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If the little horn in Daniel 8 is meaning the vile person in Daniel 11:21, and that the vile person in Daniel 11:21 is meaning this same king in Daniel 11:36, I don't see the problem.

For starters Daniel 11:1-35 tells us the history of the Greek empire and focuses on 2 of the 4 kingdoms it split into: Seleucus and Ptolemy; leading up to Antiochus Epiphanes who came from the Seleucid kingdom . It does so, so accurately by the way, that many skeptics believe Daniel 11:1-35 was written after the events of Antiochus Epiphanes.

Again, Daniel 11:1-35 reiterates the prophecy of Daniel 8, just in more detail. Notice again, When Greece conguers Persia, the 1st king's empire (Greece) is parceled to the FOUR winds of heaven. Alexander the great did not have an heir, so his kingdom was divided between his 4 generals.
Daniel 11:2-4 Now then, I tell you the truth: Three more kings will arise in Persia, and then a fourth, who will be far richer than all the others. When he has gained power by his wealth, he will stir up everyone against the kingdom of Greece. Then a mighty king will arise, who will rule with great power and do as he pleases. After he has arisen, his empire will be broken up and parceled out toward the FOUR winds of heaven. It will not go to his descendants, nor will it have the power he exercised, because his empire will be uprooted and given to others.

If the vile king of Daniel 11:21 = the little horn of Daniel 7, where does it mention him putting down 3 kings? Also if Daniel 11:21 is about the little horn of Daniel 7, there should be 10 kings before the vile person comes in Daniel 11:21, no?
 
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Why do you conclude Antiochus fulfilled Daniel 11:31? The one that fulfills Daniel 11:31 is the vile person in verse 21, the same person that comes to his end in verse 45.
Most experts believe that the writer skips from Antiochus to the Beast of Rev. 13 in verse 36.
 
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For starters Daniel 11:1-35 tells us the history of the Greek empire and focuses on 2 of the 4 kingdoms it split into: Seleucus and Ptolemy; leading up to Antiochus Epiphanes who came from the Seleucid kingdom . It does so, so accurately by the way, that many skeptics believe Daniel 11:1-35 was written after the events of Antiochus Epiphanes.

Again, Daniel 11:1-35 reiterates the prophecy of Daniel 8, just in more detail. Notice again, When Greece conguers Persia, the 1st king's empire (Greece) is parceled to the FOUR winds of heaven. Alexander the great did not have an heir, so his kingdom was divided between his 4 generals.
Daniel 11:2-4 Now then, I tell you the truth: Three more kings will arise in Persia, and then a fourth, who will be far richer than all the others. When he has gained power by his wealth, he will stir up everyone against the kingdom of Greece. Then a mighty king will arise, who will rule with great power and do as he pleases. After he has arisen, his empire will be broken up and parceled out toward the FOUR winds of heaven. It will not go to his descendants, nor will it have the power he exercised, because his empire will be uprooted and given to others.

If the vile king of Daniel 11:21 = the little horn of Daniel 7, where does it mention him putting down 3 kings? Also if Daniel 11:21 is about the little horn of Daniel 7, there should be 10 kings before the vile person comes in Daniel 11:21, no?
Very good points!
 
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Most experts believe that the writer skips from Antiochus to the Beast of Rev. 13 in verse 36.


Here's an idea then. How about some of these experts address the following. Like I have asked others who hold a position similar to yours, since the vile person is a main player as of verse 21, if verse 45 is not what becomes of him, then show in chapter 11 what becomes of him then. I have yet to have someone show with the text what becomes of the vile person if verse 45 is not that. And still they claim verse 45 is not meaning this same vile person introduced in verse 21. All of the pronouns and titles, such as the king of the north, the king, etc, between verses 21 and 45, have to have nearest antecedents. If one starts with verse 45 and works backwards, the pronouns clearly lead back to the vile person in verse 21.
 
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The definition of a quote: repeat or copy out (a group of words from a text or speech). So yes, by definition, Paul is quoting Daniel 11:36.

2 thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped,

Daniel 11:36 “The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods
Okay that is a good point. But Daniel 11:36 is not at the time the (same) person first makes the claim.

He first makes the claim when he is in the role of Antichrist about 3 years into to it, as the illegitimate King of Israel. Who magnifies himself in his heart and thinks he has achieved God-hood.

That act is the transgression of desolation, to take place in the temple. Transgressing the covenant that he confirmed to begin the 7 years, which is that the Jews would worship only the One True God. The person will be a Jew himself.

In Ezekiel 28:1-10, God has him killed for the act. And the person finds himself in hell, mocked, in Isaiah 14. Which in Isaiah 14:19-20, God doesn't leave him there in disdain for the person - and to send strong delusion to them that believe his lie (of being God) in the first place. 2Thessalonians 2:9-11.

Brought back alive, as the beast, it will seem to the world that his claim was true, and that they should believe the lie. And worship him.

So Daniel 11:36 is the person, and it is the lie of him claiming to be God and above every god. But Daniel 11:36 is after he has become the beast.

This is shown on the chart below....he commits the transgression of desolation, God has him killed for it, and he is brought back to life to become the beast.

This chart looks at the roles the person goes through.

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y the definition of quoting, Paul is NOT quoting from Daniel 8, 7, or 9. So your argument is still null.
I never said Paul was quoting Daniel 8, 7, 9. Paul was referring to an act, which was a transgression, that in Daniel 8:13 that transgression makes the temple empty, desolate, of any worship and praise of the One True God.
 
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Incorrect. IF Daniel 8 did pertain to 2 thessalonians 2:4, Paul would have simply quoted Daniel 8. But he doesn't. Instead, he quotes Daniel 11:36. Daniel 8 occurred and was fulfilled over 2,000 years ago.
Well your rationale is wrong. Daniel 11:36 is after the person has become the beast, making the same claim as he first did in 2Thessalonians2:4 earlier, which got him killed and later brought back to life as the beast - as the strong delusion God sends to them who believed his lie in the first place.
 
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Here's an idea then. How about some of these experts address the following. Like I have asked others who hold a position similar to yours, since the vile person is a main player as of verse 21, if verse 45 is not what becomes of him, then show in chapter 11 what becomes of him then. I have yet to have someone show with the text what becomes of the vile person if verse 45 is not that. And still they claim verse 45 is not meaning this same vile person introduced in verse 21. All of the pronouns and titles, such as the king of the north, the king, etc, between verses 21 and 45, have to have nearest antecedents. If one starts with verse 45 and works backwards, the pronouns clearly lead back to the vile person in verse 21.
Ask and you shall receive:

25 “Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; But he shall be broken without human means. He did of some disease that left him stinking so bad no one would come near him.
 
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Well your rationale is wrong. Daniel 11:36 is after the person has become the beast, making the same claim as he first did in 2Thessalonians2:4 earlier, which got him killed and later brought back to life as the beast - as the strong delusion God sends to them who believed his lie in the first place.
Sorry, but the person in 11:35 is not the same person as the one in verse 36. It seems Daniel switches from a prophecy 200 years into the future - to a prophecy still not fulfilled.
 
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Sorry, but the person in 11:35 is not the same person as the one in verse 36. It seems Daniel switches from a prophecy 200 years into the future - to a prophecy still not fulfilled.
I am not saying that the person in Daniel 11:36 is the continuation of any past person in Daniel 11.

I am saying the person in Daniel 11:36 is the same person in Daniel 8:13, but in Daniel 11:36 he is in his beast stage.

When the person commits the transgression of desolation act, he will be in his role as the Antichrist, illegitimate King of Israel, which the act reveals him to be the man of sin.

Who as the revealed man of sin will be killed. And brought back to life as the beast - the person in Daniel 11:36.

Trace the person's role changes down through the chart....

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Ask and you shall receive:

25 “Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; But he shall be broken without human means. He did of some disease that left him stinking so bad no one would come near him.


Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

What is the nearest antecedent of the pronouns in verse 36 referring to the king meant in that verse?

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

The person meant in this verse, apparently, meaning the pronoun 'his'.

Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

The king of the south should push at who? Apparently the king meant in verse 36.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


Arms shall stand on who's part?

Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

The same one meant here, apparently.

Daniel 11:27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

Where are the nearest antecedents for both kings meant here?

Daniel 11:25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

One of these 2 kings is obviously the king of the south. The other king has to be the one that shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army. This same king is obviously referring to the vile person in verse 21.

Daniel 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

Apparently meaning the same one the king of the south shall push at him in verse 40, obviously meaning the same one who comes to his end in verse 45. Therefore, as to what becomes of the vile person according to Daniel 11, that is provided in verse 45 like I already alleged.
 
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Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

What is the nearest antecedent of the pronouns in verse 36 referring to the king meant in that verse?

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

The person meant in this verse, apparently, meaning the pronoun 'his'.

Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

The king of the south should push at who? Apparently the king meant in verse 36.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


Arms shall stand on who's part?

Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

The same one meant here, apparently.

Daniel 11:27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

Where are the nearest antecedents for both kings meant here?

Daniel 11:25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

One of these 2 kings is obviously the king of the south. The other king has to be the one that shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army. This same king is obviously referring to the vile person in verse 21.

Daniel 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

Apparently meaning the same one the king of the south shall push at him in verse 40, obviously meaning the same one who comes to his end in verse 45. Therefore, as to what becomes of the vile person according to Daniel 11, that is provided in verse 45 like I already alleged.
David, the king in Daniel 11:36 will meet his end when in verse 45, he positions the center of his army headquarters between the sea, at the glorious mountain - another way of saying Mt. Zion, the temple mount. Antiochus died elsewhere in response to some threat from the parthians. Do a google search for the parthian empire, maps.

Which the king in verse 36 end is when Jesus descends to earth, his foot touching down on the Mt. of Olives directly across the Kidron Valley from the temple mount.

It is not Antiochus. It is not Antiochus in Daniel 8 either. It is Antiochus in Daniel 11:31, who the Maccabees in Daniel 11:32 rebel against him. Verse Daniel 11:35 transitions 2000 years of persons leading people to Christ to the end times of Daniel 11:36.

Daniel 11:36 is beast of the end times. The battles in Daniel 11:40-45 are near the end of the 7 years. One scenario is as the resources of the world have dwindled and the nations are suffering because of the plagues and judgments.

The beast will be funneling whatever resources he has to his kingdom - which is the EU, allied by the west. The beast will be attacked by first the south, then the north seeing that will react and attack him from that direction.

Then he gets hit with the news that the kings of the east are heading toward him, the large army of the sixth trumpet, as the Euphrates is dried up in Revelation 16, the sixth vial of wrath.

That draws all of the armies of the word into the middle east. It is then totally unexpected to the world that the sixth seal events takes place - sending terror into them. And the course of action they take, because they know Jesus is about to execute judgment on them, is to assemble their armies - already in the middle east - to make war on Jesus.

And to take the Jews in Jerusalem as hostages, thinking that will keep Jesus from destroying them. Doesn't work as Jesus splits the Mt of Olives in half and the Jews escape through the valley.

At which time by his brightness, Jesus melts away the facade of the image of the beast (a statue which comes to life and speaks) and exposes Satan on the temple mount for the entire world to see him as he truly is. This is described in Ezekiel 28:18-19.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

That will be the end of Satan's rule of the world, as the prince of this world, and his kingdom.


After Satan is exposed, Jesus speaks and the armies who gathered to fight him die. In Ezekiel 39:21, at his return, He speaks of this judgment He had just laid on the heathen.

Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
 
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You should be more specific. The little horn person is the 7th head of the 7 heads, representing kings of the fourth empire.
No, it's the 7th Head, the Little Horn and 10 Kings.....it arises out of the 6th Head old Rome, the 5th Head was Greece, the 4th Head was Persia, the 3rd Head was Babylon, the 2nd Head was Assyria and the very first Head or BIG CHIEF of the Mediterranean Sea Region was Egypt.

The Heads are all 7 Beasts............the Daniel prophecy looked from Daniel's time forward, Jesus showed us all 7 Kingdoms looking backwards. Daniel showed 4 Beasts and a LITTLE HORN BEAST which = 5 Beasts. If he Little Horn is called a Beast in Dan. 7:11 then he's a BEAST and Rome was also a Beast. Rome was the Wounded Head that quashed the Beast........The Anti-Christ will be THE MAN that Brings the Beast back by Conquering Jerusalem and the Mediterranean Sea Region.

He comes OUT of the Fourth Beast meaning the E.U., he also comes out of Greece as per birthplace and he's an Assyrian as per his Lineage. Notice how he fits three of the Beasts Profiles ? He will be the King of the North. The Kings of the East(Iraq & Iran/Euphrates) will join him, thus all of the Beasts are mentioned as per Armageddon.

The last of which beasts? There is the last beast of men. And there is last beast of the kingdom beasts of the nations - as the Roman Empire end times.

I have seen you post those Kings of Rome and that has absolutely nothing t do with the Little Horn or Anti-Christ/Beast.

The last of the king beasts is the 8th king (of the Roman empire) having been of the seven kings.
The 8th King is a Demon named Apollyon, good grief, how do you thinks hes of the 7 ?

The little horn person is the head on the beast in Revelation 13, wounded and brought back to life. Which that head is the 7th of the seven kings.
The Little Horn is NEVER WOUNDED !! The 6th Head was WOUNDED.......Rome.......the Church delivered that blow because the gates of hell can't prevail against us, thus Rome became a deliverer of the Gospel. When the Church is Raptured, the Anti-Christ will HEAL the Mortal Wound of the 7 Headed Beast by Conquering Jerusalem, thus becoming the 7th Head. The Beast had been dormant for 2000 years with a Wounded Head.
 
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There are only 4 kingdoms until the saints receive the kingdom of God. There is no mention of a "5th" kingdom of from the earth/sea any where in Daniel 7.
Daniel 7:17-18, 23 The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth. But the holy people of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever—yes, for ever and ever.’
He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth
It's irrelevant if its called #5, Daniel is a secretive book on purpose. God wanted the Pharisees and Jews of 2000 years ago to think the 4th Beast ended it all !! And like I have stated, if Israel had repented maybe it would have. But God knew they would not repent. The key is verse 11 and verse 23 or 24, you have to take a step back, take it in and think.....then you can see it.

Verses 17 & 18 indeed say the four beasts are 4 Kings which arise and then the Saints are given the kingdom.........AND the Saints will be given the Kingdom, but you missed the 5th Beast.

Dan. 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. 21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; 22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

So the FOURTH BEAST was different from the others but that is not news because verse 3 tells us that ALL OF THE BEASTS that came up out of the sea were different from each other !!

VERSE 3....And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

So we agree, all the beasts were different from each other, but the NEXT TWO VERSES says something entirely different, but you have to step back and take a deeper look at it !!

Dan. 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Notice that ? The Fourth Beast in verse 23 is DIFFERENT from ALL THE OTHER BEASTS but the Little Horn (ANOTHER SHALL ARISE) when he arises shall be DIFFERENT FROM THE FIRST [BEAST OF ROME]. There are Two Beasts that arise from Rome, the First Beast is Rome, then a MAN is born in the European Union, and he is DIFFERENT FROM THE FIRST in that he is a Beast/Man, that never passes his Kingdom on to another like all the other Beasts. He is thus different from the FIRST/Rome because they had passed their Kingdoms down to other Kings, THIS LAST BEAST will start the Best Kingdom and Die as its King, see Dan. 7:11 or Rev. 19:20, he is cast STRAIGHT INTO HELL. A Beast is one that Conquers, Enslaves or Rules Israel/Mediterranean Sea Region.

It's clear the Fourth Beast is diverse from ALL THE BEASTS in verse 23 and then in verse 24 the Little Horn is different from the FIRST BEAST !! It's obvious this is a purposed riddle by God. The little Horn is clearly a BEAST and is called such in Daniel 7:11.

Incorrect, there is no "5th" beast in Daniel 7.

No 5th beast comes after the 4th beast in the vision.
After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns.

Even the interpretation of the vision states 4 and NOT 5.
Daniel 7:16-17 “So he told me and gave me the INTERPRETATION of these things: ‘The FOUR great beasts are FOUR KINGS that will rise from the earth. But the holy people of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever—yes, for ever and ever.’
No use repeating the ABOVE...........I will just show him.

The Fourth Beast WAS Rome...........the Last Beast is A MAN 2000 years later !!

Dan. 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

The LAST BEAST is a Man....................not Rome, who was the Fourth Beast or the 6th Head. Rev. 17 proves it also.........5 Have fallen ONE IS...........and one is NOT YET COME !!

THe Little Horn Anti-Christ is the only one that has not yet come.

I would disagree.
You can....but if Israel had repented 2000 years ago, the 70th week must needs have completed the penance, LOL. Catch my drift ? We all have free will, God just knows our choices. Why do you think the 70 AD Event looks just like the coming 1260 Event and the Armageddon Events ?

If you don't do theories, then please specifically state where the Bible literally states the E.U. otherwise, yes, every time you claim the E.U. you are posting a theory. There a literally thousands of different "end times" interpretations. Why is yours somehow the right one, when you provide no evidence?
We know it's Euro Centric, and Satan has about 60 years invested in the E.U.m could they fold and it be another European State of 10 which includes Rome/Italy and Greece ? SURE, but not likely. Now as per where it states he will be from Europe in general, it states the Little Horn will arise out of the FOURTH BEAST in Daniel 7:8. He also arises out of Greece as per Dan ch. 8. and is an Assyrian as per Isaiah chapter 10.

He arises out of the FOURTH BEAST..............And Greece...........place the two on a map....they are in Europe and confirm one another as being TRUTH !!

This is a theory. It cannot be proven. The bible does not mention specifically that he is a turk, atheist, or subject of the E.U. If this is not your own personal interpretation, then provide scripture that specifically states he is a turk, atheist, and from the E.U.

It's FACT via scriptures.................Dan. 7 and Dan. 8 have to be CROSS REFERENCED !!

The reason you don't see it is you had an IDEA already planted, men are alpha dogs, you can't let go and that is where God scolded me a few years back. The Holy Spirit called me to Prophecy, and I studied hard, I learned much over 25 years, buy all I had was things we have known, and why was that ? Some of the things we have KNOW are TRADITIONS OF MEN thus this acts as a BLOCKER.....................We can't get past these Men's Traditions, so I said God, I am coming unto you with a blank mind on all Prophecy, SHOW ME the realities that I have been missing.

BOOM. I got it all within the last 3 to 4 years, it just rolls in.

Let me show you how this works.

I was trying to explain on another site how the Rev. 12 Beast, the Rev. 13 Beast and Rev. 17 Beast are all different Entities...........The Red Dragon is Satan and the CROWNS on the Head signifies this. Rev. 13 is the MAN/Anti-Christ, this is signified by the CROWNS on the 10 Heads he's over.

Then the Rev. 17 Beast is shown to be Apollyon, the Beast from the Abyss, who was IS NOT, yet is. He has NO CROWNS signifying as a Demon that he is UNDER SATAN.

A gut told me, not the Rev. 17 Beast is from the Sea, I said no he isn't, John was taken to the Wilderness where he saw the Harlot Woman eifing the Seven Headed Beast. The MAN that arises as the Last Head with 10 Horns arises out of the Mediterranean Sea because he rules that region like all the other 6 Beast Heads.

That gave me an idea, let's look at Rev. 12 and see where he's from and BOOM !! He was seen as a wonder IN HEAVEN !! Location, location, location !! The Beasts are not only signified as per who they are as per their their CROWNS, but we can see who they are by looking at WHERE THEY ARE shown in the vision. Sea.............Heaven................Wilderness.
 
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The Heads are all 7 Beasts............the Daniel prophecy looked from Daniel's time forward, Jesus showed us all 7 Kingdoms looking backwards. Daniel showed 4 Beasts and a LITTLE HORN BEAST which = 5 Beasts.
It says four beasts in the text of Daniel 7. The little horn came up on the fourth beast, in the text.

The little horn is a horn of the fourth beast kingdom in the text. The ten horns on the fourth beast in Daniel 7 and the little horn do not come up on the fourth beast until the end times.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

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In Revelation 17:10 there are 7 kings of the fourth kingdom. There are not any more than one kingdom of those 7 sequential kings.

In keeping with Daniel 7:7-8 and Revelation 17:10, the little horn will be the 7th king of the fourth kingdom. After he is killed, then brought back to life, he will become the 8th king of fourth kingdom.

Follow the chart below.
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The Little Horn is NEVER WOUNDED !! The 6th Head was WOUNDED.......Rome.......the Church delivered that blow because the gates of hell can't prevail against us, thus Rome became a deliverer of the Gospel. When the Church is Raptured, the Anti-Christ will HEAL the Mortal Wound of the 7 Headed Beast by Conquering Jerusalem, thus becoming the 7th Head. The Beast had been dormant for 2000 years with a Wounded Head.
The beast in Revelation 13 is the 8th king of the Roman Empire, is of the Julio Claudian bloodline. Who receives the deadly wound and is healed. The deadly wound is to the person who will have become the 7th king of the Roman Empire.

The world is not going to make an image of the Roman Empire. They are going make an image of the person who was wounded, but lived. And that person has a name, it is the name of a man.

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Where you went wrong RT, you started rationalizing the text around to be something else - kings to kingdoms in Revelation 17:10; and the number of beasts in Daniel 7 from four to five.
 
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It says four beasts in the text of Daniel 7. The little horn came up on the fourth beast, in the text.

The little horn is a horn of the fourth beast kingdom in the text. The ten horns on the fourth beast in Daniel 7 and the little horn do not come up on the fourth beast until the end times.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The Fourth Beast is Dead.........WOUNDED........The 10 Kings and Little Horn that becomes the LAST BEAST arises out of the Fourth Beasts Territory, this isn't that hard to understand, he's called a BEAST in Dan. 7:11 and Rev. 19:20. The first two heads are not named either, so what ?

This is simple man.....7 HEADS that RULED the Mediterranean Sea Region and Israel...LETS SEE.. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome (5 have FALLEN and ONE IS (John sated this) and one is YET TO COME) then comes the Anti-Christ/BEAST/Little Horn, at the end.

Now look above brother and tell me how a logical person can read the above and not see that after the ONE THAT IS..........Rome..........that there is ONE YET TO COME !! The Little Horn/Beast. He's called a BEAST in Dan. 7:11 and Rev. 19:20, long after Rome lost its Dominion, and you say, he's not another BEAST..........................Come on brother !!

In Revelation 17:10 there are 7 kings of the fourth kingdom. There are not any more than one kingdom of those 7 sequential kings.

In keeping with Daniel 7:7-8 and Revelation 17:10, the little horn will be the 7th king of the fourth kingdom. After he is killed, then brought back to life, he will become the 8th king of fourth kingdom.

Follow the chart below.

These Kings represents fallen BEAST POWERS see above, they are Kingdoms REDUCED to fallen Kings, you have never been able to wrap your mind around this it seems because you have said the same thing for a long time. The Little Horn IS NOT the 7th King of the Roman Kingdom, that is why you have always placed 7 Kings from Rome, which is of course incorrect.

The 7 Kings WERE 7 Kingdoms.......what part of that don't you get brother? The one thing I know about you is if you get something in your head 2000 Angels couldn't change your mind.

In Revelation 17:10 there are 7 kings of the fourth kingdom. There are not any more than one kingdom of those 7 sequential kings.

In keeping with Daniel 7:7-8 and Revelation 17:10, the little horn will be the 7th king of the fourth kingdom. After he is killed, then brought back to life, he will become the 8th king of fourth kingdom.

Follow the chart below.
Never says that............not one time. The Kings of the LAST BEAST are the 10 Horns not the 7 Kings who were 7 Heads !!!!
The beast in Revelation 13 is the 8th king of the Roman Empire, is of the Julio Claudian bloodline. Who receives the deadly wound and is healed. The deadly wound is to the person who will have become the 7th king of the Roman Empire.
There is no 8th King, that is Apollyon a Demon.

Where you went wrong RT, you started rationalizing the text around to be something else - kings to kingdoms in Revelation 17:10; and the number of beasts in Daniel 7 from four to five.
That is where you err brother.
 
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The Fourth Beast is Dead.........WOUNDED........The 10 Kings and Little Horn that becomes the LAST BEAST arises out of the Fourth Beasts Territory, this isn't that hard to understand, he's called a BEAST in Dan. 7:11 and Rev. 19:20. The first two heads are not named ether, so what ?
Where are you finding the word "Last" beast spoken of in the bible? What number is that beast that you are referring to? Bible passage?

You also have a conflict because you say the little horn person is born in Greece - which is the third empire in Daniel 7, not the fourth, which is the fourth empire.
 
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Now look above brother and tell me how a logical person can read the above and not see that after the ONE THAT IS..........Rome..........that there is ONE YET TO COME !! The Little Horn/Beast. He's called a BEAST in Dan. 7:11 and Rev. 19:20, long after Rome lost its Dominion, and you say, he's not another BEAST..........................Come on brother !!
Anyone can tell that the mortally wounded and recovered head is talking about a man. Because the person after he comes back to life is worshiped and has an image made of him.
 
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There is no 8th King, that is Apollyon a Demon.
that - what? is Apollyon a Demon?

The text says...seven kings, then eighth - king.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
 
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