End times are terrifying

mkgal1 · Nov 30, 2018

blackhead said:
God is going to destroy the world by fire.

Take notice of most - if not ALL - references to "fire" in the Bible. From what I see - it's symbolic of God's presence. He doesn't "destroy" US (or any people) by fire - it's SIN/Evil (or, in some passages, the old covenant/temple system) that's destroyed by fire. Here are a few passages:

Zechariah 13:9 ~ And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call upon my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people’; and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”

Malachi 3:3 ~ For he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap. He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the Lord.

Matthew 3:11 ~ He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Exodus 3:2 ~ And the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush was burning, yet it was not consumed.

Psalm 66:10 ~ For You, O God, have tested us; You have refined us like silver.

1 Corinthians 3:15 ~ If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

blackhead · Nov 30, 2018

JackRT said:
It was about 50 years ago that I completed my university training (BSc, MSc, BEd) and I do not recall even a single comment promoting homosexuality --- quite the opposite in fact. I was a Christian then and remain a Christian today.

So, what is the source of your brainwashing?

God’s Word.

blackhead · Nov 30, 2018

JackRT said:
It was about 50 years ago that I completed my university training (BSc, MSc, BEd) and I do not recall even a single comment promoting homosexuality --- quite the opposite in fact. I was a Christian then and remain a Christian today.

So, what is the source of your brainwashing?

A true Christian wouldn’t promote the gay agenda.

parousia70 · Nov 30, 2018

blackhead said:
No but a lot of ignorant youth are.

How can you be so sure you aren't?

I mean if the gay is so easily infected on otherwise hetero folks, what makes you immune?

I'm also curious, When did you choose to be straight?

blackhead · Nov 30, 2018

parousia70 said:
How can you be so sure you aren't?

I mean if the gay is so easily infected on otherwise hetero folks, what makes you immune?

I'm also curious, When did you choose to be straight?

I’ve always been straight. I was raised a Christian though believing homosexuality is sinful activity.

mkgal1 · Nov 30, 2018

JackRT said:
OK,it seems that you are saying that Satan wasn't really defeated but only suffered a minor setback.

No....that's not really what I'm saying.

God's mission (I believe, from Scripture) was to destroy "the power of death" and restore humanity back to "life" - and I believe He accomplished that on the cross.

Hebrews 2:14 ~ Therefore, since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity, so that by His death He might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is, the devil.

1 Corinthians 15:54 ~ When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

1 John 2:25 ~ And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life.

John 1:29 ~ “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

blackhead · Nov 30, 2018

mkgal1 said:
Take notice of most - if not ALL - references to "fire" in the Bible. From what I see - it's symbolic of God's presence. He doesn't "destroy" US (or any people) by fire - it's SIN/Evil (or, in some passages, the old covenant/temple system) that's destroyed by fire. Here are a few passages:

Zechariah 13:9 ~ And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call upon my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people’; and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”

Malachi 3:3 ~ For he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap. He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the Lord.

Matthew 3:11 ~ He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Exodus 3:2 ~ And the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush was burning, yet it was not consumed.

Psalm 66:10 ~ For You, O God, have tested us; You have refined us like silver.

1 Corinthians 3:15 ~ If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

2 Peter 3

It’s not symbolic.

mkgal1 · Nov 30, 2018

blackhead said:
2 Peter 3

It’s not symbolic.

I agree that it's not symbolic.

That's the old covenant - the temple system that was burned and destroyed with fire (for the sake of humanity and creation). God isn't a destroyer - He is a "refiner" and "restorer".

Quoting David Curtis =
2 Peter 3:10 (NKJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

If we give a wrong meaning to 'elements' or 'heaven and earth' we will totally miss Peter's meaning. The Greek word for elements is stoicheia. It is only used seven times in the NT. The biblical meaning of elements is the elements of religious training, or the ceremonial precepts that are common to the worship of Jews. And the idea of heaven and earth in the Hebraic thought referred to "authority and peoples." What Peter is saying is that Judaism and the Old Covenant Law are about to pass away being replaced with the New Covenant and all its blessings. If we are going to understand the Bible we must determine carefully the meaning of words. ~Berean Bible Church: Rightly Dividing the Word - 2 Timothy 2:15

https://www.amazon.com/Elements-Shall-Melt-Fervent-Heat/dp/1937501078

parousia70 · Nov 30, 2018

blackhead said:
I’ve always been straight.

I see, so sexual orientation, at least for you, was not a choice then.

I can't help but wonder why you think its a choice for anyone else tho...?
I mean, I personally have no idea why anyone would choose to be gay... what do you think people see as the upside? (besides superior interior decoration abilities)

I was raised a Christian though believing homosexuality is sinful activity.

Ok, thanks for the clarification.
So it's not simply being gay that you believe is sinful, it's the participation in the act?

So Celibate Homosexuals are A-OK in your book then?

blackhead · Nov 30, 2018

parousia70 said:
I see, so sexual orientation, at least for you, was not a choice then.

Of coarse it’s a choice, don’t be silly.

blackhead · Nov 30, 2018

parousia70 said:
Ok, thanks for the clarification.
So it's not simply being gay that you believe is sinful, it's the participation in the act?

So Celibate Homosexuals are A-OK in your book then?

No I believe being gay is sinful as well as participation in the act.

Calminian · Nov 30, 2018

blackhead said:
No I believe being gay is sinful as well as participation in the act.

Who is your authority on this topic?

parousia70 · Nov 30, 2018

blackhead said:
Of coarse it’s a choice, don’t be silly.

If its a choice, how could you have always been straight then?

Again I'll ask, When did you choose to be straight, if as you say, its silly to think its not a choice?

parousia70 · Nov 30, 2018

blackhead said:
No I believe being gay is sinful as well as participation in the act.

Where is that taught? it certainly is not taught in scripture.

And what about Jesus?
Which do you believe He was? Gay or Straight?
Scripture is silent on the matter.

Calminian · Nov 30, 2018

blackhead said:
I’ve always been straight. I was raised a Christian though believing homosexuality is sinful activity.

It's beyond personal feelings and actions though. The judgment of God comes upon those to do and also on those who give approval, Romans 1:32.

Today's culture has condoned these acts, and now many in the Church are trusting the culture instead of God. Even those not affected by these temptations give approval to those that are. In God's eyes, they are just as wrong as the doers.

parousia70 · Nov 30, 2018

mkgal1 said:
I agree that it's not symbolic.

That's the old covenant - the temple system that was burned and destroyed with fire (for the sake of humanity and creation). God isn't a destroyer - He is a "refiner" and "restorer".

Quoting David Curtis =
2 Peter 3:10 (NKJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

If we give a wrong meaning to 'elements' or 'heaven and earth' we will totally miss Peter's meaning. The Greek word for elements is stoicheia. It is only used seven times in the NT. The biblical meaning of elements is the elements of religious training, or the ceremonial precepts that are common to the worship of Jews. And the idea of heaven and earth in the Hebraic thought referred to "authority and peoples." What Peter is saying is that Judaism and the Old Covenant Law are about to pass away being replaced with the New Covenant and all its blessings. If we are going to understand the Bible we must determine carefully the meaning of words. ~Berean Bible Church: Rightly Dividing the Word - 2 Timothy 2:15

https://www.amazon.com/Elements-Shall-Melt-Fervent-Heat/dp/1937501078

Indeed, Both the "elements": (stoicheia), ie: the first princliples and oracles of God (Hebrews 5:12) and the "Heavens and Earth" that God Planted AFTER He brought the Hebrew people out of Egypt and gave them the Law (Isaiah 51:16) LITERALLY melted with fervent heat in AD 70 when the temple was burned and dismantled stone by stone (Matthew 24:2). This Happened When the Lord of the Vineyard came and was the Stone that Crushed those wicked men to powder, removing the Kingdom from them, and leasing it to a New Nation, exactly as prophesied (Matthew 21:40-45)

It was not symbolic.

parousia70 · Nov 30, 2018

Calminian said:
It's beyond personal feelings and actions though. The judgment of God comes upon those to do and also on those who give approval, Romans 1:32.

Today's culture has condoned these acts, and now many in the Church are trusting the culture instead of God. Even those not affected by these temptations give approval to those that are. In God's eyes, they are just as wrong as the doers.

The Sin of Lying, the Sin of coveting your neighbor's property, the Sin of eating too much, the sin of Greed, and the sin of drunkenness, FAR MORE RAMPANT and CONDONED today than the Sin of Homosexuality, Land the unrepentant sinner in EXACTLY the same lake of fire as the Unrepentant Homosexual, indeed in EXPONENTIALLY greater numbers, do they not?

Where then is the outcry against the "Agenda of the Fox Business News Greedy" then?

Where is the Rallying cry against the "Agenda of the Food Network"

Where is the Righteous admonition against the "Agenda of Napa Valley" or "Lynchburg Virginia"?

Calminian · Nov 30, 2018

parousia70 said:
The Sin of Lying, the Sin of coveting your neighbor's property, the Sin of eating too much, the sin of Greed, and the sin of drunkenness, FAR MORE RAMPANT and CONDONED today than the Sin of Homosexuality, Land the unrepentant sinner in EXACTLY the same lake of fire as the Unrepentant Homosexual, indeed in EXPONENTIALLY greater numbers, do they not?

Where then is the outcry against the "Agenda of the Fox Business News Greedy" then?

I have no idea what you're referring to. I'm merely saying homosexuality is a sin, and not participating but condoning it is also a sin. Never once said it's the only sin, nor the only sin we should speak out against (though I don't agree that capitalism is a sin).

blackhead · Nov 30, 2018

parousia70 said:
If its a choice, how could you have always been straight then?

Again I'll ask, When did you choose to be straight, if as you say, its silly to think its not a choice?

It’s a choice. I was raised to be straight. Homosexuality wasn’t an option when I was a kid. There were no homosexuals at school. The liberals hadn’t begun pushing their agenda.

keras · Nov 30, 2018

JacksBratt said:
Jesus compares the end times with:
The days of Noah and
The time of Sodom and Gomorrah.

The bible does not compare the end times with that of Moses and the exodus.

So... by deduction... on a very primitive comparison... God removed Noah from the flood so that he and his family avoided being present during the destruction.
Also, with Lot, God sent angels to remove him and his family from the destruction.

In either case... God did not allow the subjects to be at the place of the destruction and judgement, while supernaturally keeping them from harm.

He removed them... once by an ark...or boat... and secondly by taking Lot out of the area..

This is a parallel that we can hope for with the rapture of the church that would remove us from the place where the destruction and judgement will take place... while we are safe.

God does not need to remove anyone from where His Judgement takes place.
Many prophesies tell how He will protect His own during His wrath. Isaiah 43:2, Isaiah 41:13, Psalms 91, +
The precedent for protection from fire is in Daniel 3:19-27.

The theory of a 'rapture' is a presumptuous and very selfish one. It isn't actually stated in the Bible and must be construed by assumption and conjecture.
So please, Jack, when promoting the 'rapture' idea, either provide proof for it or call it what it is; a theory, unsubstantiated and unproven.

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