REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY

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Question: "What is replacement theology / supersessionism?"

Answer:
"Replacement" theology (also known as supersessionism) essentially teaches different views of the relationship between the ""Church"" (Body of Christ) and NATION ""Israel""...
ONE view: the ""Church"" is completely different and distinct from NATION ""Israel""

The view that ""Israel"" and the ""Church"" are different is clearly taught in the NT.
Biblically speaking...the two are never to be confused or used interchangeably.
...the ""Church"" is an entirely new creation that came into being on the day of Pentecost and
will continue until it is taken to heaven at the "rapture"
(FOR "RAPTURO" SEE: Matthew 24: 29-31; Ephesians 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17; 1 Thessalonians 1:7 ).

The "Church" has no relationship to the curses and blessings for "Israel".
The covenants, promises, and warnings are valid only for "Israel".
NATION "Israel" has been temporarily set aside in God's program during these past 2000 years of dispersion.
(due to spiritual rejection of Jesus as the Divine Messiah)

Matthew 23:37 [ Jesus' Lament over His people]
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and
you were unwilling!

After the "rapturo", God will restore "Israel" as the primary focus of His plan.
The first event at this time is the "tribulation" (Matthew 24; Revelation chapters 6-19).
The world will be judged for rejecting Christ,
while NATION "Israel" is prepared through the trials of the "great tribulation"
for the "Second Coming" of the Messiah.
Then, when Christ does return to the earth, at the end of the tribulations,
"Israel" will be ready to receive Him.
The remnant of "Israel" which survives the tribulation will be saved.
Jesus the King / Lord will establish His kingdom on this earth with Jerusalem as its capital.
With Christ reigning as King for 1000 years,
"Israel" will be the leading nation, and representatives from all nations will come to Jerusalem
to honor and worship the King—Jesus the Christ, The Divine Messiah.
The "Church" will return with Christ and will reign with Him for a literal thousand years (Revelation 20:1-5).

The "Church" has not replaced "Israel" in God's plan.
While God may be focusing His attention primarily on the "Church" in this dispensation / age of grace,
God has not forgotten "Israel" and will one day restore "Israel"
to His intended role as the NATION He has chosen (Romans chapters 9-11).

What is replacement theology / supersessionism? ...edited and placement of emphasis is MINE
 
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There are two Houses.Judah and Israel,only Judah returned to form the nation state of Israel.They will not be joined back together until the return of Christ,so I ask again,where are the other nations?

Your anticipation of the rejoining of Israel & Judah is a bit askew with regard to timing. It's already happened - is happening.

According to prophecy, the regathering will happen before messiah comes. Many Israeli scholars look forward to the coming of ha-mashiach (messiah) as do Christians.

Jeremiah 50:4-7 Describes the aliyah to eretz Yisrael in the End Times. The regathering began in the 19th century and escalated geometrically after the founding of the modern State of Israel. Israel and Judah are making aliyah now - the regathering into the original land.

Jeremiah 31:8-10 Describes the gathering of Israel & Judah from the far regions of earth. As stated before, it is happening now.

Ezekiel 37:19-23 Describes the famous stick prophecy. The stick of Joseph, which is representative of the northern kingdom of Israel, and the stick of Judah are to be joined into a single stick once again. The divided people will be joined together into a single nation. As we clearly see, this prediction has already happened.

Ezekiel 37:1-10 Describes the famous dry bones prophecy. In this text, God reveals to the prophet Ezekiel his plan to return the people to the land and to make of them a nation once again.

There are several additional, but more obscure references to the ingathering of people to eretz Yisrael (land of Israel), but the ones provided above should be sufficient to prove the intent of prophecy with regard to timing of the ingathering prior to the coming of ha-mashiach.

Hope this helps.

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Your anticipation of the rejoining of Israel & Judah is a bit askew with regard to timing. It's already happened - is happening.

According to prophecy, the regathering will happen before messiah comes. Many Israeli scholars look forward to the coming of ha-mashiach (messiah) as do Christians.

Jeremiah 50:4-7 Describes the aliyah to eretz Yisrael in the End Times. The regathering began in the 19th century and escalated geometrically after the founding of the modern State of Israel. Israel and Judah are making aliyah now - the regathering into the original land.

Jeremiah 31:8-10 Describes the gathering of Israel & Judah from the far regions of earth. As stated before, it is happening now.

Ezekiel 37:19-23 Describes the famous stick prophecy. The stick of Joseph, which is representative of the northern kingdom of Israel, and the stick of Judah are to be joined into a single stick once again. The divided people will be joined together into a single nation. As we clearly see, this prediction has already happened.

Ezekiel 37:1-10 Describes the famous dry bones prophecy. In this text, God reveals to the prophet Ezekiel his plan to return the people to the land and to make of them a nation once again.

There are several additional, but more obscure references to the ingathering of people to eretz Yisrael (land of Israel), but the ones provided above should be sufficient to prove the intent of prophecy with regard to timing of the ingathering prior to the coming of ha-mashiach.

Hope this helps.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

Will have to disagree the regathering is at the return of Christ

Ezekiel 37:24 "And David My servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them."

 
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Will have to disagree the regathering is at the return of Christ

Ezekiel 37:24 "And David My servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them."

I do not understand your meaning or disagreement.

Prophetic scripture points to regathering. It is quite clear.
All prophecy centers upon Israel as a reestablished nation.
1. Israel is to be regathered according to scripture. This has happened.
2. Alliances are created against it according to scripture (as well as current events).
3. Attacks are to be made against the reborn nation - as we see happening today.
x. THEN Christ comes and saves Israel. This final event has not happened.

History and current events tells us the regathering has already happened, yet Christ has not returned. This too is clear.

The only explanation that I'm aware of is the fallacy that the church (which church, by the way?) has replaced ancient Israel. This can only be proven by taking scripture out of context and making illogical and inconsistent assertions.

Again, the consistent promise of scripture is that the regathering of Israel would take place in the actual geographic location it was originally. This has happened. Scripture says all Israel would come from the remote parts of the earth to live again in Eretz Yisrael. This has happened and is happening.

The joining of gentile believers to Jewish believers is described in detail in Romans 9, 10 & 11. The spiritual nature of this mingling is explained elsewhere in the Bible, but not as clearly as in Paul's epistle.

Are you ignoring the words of scripture and of the actual establishment of the State of Israel or are you deferring to some other interpretation? The only one that comes to mind is an anti-semitic dogma that rejects Israel entirely - or kicks the can down the road into some obscure future point that will never arrive.

Israel exists now. The ingathering has happened. You cannot deny it.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 
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Your anticipation of the rejoining of Israel & Judah is a bit askew with regard to timing. It's already happened - is happening.

According to prophecy, the regathering will happen before messiah comes. Many Israeli scholars look forward to the coming of ha-mashiach (messiah) as do Christians.

Jeremiah 50:4-7 Describes the aliyah to eretz Yisrael in the End Times. The regathering began in the 19th century and escalated geometrically after the founding of the modern State of Israel. Israel and Judah are making aliyah now - the regathering into the original land.

Jeremiah 31:8-10 Describes the gathering of Israel & Judah from the far regions of earth. As stated before, it is happening now.

Ezekiel 37:19-23 Describes the famous stick prophecy. The stick of Joseph, which is representative of the northern kingdom of Israel, and the stick of Judah are to be joined into a single stick once again. The divided people will be joined together into a single nation. As we clearly see, this prediction has already happened.

Ezekiel 37:1-10 Describes the famous dry bones prophecy. In this text, God reveals to the prophet Ezekiel his plan to return the people to the land and to make of them a nation once again.

There are several additional, but more obscure references to the ingathering of people to eretz Yisrael (land of Israel), but the ones provided above should be sufficient to prove the intent of prophecy with regard to timing of the ingathering prior to the coming of ha-mashiach.

Hope this helps.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

If you had bothered to check out Isaiah 66, you would know that Bible prophecy clearly teaches that the prophesied return will take place after Messiah returns, not before.
 
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I do not understand your meaning or disagreement.

Prophetic scripture points to regathering. It is quite clear.
All prophecy centers upon Israel as a reestablished nation.
1. Israel is to be regathered according to scripture. This has happened.
2. Alliances are created against it according to scripture (as well as current events).
3. Attacks are to be made against the reborn nation - as we see happening today.
x. THEN Christ comes and saves Israel. This final event has not happened.

History and current events tells us the regathering has already happened, yet Christ has not returned. This too is clear.

The only explanation that I'm aware of is the fallacy that the church (which church, by the way?) has replaced ancient Israel. This can only be proven by taking scripture out of context and making illogical and inconsistent assertions.

Again, the consistent promise of scripture is that the regathering of Israel would take place in the actual geographic location it was originally. This has happened. Scripture says all Israel would come from the remote parts of the earth to live again in Eretz Yisrael. This has happened and is happening.

The joining of gentile believers to Jewish believers is described in detail in Romans 9, 10 & 11. The spiritual nature of this mingling is explained elsewhere in the Bible, but not as clearly as in Paul's epistle.

Are you ignoring the words of scripture and of the actual establishment of the State of Israel or are you deferring to some other interpretation? The only one that comes to mind is an anti-semitic dogma that rejects Israel entirely - or kicks the can down the road into some obscure future point that will never arrive.

Israel exists now. The ingathering has happened. You cannot deny it.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
You are failing to notice the difference between end time prophecies about Israel and those about Judah. The scriptures clearly present Judah (the Jews) in the land when the end time scenario opens. But it shows them there in a state of rebellion and unbelief, which is exactly their current state. But Isaiah 66 clearly shows all Israel returning to the land after Messiah returns, Ezekiel 20 shows the rebels being purged from their midst as they return, which obviously has not yet happened, and Ezekiel 36 just as clearly states that in the end "all the house of Israel, all of it" will again be in the land. So it is sheer nonsense to even imagine that this has happened.
 
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I do not understand your meaning or disagreement.

Prophetic scripture points to regathering. It is quite clear.
All prophecy centers upon Israel as a reestablished nation.
1. Israel is to be regathered according to scripture. This has happened.
2. Alliances are created against it according to scripture (as well as current events).
3. Attacks are to be made against the reborn nation - as we see happening today.
x. THEN Christ comes and saves Israel. This final event has not happened.

History and current events tells us the regathering has already happened, yet Christ has not returned. This too is clear.

The only explanation that I'm aware of is the fallacy that the church (which church, by the way?) has replaced ancient Israel. This can only be proven by taking scripture out of context and making illogical and inconsistent assertions.

Again, the consistent promise of scripture is that the regathering of Israel would take place in the actual geographic location it was originally. This has happened. Scripture says all Israel would come from the remote parts of the earth to live again in Eretz Yisrael. This has happened and is happening.

The joining of gentile believers to Jewish believers is described in detail in Romans 9, 10 & 11. The spiritual nature of this mingling is explained elsewhere in the Bible, but not as clearly as in Paul's epistle.

Are you ignoring the words of scripture and of the actual establishment of the State of Israel or are you deferring to some other interpretation? The only one that comes to mind is an anti-semitic dogma that rejects Israel entirely - or kicks the can down the road into some obscure future point that will never arrive.

Israel exists now. The ingathering has happened. You cannot deny it.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

Can't talk long so until I can,I will just say all of Israel are not Jew's,only Judah,and that's who returned to that nation state of Israel
 
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You are failing to notice the difference between end time prophecies about Israel and those about Judah. The scriptures clearly present Judah (the Jews) in the land when the end time scenario opens. But it shows them there in a state of rebellion and unbelief, which is exactly their current state. But Isaiah 66 clearly shows all Israel returning to the land after Messiah returns, Ezekiel 20 shows the rebels being purged from their midst as they return, which obviously has not yet happened, and Ezekiel 36 just as clearly states that in the end "all the house of Israel, all of it" will again be in the land. So it is sheer nonsense to even imagine that this has happened.

Your post is well stated, but based upon mistaken logic.

The error most Christians fall into is philosophical in nature. They create a philosophical presupposition and then build upon it with scripture quotations and physical evidence. They do not use scripture and physical evidence as a basis for their ideology.

Again - the overwhelming Christian approach to Biblical interpretation is anti-semitic philosophy.

Israel became a sovereign nation in 1948. No amount of anti-semitic philosophical jargon and Biblical juggling can change the evidence that appears in our newspapers on a daily basis. People who deny the existence of the State of Israel are in denial of reality and prefer the philosophical nightmare they've created for themselves.

According to Israeli law ONLY people of Jewish descent are allowed to apply for citizenship. Some Arab persons are citizens only because they were grandfathered in at the time of independence. No Messianic Jews are accepted for consideration.

Israeli law and the political environment in which it exists is very complicated. Therefore it is philosophically inaccurate (and unjust) to make generalized statements with regard to the spiritual attitude and condition of its general population. For instance, the Roman Catholic church has influence way out of proportion to its legal constitutional status, which ought to be negligible. In another example, Orthodox rabbinic Jews are a minority of the Jewish population of Israel, but like the Catholic church wields influence above and beyond their numbers. The majority of modern Israelis are Reform Jews. They aren't unreceptive to the past work of ha-mashiach or of the gospel - providing it isn't presented to them as anti-semitic philosophy (which describes modern Christian theology).

The basic difference between Christians and Jews is that Jews base their faulty religious logic upon the Talmud. It isn't canon, but they buy it. Christians base their faulty religious logic upon subjective anti-semitic philosophy, which changes every ten to fifteen years. It isn't canon, but they buy it. Case in point is that Christians can't even decide who they are in the kingdom of God - so they argue constantly. Jews know who they are, but prefer to argue about it anyway.

The basic assertion you are making is that Israel is in rebellion against God. I submit that if they were, God would not honor their independence nor would He defend them against their enemies. He certainly didn't do it in scripture when they rebelled against Him then. Since God does not change, something else must be going on in Israel.

Shall interpretation be based upon subjective philosophy or upon scripture and physical evidence?(*) That is the reader's choice. Choose wisely.

Do not turn your back upon Israel just because you feel you must defend a religious philosophy that is anti-semitic in nature. Seek first the kingdom of God. It is at work in Israel today.

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(*) Most Christian sermons are based upon philosophy, not scripture. The general format of a typical sermon is situational ethics with a line or two of scripture thrown in to support the main theme. Despite their attempts at spiritual teaching they fail because they are based upon philosophy instead of scripture.

Again, there are two types of sermons; scriptural and topical. 90% of sermons are topical. They use situational ethics supported by scripture and anecdotes to make their point. 10% of sermons are scriptural, which use chapter and verse from the Bible as talking points INSTEAD OF subjective ethical supposition.

10% of sermons are scriptural, like a lecture in a seminary or Bible college. Preachers who do not have a good foundation in the Bible cannot deliver one that isn't as dry as last week's left-over dinner.
 
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Can't talk long so until I can,I will just say all of Israel are not Jew's,only Judah,and that's who returned to that nation state of Israel

Not true. There are a number of members of the different tribes present in Israel.

For instance, many of the tribe of Levy live there today.

DNA technology is being widely employed to discover who's who among Israelis.

It is true that all Jews are Hebrew, but not all Hebrews are Jews.

Israelis are all of the above. Hebrews were the people of the Bible. Israelis are the people God has called to rebuild eretz Israel.

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