How do YECs explain the dinosaurs?

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The scientific consensus is that the dinosaurs inhabited Earth over 200 million years ago. But there are creationists, particularly of the “Young Earth” variety, who believe our world is only 6,000 years old. How do young earth creationists explain the dinosaurs, then?
 

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The scientific consensus is that the dinosaurs inhabited Earth over 200 million years ago. But there are creationists, particularly of the “Young Earth” variety, who believe our world is only 6,000 years old. How do young earth creationists explain the dinosaurs, then?

There are many evidences that show that God's Word is true. Science confirms a young Earth as a part of these evidences. In my Blogger article, I have provided a small sampling of Young Earth creation evidence that talks about dinosaurs (in the section titled "Paleontology.").

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Note: If you want to find it quickly: Once you reach the article (via the link), just do a key word search on the word "Paleontology" to find it on the page.

If you have a MAC: Press "Command" and "F"
If you have a PC: Press "Control" and "F"
Then type in the word "Paleontology" into the drop down box and hit next or the arrow key.
 
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Note: Once you reach the article (via the link), just do a key word search on the word "Paleontology" to find it on the page.

If you have a MAC: Press "Command" and "F"
If you have a PC: Press "Control" and "F"
Then type in the word "Paleontology" into the drop down box and hit next or the arrow key.

I'll check out your article. Thanks!
 
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The scientific consensus is that the dinosaurs inhabited Earth over 200 million years ago. But there are creationists, particularly of the “Young Earth” variety, who believe our world is only 6,000 years old. How do young earth creationists explain the dinosaurs, then?

Hi Mr. Hoodwinked,

The first 'fact' to be resolved is how scientists are able to date a dinosaur fossil to be 200 million years old? On what scientific methodology can a man with a scope and a slide rule determine that some bone that he's holding in his hand is 200 million years old?

It is a fact, and I know that many are not willing to believe this, but some 90% of what is taught to students in our schools about the age of and building of the earth and the universe are based on nothing more than the theories and imaginings of men and women who take one small possible fact and build an entire worldview around that small 'possible' fact. They then present the entire work in a way that encourages us to believe that it's all been checked out and verified.

I remember taking my son to the Museum of Natural Science at the Smithsonian museum a number of years ago. One of the first things that you see when you walk into the grand hall at the front door is a lighted panel raised up on the floor of an exhibit that shows the 'evolution' of man. There is a pictorial flow chart beginning with an obvious ape that then changes structure just a bit and then changes structure again just a bit until finally you see a man walking upright that looks just like any of us. I remember seeing that same flow pictorial in many of my natural sciences textbooks when I went to school. It's been around for ages. But, you know what? There's not a shred of verifiable found evidence that supports that picture.

We haven't found, in all of our archaeological digs five or six skeletal remains that support that any of that happened as it is shown to have happened. There have been, in the past, some 'miraculously found' evidence of apelike creatures that we are told are the predecessors of man, but so far, all continued testing has debunked everyone of them of being what they are claimed to be.

God's word, and His Son, have both given us testimony that He created the first man. It also tells us that He created all the animal species by the work of His hand. What is shown on the floor of the Smithsonian's Natural Science museum is a rendering of what a very wise scientist wants us to believe is how man came to be. It is a drawing that was made several decades ago and has been copied and reproduced year after year in all of our many millions of textbooks, but there is not one single shred of evidence to support that such an evolutionary construct ever came to pass.

It is what we want to believe because we believe that the earth and the universe must be millions or billions of years old because it is just totally and completely out of our ability to understand, in our natural state and with our natural mind, that God's account of how everything came to be could possibly be the truth of the matter. Science has proven it!!!!!

Now, each one is free to believe as they will concerning 'how' we all got to November 29, 2018. But God's word does give us what seems to be a fairly concise account of how 'HE' created all that is. His word says that everything that does exists was created by God. Both in our world and even in all of the heavens. For me, I'm going with God. That He is telling me the truth. That He has the power and authority to create everything just as He has said, and that the evidences that we think to imagine are evidences that prove a greater age than what He has said are merely errors in the thinking of man.

Can I prove that God's word is the truth using the scientific methodology that man has devised? Absolutely not!!! But then, neither can I prove any of the miracles that God's word tells us that God has done, through the scientific methodology of man. I can't prove that God flooded the entire earth. I can't prove that in one night all the first born of every couple and of every cattle died. I can't prove that the mighty Nile river literally flowed with blood and that every hole dug in the earth to find water yielded up only blood. I can't prove that the sun stood still on one day or turned back on another. I can't prove that Jesus was born of a virgin. However, I trust on faith that God is telling me the truth in all these things.

God bless you,
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The scientific consensus is that the dinosaurs inhabited Earth over 200 million years ago. But there are creationists, particularly of the “Young Earth” variety, who believe our world is only 6,000 years old. How do young earth creationists explain the dinosaurs, then?

Similar question is: there are detail descriptions of dinosaur in the Book of Job. Should we ask how did Job know what to describe?
 
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No. Much more than that. The smily face shows that you know it is not.
I am afraid that it cannot be a dinosaur :) Dinosaurs need a different vegetation and a different oxygen level to live. It does not exist in human era. Thats why everything is smaller now. Smaller insects, smaller animal, smaller trees etc.

Apatosaurus and similar cannot survive in our days, he would not have enough of oxygen and he would not have enough of food.

Also, the description of Job does not fit a dinosaur, but it fits an aligator well.
 
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The scientific consensus is that the dinosaurs inhabited Earth over 200 million years ago. But there are creationists, particularly of the “Young Earth” variety, who believe our world is only 6,000 years old. How do young earth creationists explain the dinosaurs, then?

Well that's an easy one, of course T Rex was a vegetarian that lived off of coconuts (straight from answers in Genesis) and all of science is wrong.

Next question!

Ah just kidding. This does make for a good laugh though.

Really there are more than just dinosaurs that young earthers have to contend with. Every geologic period has its own unique animals and plants too. For example, the cenozoic has oddly large mammals, and lots of unique smaller mammals as well. Different sections of the cenozoic have unique animals.

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For example, proto elephants in the eocene, aren't found in the pleistocene and vise versa.

When dinosaurs roamed, these rocks are generally split into three sections, the Triassic, Jurassic and cretaceous. And these sections themselves have unique dinosaurs and unique reptiles. For example T Rex isn't actually found the majority of mesozoic rocks, just in the cretaceous.

But even still, there is an older section of rock called the Paleozoic which sections identified as the Cambrian, ordovician, silurian, devonian, Carboniferous , and Permian.

And even each of these periods has their own unique fauna. You won't find anomalocaris beyond the Cambrian. The first tetrapods are in the devonian. The first reptiles in the Carboniferous, the first terrestrial vertebrates in the early silurian etc. And these are exaples of unique fauna that aren't found beyond their sections of time.


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And some ask how we know what rocks are younger or older than others. We use simple concepts such as "the oldest rock is on the bottom". Because if the older rock were on top, it would be floating in space and wouldn't have anything to rest on top of. Nice and simple.View attachment 246159

So in the above images for example, there's yellow glacial till, gray to brown till, and yellow brown till, indicating that at three points in time glaciars had advanced with cooling of the planet and retreated with warming of the planet (multiple ice ages).

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Then we pull up our map and we can see how some till extended further south than other layers of till.

And we put it together and look at what fossils are in each layer.

In principle it is simple and logical.
 
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And when you look at larger sections of rock, it becomes quite clear that a vast amount of time is needed to form the complex geologic features of today.

For example, in the video above, we have geologic faulting and breaking of rock due to compressional forces(getting smashed) and other faults caused by extensional forces in the same are but superpositionally at different times in different layers.

This tells us that layers laid down at different times, we're independently fractured at different points in time. This means that we have different independent times of deposition and tectonic motion in different directions. We also have subsurface erosional features and different superpositional times of erosion indicating the erosion of hard rock, which of course takes long periods of time.

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And there are many more factors that make it clear that the earth is old.
 

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The scientific consensus is that the dinosaurs inhabited Earth over 200 million years ago. But there are creationists, particularly of the “Young Earth” variety, who believe our world is only 6,000 years old. How do young earth creationists explain the dinosaurs, then?

Before that question can be answered you need to look at the geological column as that is what is the bases for the scientific explanation to your question.

the link below is a seven minute escert of a longer presentation.

well worth your time to watch

https://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1415/101-mud-layers/
 
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Hi Mr. Hoodwinked,

The first 'fact' to be resolved is how scientists are able to date a dinosaur fossil to be 200 million years old? On what scientific methodology can a man with a scope and a slide rule determine that some bone that he's holding in his hand is 200 million years old?

It is a fact, and I know that many are not willing to believe this, but some 90% of what is taught to students in our schools about the age of and building of the earth and the universe are based on nothing more than the theories and imaginings of men and women who take one small possible fact and build an entire worldview around that small 'possible' fact. They then present the entire work in a way that encourages us to believe that it's all been checked out and verified.

I remember taking my son to the Museum of Natural Science at the Smithsonian museum a number of years ago. One of the first things that you see when you walk into the grand hall at the front door is a lighted panel raised up on the floor of an exhibit that shows the 'evolution' of man. There is a pictorial flow chart beginning with an obvious ape that then changes structure just a bit and then changes structure again just a bit until finally you see a man walking upright that looks just like any of us. I remember seeing that same flow pictorial in many of my natural sciences textbooks when I went to school. It's been around for ages. But, you know what? There's not a shred of verifiable found evidence that supports that picture.

Except for hierarchical taxonomic nesting

Lines of brachiating anatomy

Chromosomal banding

Fossil records of pelvic structure

Fossil record of larynx migration

Fossil record of vestigial structures

Fossil record of geographical distribution

Fossil sequencing

Fossil intermediates

Sequencing of stone tools

And a few dozen other lines of evidence
 
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The scientific consensus is that the dinosaurs inhabited Earth over 200 million years ago. But there are creationists, particularly of the “Young Earth” variety, who believe our world is only 6,000 years old. How do young earth creationists explain the dinosaurs, then?
There are apparently people who think 'The Flintstones' was a documentary and not a cartoon
 
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There are apparently people who think 'The Flintstones' was a documentary and not a cartoon

My own view is that God used science to create the earth (it’s 4 billion years old, I think), and that God used evolution as a tool to create humans. The YEC position is difficult for me to believe, but I’ll still read their articles and see what they have to say.

Cool steam punk avatar, by the way.
 
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Except for hierarchical taxonomic nesting

Lines of brachiating anatomy

Chromosomal banding

Fossil records of pelvic structure

Fossil record of larynx migration

Fossil record of vestigial structures

Fossil record of geographical distribution

Fossil sequencing

Fossil intermediates

Sequencing of stone tools

And a few dozen other lines of evidence

Hi tiras,

Thanks for your reply. You should really look into all those 'proven scientific claims' that you promote. You may be surprised, if you really look into it rather than just read what other people have written, that most of that isn't based on any kind of firm scientific methodology.

We don't really know enough about the design and purpose of chromosomes to really make any truthful claims regarding banding. Chromosomes are the actual code written into a living organism that determine how the outward appearance of body parts are formed. Here's how the site 'genome.gov' defines what a chromosome is and its purpose in living organisms:

Chromosomes are thread-like structures located inside the nucleus of animal and plant cells. Each chromosome is made of protein and a single molecule of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA). Passed from parents to offspring, DNA contains the specific instructions that make each type of living creature unique.

Notice that the chromosomes are what makes each living species unique from each other living species. Now, if a chromosome is designed to tell a living organism to make a heart, and a man and an ape have a heart, then there will logically be some similarity in that part of the chromosomal information. So, two living organisms that have a lot of similar structure should be expected to have a lot of matched chromosomal banding. Are you aware of what chromosomal banding is and what it does?

You mention fossil record of pelvic structure. Do you know what that is and what it means for two creatures to have similar pelvic structure? The pelvic structure is used to support the upper body of a creature and depending on how that creature stands, walks and moves about, the pelvic structure will be different. However again, if two similar creatures stand, move and walk about in a similar way, then the pelvic structure will be very close in design for both of those creatures.

There are some creatures that have pelvic structures and we can't understand why they would have them. There doesn't seem to be any use for them in the living creature and so the 'theory' is that they are vestigial. Meaning that they were somehow left in the creature from a previous evolution of that creature. Understand please, that's a 'theory'. We don't really have any evidence that would allow us to say that such an idea really is why that creature has a pelvis. But, there are those who go beyond proven facts and throw in theory as proven facts. This is where one must be careful.

What if God did make the first iteration of that creature with that structure? There's a place in God's word where He says that He will confound the wisdom of the wise. I think we should be very careful when we look at the anatomy of creatures and just because they have some organ or bone structure that we don't know what it's there for...claim that such a phenomenon is therefore proof of evolution.

Some claim that the human coccyx is a vestigial bone structure left over from when men had tails. While that is certainly a theory that is worth looking into, there isn't any proof that Adam wasn't formed with a coccyx on the day that he was created and that man has never had a tail. Again, the issue here is what can we prove, not what we can assume from various theories that we use to explain the 'why' of what we find in the creation.

Just for a good laugh, here's one explanation as to why the human skeletal structure has a coccyx: Medical research has shown that the muscles which help us sit or stand, all gain their ability to move us only because they are attached to our fully functional and necessary so called ‘tail bone’ which of course means that human beings do not actually have a useless or even vestigial “tail bone”! The coccyx is fully functional part of the system of bones, ligaments and muscles of the pelvis, that protects and supports the pelvic organs, and contributes to our upright stance and walking. It provides stable anchorage points for ligaments and muscles which is an essential function of all bones. Without this – we don’t move. Bones must never be considered in isolation, since they are part of an integrated musculoskeletal system that supports and protects body organs, and enables us to move.

Anyway, those are just a couple of arguments to your line of explanation. There are plenty more. You're really going to be in for a shock when you start really researching what we can really prove and what we can really say are 'facts' concerning the fossil record.

God bless,
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Hi tiras,

Thanks for your reply. You should really look into all those 'proven scientific claims' that you promote.
wow, I was thinking that is exactly what you should do. what are the odds?

You may be surprised, if you really look into it rather than just read what other people have written, that most of that isn't based on any kind of firm scientific methodology.

We don't really know enough about the design and purpose of chromosomes to really make any truthful claims regarding banding. Chromosomes are the actual code written into a living organism that determine how the outward appearance of body parts are formed. Here's how the site 'genome.gov' defines what a chromosome is and its purpose in living organisms:

Chromosomes are thread-like structures located inside the nucleus of animal and plant cells. Each chromosome is made of protein and a single molecule of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA). Passed from parents to offspring, DNA contains the specific instructions that make each type of living creature unique.

Notice that the chromosomes are what makes each living species unique from each other living species. Now, if a chromosome is designed to tell a living organism to make a heart, and a man and an ape have a heart, then there will logically be some similarity in that part of the chromosomal information. So, two living organisms that have a lot of similar structure should be expected to have a lot of matched chromosomal banding. Are you aware of what chromosomal banding is and what it does?
yes but I am not sure you see the connection between banding and human evolution.

You mention fossil record of pelvic structure. Do you know what that is and what it means for two creatures to have similar pelvic structure? The pelvic structure is used to support the upper body of a creature and depending on how that creature stands, walks and moves about, the pelvic structure will be different. However again, if two similar creatures stand, move and walk about in a similar way, then the pelvic structure will be very close in design for both of those creatures.
do you know there are multiple issues involving pelvic structure?

There are some creatures that have pelvic structures and we can't understand why they would have them. There doesn't seem to be any use for them in the living creature and so the 'theory' is that they are vestigial. Meaning that they were somehow left in the creature from a previous evolution of that creature. Understand please, that's a 'theory'. We don't really have any evidence that would allow us to say that such an idea really is why that creature has a pelvis.
you seem to be talking about the pelvic structure of whales. And there certainly is readily available evidence, all one has to do is go look.



Some claim that the human coccyx is a vestigial bone structure left over from when men had tails. While that is certainly a theory that is worth looking into, there isn't any proof that Adam wasn't formed with a coccyx on the day that he was created and that man has never had a tail. Again, the issue here is what can we prove, not what we can assume from various theories that we use to explain the 'why' of what we find in the creation.
we have no proof of Adam
 
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Hi tiras,

Thanks for your response. You wrote:
we have no proof of Adam

I guess we're done here. I would just like to let the OP know that your position is that we have no proof of Adam before he puts any stock in anything you've written as a response on this thread.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Hi again tiras,

I'd be happy to look over any evidence that you have to the contrary. I'm not a blind believer, I'm a reasoned believer. Your response to me has a lot of words strung together to make sentences, but is lacking any substantive argument for your position.

Let's assume that I don't know the connection between chromosomal banding and evolution. Just because you ask me if I know the difference doesn't offer up any evidence to support that there is some connection between chromosomal banding and evolution. Nor does it offer up how that banding would be a proven indicator that it does 'prove' evolution. The basic process of banding is to add various elements to the chromosomal DNA and depending on the added element, it is either accepted or rejected by various blocks of the DNA strand and for those blocks that accept the element, it causes them to change color and often times that color change is seen as bands.

Now, it is up to you to show the evidence that proves that this banding process in which various blocks of DNA are colored, proves that evolution must have occurred.

You then ask whether I know that there are multiple issues involving pelvic structure? Yes, I do know that. I don't, however, know how the various issues involving pelvic structure 'prove' evolution. So, instead of just asking empty questions, perhaps some of your evidentiary findings would be in order. At least links to where you've gleaned the information that these pelvic structures 'prove' evolution.

Yes, you are correct that the pelvic structures of whales, for which I absolutely agree that there is ample evidence to prove that some whale species have a pelvic structure, is what I'm referring to. However, none of that ample evidence that whales have a pelvic structure has yet been able to 'prove' the case for evolution. It would only be 'proof' if we could 'prove' that the structure was a vestigial structure. Whether it is or not is still up for debate.

Here's some recent study on the subject that suggests that the whale pelvis does have a purpose in it's life cycle today: For decades, scientists assumed that the relatively small pelvic bones found in whales were simple remnants of their land-dwelling past, “useless vestiges” that served no real purpose, akin to the human appendix or tailbone.

A new study, co-authored by Erik Otárola-Castillo, a fellow in David Pilbeam’s paleoanthropology lab in the Department of Human Evolutionary Biology, suggests that the bones, in fact, have a very specific purpose — particularly when it comes to making baby whales and baby dolphins.

Go figure, huh? You see how that's done? I make a claim and then I back that claim up with some evidence. Now, whether the evidence is factual or not or whether you're willing to accept any evidence I provide isn't really the point in the OP's search. The point that I'm attempting to make is that there is a lot of stuff out there about this subject that people believe to have been 'proven scientific fact', that just really ain't so.

As you allude to, there are dozens, perhaps even hundreds of such evidences that many people believe to be scientifically proven and studied facts, but they aren't really. It may not be true that the whale pelvis or the human coccyx are vestigial. If that's not true, then those things can't be proofs of evolution. One might say that it is possible, but one cannot, with any surety, say that it is any evidence of proof for evolution.

Similarly, the OP has read certain evidences that dinosaurs wandered the earth 200 million years ago. However, my point is that there isn't any verifiable science that one can use to 'prove' that such a statement is true or not. It is generally accepted, but it has not been proven. It's still a working theory based on whether or not other working theories are true.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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