Jews will have a chance to be saved during end times?

JohnB445 said:

I was watching a study, "After Jesus reveals the anti-christ and defeats it during the tribulation, Jesus will show himself that he really was the messiah of the Jews this whole time and they will have a chance to accept him, every knee shall bow". Scripture was provided so it make sense. Could this be talking about the 144,000 tribes from Isreal?

The interesting question is would a gentile convert in Judaism be considered a Jew according to God.

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Anytime is great.

It depends on from what did the gentile convert to Judaism. If he converted after....

Hebrews 6:
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

... the person could be considered an antichrist (someone likened to the coming Antichrist) rejecting Jesus in that case, it would appear. So I don't think that person would be considered a Jew, just because he converted to the religion of Judaism.
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The Jews will become Christians, en masse, during the middle part of the seven years, having made the huge mistake of thinking the Antichrist person was their messiah, during the first three years, thereabouts. And Jesus will rescue them at the end of the seven years, when He returns.

The 144,000 are the first of Israel, who become Christians as part of that group, are called the firstfruits because of it.

JohnB445 said:

I was watching a study, "After Jesus reveals the anti-christ and defeats it during the tribulation, Jesus will show himself that he really was the messiah of the Jews this whole time and they will have a chance to accept him, every knee shall bow". Scripture was provided so it make sense. Could this be talking about the 144,000 tribes from Isreal?

The interesting question is would a gentile convert in Judaism be considered a Jew according to God.

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The dispensational belief is that of a national conversion of Israel:

Zechariah 12
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

This will include Judas Iscariot, Caiaphas, and all of those responsible for Christ's death.

We'll meet and greet all of them in heaven.

Regarding Judas, notwithstanding John 17:12.

Absolutely they will.
Amen.
Question mark shouldn't exist.

JohnB445 said:

I was watching a study, "After Jesus reveals the anti-christ and defeats it during the tribulation, Jesus will show himself that he really was the messiah of the Jews this whole time and they will have a chance to accept him, every knee shall bow". Scripture was provided so it make sense. Could this be talking about the 144,000 tribes from Isreal?

The interesting question is would a gentile convert in Judaism be considered a Jew according to God.

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Not based on the parable of the virgins from Matthew chapter 25.
Christ said they must be ready before the bridegroom comes.

In the passage below Christ return "in flaming fire", taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel.

2Th 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
2Th 1:10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

Based on the passages above, nobody will be saved at His Second Coming, based on race, or geographic boundary.

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.


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And AGAIN you are taking the Scriptures completely out of context.
And it doesn't matter if you highlight them or underscore them, or color them.
It doesn't detract from the fact.

BABerean2 said:

Not based on the parable of the virgins from Matthew chapter 25.
Christ said they must be ready before the bridegroom comes.

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I have an interesting study on that concerning the Passover in Egypt.
Both of these events occurred at midnight:

Exodus 12:29
And is becoming middle of the night and Yahweh smote every of firstborn in land of Egypt, from firstborn of Pharaoh,........

Matthew 25:
6 And middle of night a cry has occurred "behold! the Bridegroom. Be ye coming out! into meeting of Him".
10 Of coming away yet of them to purchase, came the Bridegroom and the prepared ones entered with Him into the marriage-festivities, and is locked the door.
11 Subsequently yet are coming also the rest of the virgins saying "Lord! Lord! open Thou! to us"
12 The yet answering He said "Verily I am saying to ye not I have known ye"

In Revelation 15, it shows no one is able to enter into the Sanctuary/Holy Place. Could there be people already in it?

Revelation 15:8
And is being-filled-full/replete the Sanctuary of smoke out of the Glory of the God, and out of the power of Him.
And no-one was able to be entering into the Sanctuary/Holy Place until should be being finished the seven blows/stripes of the seven Messengers.


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LittleLambofJesus said:

In Revelation 15, it shows no one is able to enter into the Sanctuary/Holy Place. Could there be people already in it?

Revelation 15:8
And is being-filled-full/replete the Sanctuary of smoke out of the Glory of the God, and out of the power of Him.
And no-one was able to be entering into the Sanctuary/Holy Place until should be being finished the seven blows/stripes of the seven Messengers.

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I searched on the word "altar".

Rev_6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Rev_8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Rev_8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

Rev_9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

Rev_11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

Rev_14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

Rev_16:7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

Based on the text you supplied and the text above there are "souls" there now, but there will be a time in the future when nobody will enter, until God's wrath is poured out, and completed.

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JohnB445 said:

I was watching a study, "After Jesus reveals the anti-christ and defeats it during the tribulation, Jesus will show himself that he really was the messiah of the Jews this whole time and they will have a chance to accept him, every knee shall bow". Scripture was provided so it make sense. Could this be talking about the 144,000 tribes from Isreal?

The interesting question is would a gentile convert in Judaism be considered a Jew according to God.

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From a Jewish perspective (not mine, but of those that I know), Jesus is real. In their mind, he was a prophet and not the Savior.

John 3:16 is the key verse of all Scriptures. And here is what it says:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
~NIV

the Bible says that whoever believes in Him will be saved. Not whoever believes He is the Savior, but rather whoever believes he exists.

Hope this helps

Neckelehamiah said:

From a Jewish perspective (not mine, but of those that I know), Jesus is real. In their mind, he was a prophet and not the Savior.

John 3:16 is the key verse of all Scriptures. And here is what it says:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
~NIV

the Bible says that whoever believes in Him will be saved. Not whoever believes He is the Savior, but rather whoever believes he exists.

Hope this helps

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Do you think the demons in the passage below would be saved, since they believe Christ is the Son of God?

Mar 5:7 And he cried out with a loud voice and said, "What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God that You do not torment me."
Mar 5:8 For He said to him, "Come out of the man, unclean spirit!"
Mar 5:9 Then He asked him, "What is your name?" And he answered, saying, "My name is Legion; for we are many."

Even Satan knows that Christ is the Son of God.

Do you think you need to re-evaluate your standard of salvation? (See Galatians 1:6-9.)

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BABerean2 said:

Do you think the demons in the passage below would be saved, since they believe Christ is the Son of God?

Mar 5:7 And he cried out with a loud voice and said, "What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God that You do not torment me."
Mar 5:8 For He said to him, "Come out of the man, unclean spirit!"
Mar 5:9 Then He asked him, "What is your name?" And he answered, saying, "My name is Legion; for we are many."

Even Satan knows that Christ is the Son of God.

Do you think you need to re-evaluate your standard of salvation? (See Galatians 1:6-9.)

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This is not what I said at all.

What I said was that Jews DO NOT believe that Jesus is the SON OF GOD.

What I said is that the Jews believe He EXISTS.

Jews do not view him as the Son of God. They view him as a PROPHET(def. a person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God.)

Anyone who believes he exists (that he is REAL), will not perish but have eternal life.

Please do not attempt to start a fight where there does not need to be one. I have no intention of fueling the fire.

JohnB445 said:

I was watching a study, "After Jesus reveals the anti-christ and defeats it during the tribulation, Jesus will show himself that he really was the messiah of the Jews this whole time and they will have a chance to accept him, every knee shall bow". Scripture was provided so it make sense. Could this be talking about the 144,000 tribes from Isreal?

The interesting question is would a gentile convert in Judaism be considered a Jew according to God.

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The 'chance' that the Jews have is now, Just like every other person who has lived since Jesus came; NOW is the time to believe in Him. When Jesus Returns will be too late.

Any 'study' that promotes a Jewish redemption, is done in order to support a pre-trib rapture to heaven of the Church. Something that is never prophesied to happen.
Rapture believers must have the Jews on earth, passing thru the Great Tribulation, while they sit in heaven, doing what, they don't know.

This whole concept is contrary to all the prophesies that say after the Lord's Day of wrath, only a remnant of the House of Judah will survive. Romans 9:27
Ephesians 2:11-18 makes it crystal clear that ethnicity counts for nothing now.

Neckelehamiah said:

Anyone who believes he exists (that he is REAL), will not perish but have eternal life.

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Satan believes that Christ is real.

The devils in Mark chapter 5 believe that Christ is real.

I am not trying to start a fight.

I am attempting to point out that your statement above is wrong.

Anyone who thinks Christ was only a prophet, will not inherit eternal life.

Muslims also believe Christ was a prophet.

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JohnB445 said:

I was watching a study, "After Jesus reveals the anti-christ and defeats it during the tribulation, Jesus will show himself that he really was the messiah of the Jews this whole time and they will have a chance to accept him, every knee shall bow". Scripture was provided so it make sense. Could this be talking about the 144,000 tribes from Isreal?

The interesting question is would a gentile convert in Judaism be considered a Jew according to God.

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No one can come unto Salvation without FAITH. Abraham believed God and was righteous, Christian's must BELIEVE on Jesus by faith, so no, the Jews are not going to be saved by Jesus after he returns, they must accept him while the 70th week is ongoing, Jesus told the Jews in Matthew who would reject him this......

Matt. 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The next time the Jewish people see Jesus they will have already repented and will welcome Jesus by saying Blessed is he that comes that comes in the name of the Lord !!

We know they repent BEFORE the Day of the Lord (Middle of the 70th week) via Malachi.

Mal. 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Zechariah 12:10 tells us the Jews repent, Zechariah 13:1 tells us that IN THAT DAY [that they repent] there will be a FOUNTAIN opened for SINS & UNCLEANNESS to the Jews !!

Then 13:8-9 tells us that 2/3 of the Jews will die [ at the hands of the Anti-Christ] but that 1/3 will be tried and made pure/refined and will come through the fire, and that they will call on God and He will hear them and He will call them His people !!

Then finally in Zechariah 14:1-2, the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem, but in Zechariah 14:3-4 Jesus Conquers those nations that Conquered Jerusalem. So the Jews have clearly REPENTED BEFORE the Day of the Lord, when the 1st Seal is opened and the A.C. goes forth Conquering.

Revealing Times said:

Zechariah 12:10 tells us the Jews repent,

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Zec 12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.


Joh 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.
Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
Joh 19:35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe.
Joh 19:36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "NOT ONE OF HIS BONES SHALL BE BROKEN."
Joh 19:37 And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."


Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
Act 2:40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

Based on the Gospel of John, part of Zechariah 12:10 was fulfilled on the day Christ was crucified.

Based on Acts chapter 2, the Spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost, and they mourned for the one they had seen pierced a few weeks earlier.

About 3,000 from "all the house of Israel" repented on the Day of Pentecost.

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JohnB445 said:

I was watching a study, "After Jesus reveals the anti-christ and defeats it during the tribulation, Jesus will show himself that he really was the messiah of the Jews this whole time and they will have a chance to accept him, every knee shall bow". Scripture was provided so it make sense. Could this be talking about the 144,000 tribes from Isreal?

The interesting question is would a gentile convert in Judaism be considered a Jew according to God.

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Every knee will bow. Note, it doesn't say "Every surviving Jewish knee will bow".

BABerean2 said:

Zec 12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

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Note that Zechariah 12:12-14 says the remaining families will mourn for Jesus.
Then Zechariah 13:7-9 describes the Judgement and punishment of Judah, where only a remnant will survive. Exactly as Paul says in Romans 9:27
So anyone who promotes a general Jewish redemption, is wrong and is compounding their error of the 'rapture to heaven of the Church' theory.

Jews will be saved just like anyone else.

Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
Joh 3:2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him."
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
Joh 3:8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
Joh 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, "How can these things be?"
Joh 3:10 Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?


There is now no difference between a naked native living in the Amazon rain forest, and an Orthodox Jew living anywhere in the world.
They both need Christ for the same reason, and in the same way.

The modern Church has done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with those who consider themselves Jewish.
The modern Two Peoples of God doctrine is part of the problem.

Thank God for young men like the one in the video below who was willing to share "the suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53.


Forbidden Chapter in the Tanakh (Jewish Evangelism)

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jgr said:

The dispensational belief is that of a national conversion of Israel:

Zechariah 12
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

This will include Judas Iscariot, Caiaphas, and all of those responsible for Christ's death.

We'll meet and greet all of them in heaven.

Regarding Judas, notwithstanding John 17:12.

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It is simply, absolutely, and positively untrue that Dispensationalists believe that every Jew that ever lived will be saved. Dispensationalists teach no such thing, and have never taught anything even resembling this false notion. And this poster has been repeatedly informed that we neither teach nor believe this.

What Dispensationalists do believe, because the Bible explicitly states it, is that in a coming day absolutely all of Israel will be brought back to their land. (Ezekiel 20:40, 36:10) But as they return, the rebels will be purged from their midst. (Ezekiel 20:33-38) And all those still living after this purge is completed will believe and be saved. (Ezekiel 20:40, Isaiah 4:3, et al.)