulfillment of all things concerning Himself.
Luke 24:44
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Other Scriptures confirm His declaration, and further declare Him as Heir of all things.
2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
There is no substitute for “all”.
In summation of which, Scripture declares:
Colossians 3:11
“...Christ is all, and in all”
Notice that Israel is conspicuous by its absence in the foregoing declarations.
The reason: It's not about Israel at all.
It's all about Him.
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It's not hard to believe, it's right there in the Bible. All those Israelites who did not take the mark and survived the tribulation will be saved. All of Israel will be saved (I know that kills you). Maybe you wouldn't save them if you were God, but thankfully you're not.
Your reasoning seems to be that since some Jews are atheist, not Jews will ever convert and accept Christ as their Messiah. That's is just plain strange, a theological nightmare.
I can imagine your anger on judgment day when all those Jews, whom you thought were beyond reach, get redeemed. Hopefully, you'll have come to your senses by then.
And if you miss the rapture, I wonder if you'll listen to the 144 thousands witnesses. Or will you resent them and harden your heart?
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Did you notice the two Israeli Christians in the video?
They are from a Bible college located in central Israel, made up of believers from all races of people.
The name of the college is "One For Israel".
How can the video be "anti-Israel", when it features Israeli Christians?
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The Church and the 144,000
Revelation 7:3-4 describe the 144,000 as “sealed.” That description is reserved in the NT for believers in Christ – His Body and Bride – the Church:
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.
Ephesians 1:13
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
The Revelation 7 passage is therefore conveying the insight that the OT Israelitish faithful saints of God are included under the NT banner of the Church. This is further confirmed by the meanings of the names of the listed tribes and substitutes (Levi and Joseph replacing Dan and Ephraim), describing spiritual qualities and experiences of those who comprise the Church:
- Judah means “praise” (Gen 29:35)
- Reuben means “see, a Son” (Gen 29:32)
- Gad means “fortunate” (Gen 30:11)
- Asher means “happy” (Gen 30:13)
- Naphtali means “wrestling” (Gen 30:8)
- Manasseh means “forgetting” (Gen 41:51)
- Simeon means “heard” (Gen 29:33)
- Levi means “attached” (Gen 29:34)
- Issachar means “wages” (Gen 30:18)
- Zebulon means “dwelling” (Gen 30:20)
- Joseph means “He will add” (Gen 30:24)
- Benjamin means “Son of the right hand” (Gen 35:17–18)
While rebellion and apostasy were repetitive afflictions of the OT Israelites, there were still thousands who remained faithful (1 Kings 19:18). Their number is depicted as 12, a scriptural value representing faithfulness; multiplied by 12, representing the faithful from each of the twelve tribes; multiplied by 1,000 representing the indeterminate but large number (Psalms 50:10; Psalms 91:7; Revelation 5:11) of the total faithful in Israel; thus, 144,000.
Revelation 14 continues the descriptions further reflecting the qualities and experiences of the redeemed – the Church. Absent here is any mention of tribal, ethnic, or other distinctions, thus conveying the reality of the inclusivity and oneness of the NT Church which now embraces both Israelite and Gentile. Its number can also be depicted as 12, representing faithfulness; multipled by 12 representing the 12 faithful apostles, who with the prophets comprise the foundation of the NT church, with Christ as the Chief Cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20); multiplied by 1,000 representing the indeterminate but large number of the total faithful in the NT Church; thus, also 144,000.
The NT Church's inclusivity and oneness are declared in the following:
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:14
For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall…
Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
The 144,00 are described as celibate, meaning that as the Bride of Christ, they are not defiled by adultery with the world (James 4:4). They sing a new song of deliverance and victory. They follow Christ wherever He goes. Their residence is heavenly Jerusalem on Mount Zion. (Hebrews 12:22)
No doubt about it…the Church is written all over the 144,000
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Unwittingly, he contradicted himself in his own post once more - which is it "the geneology of Jesus Christ" - or "avoid geneologies"?
Fact of the matter is that what Paul was talking about was about people attempting to WRONGLY lord over others based on the fact of their OWN geneology.
Which is not what the Dispensationalist is doing, no matter how often its' enemies hurl their false charge.
Rom. 5:6-8.
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Good points. I can live with replacement theology (agree to disagree), but when they start getting into denying the existence of the Jewish race and the nation of Israel, it's gets a little hateful and antisemitic.
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You know, jgr, BaB and others who refute the 'rapture to heaven', it is a worry that those whose beliefs are challenged are driven to make accusations like; we hate Israel, we just can't see what they do, we will be left behind, etc.
We then post scriptural proofs of what God actually does plan for His faithful Christian people.
This, unfortunately, drives them to make personal attacks on our integrity and very unchristian remarks, which may redound badly for them in the future.
It is surely a sad state of affairs when Christians cannot agree on what the Prophets said. This is particularly evident with the 'rapture' camp. They have argued for over 100 years on whether it will happen pre, mid or post tribulation, enough to just throw the whole idea into the bin, where it belongs.
We WILL be here during all the end times events; You have ears; so hear this:
Whoever is to be made prisoner, to prison he shall go, Whoever is to be slain by the sword, by the sword he must be slain.
This calls for the endurance and faithfulness of God's people. Revelation 13:9-10
We then post scriptural proofs of what God actually does plan for His faithful Christian people.
This, unfortunately, drives them to make personal attacks on our integrity and very unchristian remarks, which may redound badly for them in the future.
It is surely a sad state of affairs when Christians cannot agree on what the Prophets said. This is particularly evident with the 'rapture' camp. They have argued for over 100 years on whether it will happen pre, mid or post tribulation, enough to just throw the whole idea into the bin, where it belongs.
We WILL be here during all the end times events; You have ears; so hear this:
Whoever is to be made prisoner, to prison he shall go, Whoever is to be slain by the sword, by the sword he must be slain.
This calls for the endurance and faithfulness of God's people. Revelation 13:9-10
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What does a Christian from a Jewish background think about your Two Peoples of God doctrine?
Do you think he is an "antisemite"?
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God created genetics.
God created mathematics.
The Jewish religiocultural community agrees with their evidence about the Jewish race.
Why don't you?
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I wish you guys posted biblical arguments. All I hear is science, DNA, culture, etc. Or they post endless scripture with no explanation that actually refutes their points.
And BTW, I don't believe those who disagree with dispensationalism are antisemitic. Replacement theology isn't that in and if itself. It's the jewish race denial Israel denial nonsense that's setting you guys apart. It's embarrassing.
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You have replaced the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16.
You have replaced the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8.
You have replaced the word "so", with the word "then" in Romans 11:26.
You have replaced the covenant fulfilled for all races of people at Calvary, with a future covenant for the modern State of Israel in Romans 11:27.
Dispensationalists have turned "Replacement Theology" into a science.
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