Resources on Evolution

Samaritan Woman · Nov 28, 2018

I am an Old Earth Creationist and do not believe in what I've learned is macro-evolution; micro-evolution from what I understand is about gene mutation and natural selection and definitely can be observed and documented. Admittedly I am no science expert!

With that said, I am desiring to read some "pro evolution" articles to give me an idea of what most scientists and non-Creationists believe. Right now I'm already in the middle of a few books but if any of you can suggest a layman's book about the topic I'd be open to reading it in the future. My strength is definitely not science so any resources that get real technical are going to be above my head.

This thread is definitely NOT about debate so please refrain from voicing such opinions.

Nithavela · Nov 28, 2018

Samaritan Woman said:
I am an Old Earth Creationist and do not believe in what I've learned is macro-evolution; micro-evolution from what I understand is about gene mutation and natural selection and definitely can be observed and documented. Admittedly I am no science expert!

With that said, I am desiring to read some "pro evolution" articles to give me an idea of what most scientists and non-Creationists believe. Right now I'm already in the middle of a few books but if any of you can suggest a layman's book about the topic I'd be open to reading it in the future. My strength is definitely not science so any resources that get real technical are going to be above my head.

This thread is definitely NOT about debate so please refrain from voicing such opinions.

https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evoscales_01

Samaritan Woman · Nov 28, 2018

Nithavela said:
Evolution at different scales: micro to macro

Thank you!

Nithavela · Nov 28, 2018

Samaritan Woman said:
Thank you!

It's more of a wiki than an article, but it has many expanatory pictures and comes from a reputable source. It should help you understand the basics.

USincognito · Nov 28, 2018

Some of us can discuss various evidence lines in our own words if that is acceptable to you.

46AND2 · Nov 28, 2018

Samaritan Woman said:
I am an Old Earth Creationist and do not believe in what I've learned is macro-evolution; micro-evolution from what I understand is about gene mutation and natural selection and definitely can be observed and documented. Admittedly I am no science expert!

With that said, I am desiring to read some "pro evolution" articles to give me an idea of what most scientists and non-Creationists believe. Right now I'm already in the middle of a few books but if any of you can suggest a layman's book about the topic I'd be open to reading it in the future. My strength is definitely not science so any resources that get real technical are going to be above my head.

This thread is definitely NOT about debate so please refrain from voicing such opinions.

A question for you to keep in mind as you read about the theory....what is the difference, from a scientific standpoint, between micro and macro evolution?

Samaritan Woman · Nov 28, 2018

USincognito said:
Some of us can discuss various evidence lines in our own words if that is acceptable to you.

I really would prefer this thread not to be a discussion (which will inevitably become a debate) thread. I created it to simply be a place for resources.

Samaritan Woman · Nov 28, 2018

46AND2 said:
A question for you to keep in mind as you read about the theory....what is the difference, from a scientific standpoint, between micro and macro evolution?

From my (limited) understanding, macro-evolution is about how all life derives from a common ancestor as that ancestor arose from amino acids in primordial soup, so to speak. I thought micro-evolution involves genetic mutations and natural selection which can be directly observed. Like I said, I am no scientist!

Just Another User · Nov 28, 2018

Samaritan Woman said:
I am an Old Earth Creationist and do not believe in what I've learned is macro-evolution; micro-evolution from what I understand is about gene mutation and natural selection and definitely can be observed and documented. Admittedly I am no science expert!

With that said, I am desiring to read some "pro evolution" articles to give me an idea of what most scientists and non-Creationists believe. Right now I'm already in the middle of a few books but if any of you can suggest a layman's book about the topic I'd be open to reading it in the future. My strength is definitely not science so any resources that get real technical are going to be above my head.

This thread is definitely NOT about debate so please refrain from voicing such opinions.

I would certainly recommend the items similar to what Nithavela has shown over anything else.

Nevertheless I would choose this: evolution | Theory, Examples, & Facts

Britannica is somewhere I usually go to when I want to know something so I would give it a shot. Not too complicated and there's an abundance of information to learn about the topic. (Use the bar on the left hand side to choose the area/s you'd like to look into).

Something like the evolution sector of Nature.com could be a good read once you've got the basics of evolution understood but you're still not convinced/ interested in more. Even then it's still really heavy.

Evolution - Latest research and news | Nature

I guess would recommend a video on YouTube of Richard Dawkins talking about the evolution on the eye. One of the biggest arguments against Evolution. He's pretty amazing when he stays to his chosen field.

I'll stress again that you'd be better of looking at things like what Nithavela kindly showed us.

Besides all that, this brother has an excellent website on Evolution and deals with some of the theological "problems" of accepting it. A real easy read and great explanations on various issues. I recommend him highly.

Evolution News

Have a great day.

USincognito · Nov 28, 2018

Samaritan Woman said:
I really would prefer this thread not to be a discussion (which will inevitably become a debate) thread. I created it to simply be a place for resources.

Sorry for the unclear verbiage. I meant present information to you in our own words.

46AND2 · Nov 28, 2018

Samaritan Woman said:
From my (limited) understanding, macro-evolution is about how all life derives from a common ancestor as that ancestor arose from amino acids in primordial soup, so to speak. I thought micro-evolution involves genetic mutations and natural selection which can be directly observed. Like I said, I am no scientist!

No worries. Just a question to keep in mind as you go. When the answer clicks, you'll know why I asked.

Samaritan Woman · Nov 28, 2018

USincognito said:
Sorry for the unclear verbiage. I meant present information to you in our own words.

No worries! Yes, you can present information in your own words.

USincognito · Nov 28, 2018

Samaritan Woman said:
No worries! Yes, you can present information in your own words.

Awesome.

Here's a few observations from genetics supporting common ancestry:
203,000 endogenous retrieval insertions shared by humans and chimpanzees
Human chromosome 2 is a fusion of chimpanzee 2a and 2b.
All Haplorhine primates share a broken GULO gene for vitamin C production inherited from a common ancestor.
Whales have a broken Sonic Hedgehog/Hand2 pathway for hind limb development inherited from a common ancestor.
All placental and marsupial mammals have vitellogenin pseudogenes for egg yolk sac development.

That Guy 11200 · Nov 28, 2018

Evolution: What the fossils say and why it matters

https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Wh...231180640/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

DogmaHunter · Nov 28, 2018

Samaritan Woman said:
micro-evolution from what I understand is about gene mutation and natural selection and definitely can be observed and documented.

Macro evolution is exactly the same, just spanning more generations.

It's like walking a certain distance, where 10m is a micro-distance and 5 km is a macro-distance. It is the exact same process: step by step. Left right, left right.
The macro -distance is just taking more steps. It is the same process: walking.

With that said, I am desiring to read some "pro evolution" articles to give me an idea of what most scientists and non-Creationists believe. Right now I'm already in the middle of a few books but if any of you can suggest a layman's book about the topic I'd be open to reading it in the future.

I can recommend a book which I found to be very comprehensive and written especially for people like you, who don't necessarily have a firm grasp of key concepts etc already.

It's called "The Greatest Show on Earth" by prof Richard Dawkins.
Don't cringe by reading that name please.

Before becoming a bitter old militant atheist, he was an excellent evolutionary biologist and a great author.

I'm sure there are other great works as well, but I think this one would be very good for you because next to being very informative and comprehensive regarding biological evolution, he also tackles many creationist claims and explains how they are either wrong or dishonest.

So, it's 2 flies in one hit, sort of speaking.
You'll learn how evolution works and in the process, it will explain why what you believe is actually wrong as well.

https://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/1416594795

My strength is definitely not science so any resources that get real technical are going to be above my head.

Precisely why I'll recommend the greatest show on earth. It's not technical at all.

This thread is definitely NOT about debate so please refrain from voicing such opinions.

Fair enough. I just had to address the micro/macro thingy though.....

Samaritan Woman · Nov 28, 2018

USincognito said:
Awesome.

Here's a few observations from genetics supporting common ancestry:
203,000 endogenous retrieval insertions shared by humans and chimpanzees
Human chromosome 2 is a fusion of chimpanzee 2a and 2b.
All Haplorhine primates share a broken GULO gene for vitamin C production inherited from a common ancestor.
Whales have a broken Sonic Hedgehog/Hand2 pathway for hind limb development inherited from a common ancestor.
All placental and marsupial mammals have vitellogenin pseudogenes for egg yolk sac development.

While I appreciate your post, it is quite over my head with terms with which I am unfamiliar. Can you break it down by chance?

Samaritan Woman · Nov 28, 2018

That Guy 11200 said:
Evolution: What the fossils say and why it matters

https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Wh...231180640/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Thank you for the book recommendation. I viewed it and read the comments and found that some readers stated the author was always criticizing and ranting against creationists throughout the book. Do you by chance know of another book where it's just about the facts about evolution in an easy to understand way?

Speedwell · Nov 28, 2018

Samaritan Woman said:
Thank you for the book recommendation. I viewed it and read the comments and found that some readers stated the author was always criticizing and ranting against creationists throughout the book. Do you by chance know of another book where it's just about the facts about evolution in an easy to understand way?

Try "What Evolution Is" by the late Ernst Mayr. This is an older book now, and does not include the latest discoveries, but it covers the key concepts and is targeted to the intelligent layman. Mayr was not burned as often by creationists as Dawkins, so his attitude is better. You might also like "The Language of God" by Francis Collins. It's a book about evolutionary genetics, again, written for the layman. Collins is a Christian as well as being a leading scientist in evolutionary biology.

juvenissun · Nov 28, 2018

Samaritan Woman said:
I am an Old Earth Creationist and do not believe in what I've learned is macro-evolution; micro-evolution from what I understand is about gene mutation and natural selection and definitely can be observed and documented. Admittedly I am no science expert!

With that said, I am desiring to read some "pro evolution" articles to give me an idea of what most scientists and non-Creationists believe. Right now I'm already in the middle of a few books but if any of you can suggest a layman's book about the topic I'd be open to reading it in the future. My strength is definitely not science so any resources that get real technical are going to be above my head.

This thread is definitely NOT about debate so please refrain from voicing such opinions.

You do know that anything CAN be argued in two opposite ways and both side could give many "evidences" for their arguments. Right?

If so, you should NOT ask for pro-evolution articles to read, particularly you are not good in science. The Lord clearly tell us not to argue with satan. Because you WILL lose the argument even satan is all wrong.

Speedwell · Nov 28, 2018

juvenissun said:
You do know that anything CAN be argued in two opposite ways and both side could give many "evidences" for their arguments. Right?

If so, you should NOT ask for pro-evolution articles to read, particularly you are not good in science. The Lord clearly tell us not to argue with satan. Because you WILL lose the argument even satan is all wrong.

The books I suggested were written to provide a clear explanation to intelligent laymen of what the theory of evolution claims and why scientists think those claims are true. One was written by a Christian. Is that what you mean by "pro-evolution?"

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