God's creation Timeline refutes evolution

Astrophile · Nov 23, 2018

Aman777 said:
Sure. Astronomers May Have Found the First Stars Born After the Big Bang
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/.../first-stars-universe-big-bang-edges-space-scie.. Feb 28, 2018 - Now, scientists peering back into deep time suggest that the earliest stars didn't turn on until about 180 million years after the big bang,

Thank-you. This is very interesting; if it is correct, it sets the formation of the first stars to an earlier time, and a larger redshift, than I had thought.

Aman777 said:
Amen, our Solar System did not form until some 9 billion years AFTER the first Stars lit up 13.8 billion years ago.
https://www.space.com › Skywatching Jun 16, 2017 - The universe was born with the Big Bang as an unimaginably hot, dense point. ... During this period, the universe doubled in size at least 90 times, ... A little after 9 billion years after the Big Bang, our solar system was born.

Again, thank-you. I am glad that we agree on this point at least.

Aman777 · Nov 24, 2018

Astrophile said:
Thank-you. This is very interesting; if it is correct, it sets the formation of the first stars to an earlier time, and a larger redshift, than I had thought.

Again, thank-you. I am glad that we agree on this point at least.

Thanks, but one of my opponents led me to this constantly changing information. His view was that the first Stars appeared quickly but needed to collect enough dust and gas in order reach a size which lights up. When I first started, the dating was less that 1 billion years, then 560 million years and today 180 million years AFTER the big bang. IOW, You were correct just a little while ago.

RealityCheck01 · Nov 26, 2018

Aman777 said:
The beginning of the present universe was on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4....

You did not answer my actual questions:

Where in Scripture, science or history is a time before the first day given a date of 23 billion years ago, Aman777?
What happened to the 1st day of Genesis and its date, Aman777?
Where in Scripture, science or history is the 2nd day of Genesis given a date of 17 Billion years ago, Aman777?

You still make God destroy the entire contents of the universe in the Big Bang. Your story destroys Adam's Earth in the Big Bang. Your story murders Adam and/or Eve and/or their descendants. That makes the rest of your story into a fantasy about Adam's Earth and their descendants which would not have existed :doh:

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Aman777 · Nov 27, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
Where in Scripture, science or history is a time before the first day given a date of 23 billion years ago, Aman777?

In order to understand God's Days/Ages you MUST be born again and receive the Holy Spirit inside you to help you understand the Spiritual. The dating is approximate since we know the time of the Big Bang (13.8 billion years ago) and we also know that we live today on the present 6th Day. Genesis 1:27 Divide 3 of God's Days into 13.8 billion years ago, round it off and it comes out to 4.5 billion years, in man's time, for each of God's Days/Ages. Add 9 billion years (2 Days) to 13.8 and it equals some 23 billion years, in man's time, give or take a few million years.

RealityCheck01 said:
What happened to the 1st day of Genesis and its date, Aman777?

Jesus spent the first Day with God and told us about it just before His crucifixion.
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.

Since Adam's firmament/world was made the SECOND Day Genesis 1:6-8 the only Day Jesus could have spent with the Father, with His Glory or Brightness, (a physical trait) could have only been the FIRST Day. See how simple?

RealityCheck01 said:
Where in Scripture, science or history is the 2nd day of Genesis given a date of 17 Billion years ago, Aman777?

Again, it's an estimate based on the time from Big Bang until today. If the dating holds to the dating since the BB until today, it was actually 18.3 Billion years ago, in man's time. Just add 4.5 billion years to the date of the Big Bang.

RealityCheck01 said:
You still make God destroy the entire contents of the universe in the Big Bang. Your story destroys Adam's Earth in the Big Bang. Your story murders Adam and/or Eve and/or their descendants. That makes the rest of your story into a fantasy about Adam's Earth and their descendants which would not have existed

No so, since Noah and his children were saved. Noah's father, Lemech lived for 777 years and died. Gen 5:31 Noah was 500 years old at the time Gen 5:32 and the flood destroyed Adam's Earth when Noah was 600 years old. Methushelah, Noah's grandfather and Lemech were already dead before the flood. IOW, the direct descendants of Adam either died or were on the Ark and NONE of them was killed by the flood. Only those who had already rejected God and His Truth died, exactly as it will be on our Earth soon, and they were lost. They had freely chosen their own fate, just as today's Humans do.

Also, the Big Bang was NOT on Adam's Earth, but in the present Universe. Adam's world was in the Water in the multiverse and we are in the ground without form in the multiverse. The inflation of our Universe within the dust had nothing to do with Adam's world which was made in the Water of the multiverse Genesis 1:6-8 and not the dust.

RealityCheck01 · Nov 27, 2018

Aman777 said:
In order to understand God's Days/Ages .....

A vague and sometimes irrelevant post is still no answer to my questions about your very specific numbers of 23 billion years and 17 billion years ago.

Your story still makes God destroy the entire contents of the universe including Adam's descendants in the Big Bang, 13.8 billion years ago. That makes Noah and his family impossible. Noah's ancestor were dead for 13 billon years before you think he arrived on Earth from another planet in a wooden "spacecraft" that was a submarine travelling through a your fairy story of a water filled universe. The Bible makes it clear the universe was not full of water before God created Man.

Aman777 · Nov 28, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
A vague and sometimes irrelevant post is still no answer to my questions about your very specific numbers of 23 billion years and 17 billion years ago.

Your story still makes God destroy the entire contents of the universe including Adam's descendants in the Big Bang, 13.8 billion years ago. That makes Noah and his family impossible. Noah's ancestor were dead for 13 billon years before you think he arrived on Earth from another planet in a wooden "spacecraft" that was a submarine travelling through a your fairy story of a water filled universe. The Bible makes it clear the universe was not full of water before God created Man.

Sorry, but you are totally confused. More study is indicated.

SpiritualBeing · Nov 28, 2018

I’m new to this thread. The Earth is not 6,000 years old. YEC’s change my mind.

Aman777 · Nov 28, 2018

SpiritualBeing said:
I’m new to this thread. The Earth is not 6,000 years old. YEC’s change my mind.

Young Earthers have told us the Truth for thousands of years by FAITH. Here is the Truth which cannot be refuted. God created a perfect Heaven and filled it with perfect people, made perfect in Christ, in 6 of His Days or Ages. God's work continues today at Genesis 1:27 since God is STILL creating Adam/mankind in Christ Spiritually.

What most people don't know is that Genesis 1:28-31 is prophecy of events which happen AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth. God has but 7 Days/Ages and the 7th is Eternity. Those who wish to be immortal and be among the living on the 7th Day MUST be born again today, while it remains the 6th Day, the Day of Salvation, according to Jesus. 2Co 6:2

SpiritualBeing · Nov 28, 2018

Aman777 said:
Young Earthers have told us the Truth for thousands of years by FAITH. Here is the Truth which cannot be refuted. God created a perfect Heaven and filled it with perfect people, made perfect in Christ, in 6 of His Days or Ages. God's work continues today at Genesis 1:27 since God is STILL creating Adam/mankind in Christ Spiritually.

What most people don't know is that Genesis 1:28-31 is prophecy of events which happen AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth. God has but 7 Days/Ages and the 7th is Eternity. Those who wish to be immortal and be among the living on the 7th Day MUST be born again today, while it remains the 6th Day, the Day of Salvation, according to Jesus. 2Co 6:2

Actually Young Earthers started their movement from the writing and research of Archbishop James Ussher in 1650, not from faith. Are you able to find any religious arguments for YEC prior to 1650?

Aman777 · Nov 28, 2018

SpiritualBeing said:
Actually Young Earthers started their movement from the writing and research of Archbishop James Ussher in 1650, not from faith. Are you able to find any religious arguments for YEC prior to 1650?

Sure, since the Jewish calendar is 5779. Ussher adopted a dating which was close to the Jewish dating. The dating is not scriptural since we still live on the present 6th Day at Genesis 1:27. God has but 7 Days and the 7th is Eternity.

SpiritualBeing · Nov 28, 2018

Aman777 said:
Sure, since the Jewish calendar is 5779. Ussher adopted a dating which was close to the Jewish dating. The dating is not scriptural since we still live on the present 6th Day at Genesis 1:27. God has but 7 Days and the 7th is Eternity.

Sure you can argue creation dating prior to 1650 but it did not become widely accepted and popular until after Ussher's specific chronology.

Aman777 · Nov 29, 2018

SpiritualBeing said:
Sure you can argue creation dating prior to 1650 but it did not become widely accepted and popular until after Ussher's specific chronology.

What really made Ussher's dating so popular was that it was placed in the margin of the King James Bible for 300 years until the 1950s. Many accepted that the dating was correct because it was in the Bible.

TLK Valentine · Nov 29, 2018

Aman777 said:
Sure, since the Jewish calendar is 5779. Ussher adopted a dating which was close to the Jewish dating. The dating is not scriptural since we still live on the present 6th Day at Genesis 1:27. God has but 7 Days and the 7th is Eternity.

The Jews got it wrong, Ussher got it wrong, you got it right.

That about it?

Aman777 · Nov 29, 2018

TLK Valentine said:
The Jews got it wrong, Ussher got it wrong, you got it right.

That about it?

Amen. It's what God told us thousands of years ago.

Dan 12:4 ¶ But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Only the Christians of the time of the end have the increased knowledge to understand the scientific Facts, shown in Genesis, which are just now being discovered. ALL flesh will believe because Science will confirm God's Truth in Genesis, soon.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

TLK Valentine · Nov 29, 2018

Aman777 said:
Only the Christians of the time of the end have the increased knowledge to understand the scientific Facts, shown in Genesis, which are just now being discovered. ALL flesh will believe because Science will confirm God's Truth in Genesis, soon./QUOTE]

And yet of all those Christians, none of them agree with you. Seems like being smarter isn't enough.

SkyWriting · Nov 30, 2018

Aman777 said:
Amen, BUT has God already rested or is His rest in the future? at the end of the present 6th Day/Age in God's 7 Day Creation. Notice in Genesis 2:2-3 that it repeats that God rests from "ALL" of His work on the 7th Day. IOW, God ceases or rests from ALL of His work of creating, which is necessary in order to be saved. Gen 1:26 Gen 5:1-2 and John 14:16 It takes the agreement of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to create a sinner in Christ Spiritually, Eternally. God Bless you

God is resting until judgment day. Everything till then was set up at the start to function as it does. Those saved are in the book of life....everything is settled until judgment day.

Aman777 · Nov 30, 2018

SkyWriting said:
God is resting until judgment day.

Will the perfect God rest or cease from ALL of His work until that work is finished or brought to perfection? Genesis 2:1 Or does it take the agreement of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to "create" a new creature in Christ as Genesis 1:26 Genesis 5:1-2 as John 14:16 clearly states?

Also, when in the past did Adam/mankind have dominion or rule over Angels, mosquitoes and every other living creature, as Genesis 1:28 states? Or when, in the past have Lions, Bears and every other living creature, been changed into Vegetarians as Genesis 1:30 states?

Those events at the end of the present 6th Day/Age are future to our time. They will happen after Jesus returns at the Rapture. We live today at Genesis 1:27 because God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is STILL creating new creatures in Christ. God will NOT rest or cease to create until His creation is finished/brought to perfection at the end of the present 6th Day Genesis 2:1 and filled with "ALL" of its host, which includes the last sinner to be saved, since Heaven would not be complete without them. Then and only then, God will cease to create because His perfect Heaven will finally be finished or brought to perfection and filled with ALL of His children. It's the only way a perfect God's works can conclude.

SkyWriting said:
Everything till then was set up at the start to function as it does.

What you have concluded is that God the Son has already rested and God the Holy Spirit has already rested from ALL of their work, since they are also God. God did not rest in the past according to Jesus who tells us:

Jhn 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, (up to the present time) and I work.

SkyWriting said:
Those saved are in the book of life....everything is settled until judgment day.

Because God knows who will be saved and written in the Book of Life at the end of time, does not override the FREE CHOICE of everyone to believe or reject the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. If it did, all of the misery, sickness and death of the creation would have been totally unnecessary.

The perfect God has but 7 Days/Ages and the 7th is Eternity. We live today at Genesis 1:27 and we will not advance to the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 until after Jesus returns for His own at the Rapture. That's God's Truth of Genesis but not according to mankind's ancient beliefs/Religion. Amen?

SkyWriting · Nov 30, 2018

Aman777 said:
Will the perfect God rest or cease from ALL of His work until that work is finished or brought to perfection? Genesis 2:1 Or does it take the agreement of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to "create" a new creature in Christ as Genesis 1:26 Genesis 5:1-2 as John 14:16 clearly states?

Also, when in the past did Adam/mankind have dominion or rule over Angels, mosquitoes and every other living creature, as Genesis 1:28 states? Or when, in the past have Lions, Bears and every other living creature, been changed into Vegetarians as Genesis 1:30 states?

Those events at the end of the present 6th Day/Age are future to our time. They will happen after Jesus returns at the Rapture. We live today at Genesis 1:27 because God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is STILL creating new creatures in Christ. God will NOT rest or cease to create until His creation is finished/brought to perfection at the end of the present 6th Day Genesis 2:1 and filled with "ALL" of its host, which includes the last sinner to be saved, since Heaven would not be complete without them. Then and only then, God will cease to create because His perfect Heaven will finally be finished or brought to perfection and filled with ALL of His children. It's the only way a perfect God's works can conclude.

What you have concluded is that God the Son has already rested and God the Holy Spirit has already rested from ALL of their work, since they are also God. God did not rest in the past according to Jesus who tells us:

Jhn 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, (up to the present time) and I work.

Because God knows who will be saved and written in the Book of Life at the end of time, does not override the FREE CHOICE of everyone to believe or reject the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. If it did, all of the misery, sickness and death of the creation would have been totally unnecessary.

The perfect God has but 7 Days/Ages and the 7th is Eternity. We live today at Genesis 1:27 and we will not advance to the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 until after Jesus returns for His own at the Rapture. That's God's Truth of Genesis but not according to mankind's ancient beliefs/Religion. Amen?

God stopped creating and will remain so until the new earth is created.
All the work of revelation and converting souls is written in the book of life.
The author may have autographed the book, I dunno for sure on that.
But the ink is dry.

Aman777 · Nov 30, 2018

SkyWriting said:
God stopped creating and will remain so until the new earth is created.
All the work of revelation and converting souls is written in the book of life.
The author may have autographed the book, I dunno for sure on that.
But the ink is dry.

Aman777 said:
Jhn 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, (up to the present time) and I work.

Was Jesus not telling us the Truth? If Jesus rested in the beginning from "ALL" of His work, He couldn't have died for mankind's sins or have gone to prepare a place for us:

Jhn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Was Jesus not telling us the Truth about the Holy Spirit?

Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever;

How can the Holy Spirit rest or cease to create in the beginning? If that were so, NO one could be saved. Amen?

SkyWriting · Nov 30, 2018

Aman777 said:
Was Jesus not telling us the Truth? If Jesus rested in the beginning from "ALL" of His work, He couldn't have died for mankind's sins or have gone to prepare a place for us:

Jhn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Was Jesus not telling us the Truth about the Holy Spirit?

Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever;

How can the Holy Spirit rest or cease to create in the beginning? If that were so, NO one could be saved. Amen?

The names in the book of life are all set.
Sorry, you had not heard. You can't reason a way around it.

Revelation 13:8
And all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

Revelation 21:27
But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.

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