Sorry, but Rev. 5 is a different book: it is the book of the 70th week of Daniel. When judgment comes, each person's own book will be opened, and the book of Life.
Absolutely possible. No arguments there.
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Sorry, but Rev. 5 is a different book: it is the book of the 70th week of Daniel. When judgment comes, each person's own book will be opened, and the book of Life.
Paul did not use the words transgression of desolation. But the description of the act by the person in 2Thessalonians2:4 constitutes it - whether Paul quoted those words or not from Daniel 8:13.
I posted a post that shows where and why the Anti-Christ must be born in Greece.And I disagree, for the reasons I stated:
1.) the horn from Daniel 7 comes from the 4th WORLD WIDE kingdom
The horn from Daniel 8 comes from the 3rd WORLD WIDE kingdom
2.) the horn from Daniel 7 tramples the holy people for a time, times, and half a time
The horn from Daniel 8 tramples the holy people for 2,300 evenings and mornings
**2 different origins, 2 different lengths of trampling God's people.
There are only 4 world empires listed on the statue, not 5. Rome would have been the last world empire. The saints were to receive the kingdom of God during the 4th world wide empire:
Daniel 2:44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people.
Daniel 9:27 And the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High;
And would you look at that, the author of Hebrews states that they were receiving (present tense) a kingdom during the 1st century (roman empire 4th kingdom)
Hebrews 12:28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken,
Oh, and Jesus even states the kingdom of God has come near, this would have been in the 1st century during the 4th world kingdom (rome).
Mark 1:15 The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”
I don't do "THEORIES" I was actually called to Prophecy/preaching over 30 years ago.These end time theories are a dime a dozen.
No sir, God gave us a FORERUNNER so that we will know the Anti-Christ/Beast (or so the Jews will understand) and thus understand who he is, and I see Jason as a forerunner to the False Prophet. Why do you think we get a rundown of ALL these Greek Kings and Syrian Wars but basically get no Roman Kings named ? The Anti-Christ is going to be born in Greece !! And hes going to be an Assyrian (Turkish descent). That is why we get the RUNDOWN of all the Greek Kings and the Syrian War Battles between the KOTN and the KOTS.So it's just a coincidence that the history of Greece, the 4 kingdoms that Greece split into, and the rise of Antiochus epiphanes, near the end of the Seleucid empire (a greek kingdom by the way) to trample the Jews fits perfectly with Daniel 8? I disagree.
This visions of Daniel 7 and 8 are not back to back, there are separated by at least 2 years.
Daniel 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon
Daniel 8:1 In the third year of King Belshazzar’s reign,
You should be more specific. The little horn person is the 7th head of the 7 heads, representing kings of the fourth empire.Four Beasts with Rome being the fourth. Then a Little Horn arises in the End Time with 10 Kings. He's the last Beast and the last head of Rev. 7. The LAST BEAST is a MAN !! That's why you can't find the Little Horn in Rev. 13, ever wonder why there are only 10 horns ? Because the Little Horn is the LAST HEAD !!
Paul did not use the words transgression of desolation.
But the description of the act by the person in 2Thessalonians2:4 constitutes it -
whether Paul quoted those words or not from Daniel 8:13.
It is certain that Antiochus became a TYPE of the Beast. That does not mean that verses in Daniel pretaining to Antiochus are a prophecy of The beast in our future; it only means it was a prophecy concerning Antiochus.Paul did not use the words transgression of desolation. But the description of the act by the person in 2Thessalonians2:4 constitutes it - whether Paul quoted those words or not from Daniel 8:13.
Exactly! This forum has many posts with unsupported theories.Correct, we agree.
I would argue if Paul was, in fact, talking about Daniel 8, he would have quoted it. The fact stands that he didn't.
Paul appears to quote Daniel 11:36, I believe we can agree on this.
Daniel 11:36 The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods.
2 thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped,
Arguments rely on evidence, Douggg. You want to make a solid case for you opinion that Paul is talking about Daniel 8? Then provide scripture that shows Paul clearly quoting from Daniel 8. Otherwise, your just posting unsupported theories.
Paul was not quoting Daniel 11:36. It is certainly the same person as in 2Thesslaonians2:4, and Daniel 8:13, and Daniel 7:25, and Daniel 9:26b-27. In Daniel 11:36, it is the person after he has become the beast.Paul appears to quote Daniel 11:36, I believe we can agree on this.
Daniel 11:36 The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods.
2 thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped,
Paul was not quoting Daniel 11:36. It is certainly the same person as in 2Thesslaonians2:4, and Daniel 8:13, and Daniel 7:25, and Daniel 9:26b-27. In Daniel 11:36, it is the person after he has become the beast.
Daniel 8:13 pertains to 2Thessalonians2:4, because 2Thessalonians2:4 is an act. To reveal the person as the man of sin. Before that act, he thought to be something else - which being thought of the messiah by the Jews.
In the 2Thessalonians2:4 act, it involves the temple as in Daniel 8:13, which the temple will eventually be cleansed of both the person, and the abomination of desolation, the image made of him - at Jesus's return, when in Daniel 8:25 he trys to stand up against Jesus.
If you follow this chart, it gives the path of the person, starting with being the little horn, until his end as the beast. I should probably improve the size of some of the visuals and note 2Thessalionians2:4 beside of the transgression of desolation ellipse.
There are some verses in Daniel 11 that pertain to Antiochus, but not Daniel 8. The person in Daniel 8, destroys many by peace and stands up to the Prince of Princes.It is certain that Antiochus became a TYPE of the Beast. That does not mean that verses in Daniel pretaining to Antiochus are a prophecy of The beast in our future; it only means it was a prophecy concerning Antiochus.
There is a 5th Kingdom in Dan. 7
The Holy people being Conquered, overrun for 1260 days, shows that the Beast rules for 1260 days.
There are clearly 5 Beasts, only four is numbered as such,
but I also think the 70th week could have happened 2000 years ago if Israel had of accepted Jesus.
the 70th week could have happened 2000 years ago if Israel had of accepted Jesus. THINK ABOUT IT......Take out the Church Age and the statue fits perfectly, the Beasts fit perfectly, the 70th week happens via the 70 AD event and Jesus saves Israel, who have repented at that time, but they would not accept Jesus nor repent, and of course God knew that before hand, thus he know the Church Age would be inserted.
The Kingdom of God is from WITHIN.
I don't do "THEORIES" I was actually called to Prophecy/preaching over 30 years ago.
No sir, God gave us a FORERUNNER so that we will know the Anti-Christ/Beast
He is born in Greece, hes a Turk, and an Atheist, and he's a Subject of the E.U. He thus fits all the criteria.
They are the SAME MAN
The little horn person does come out of the 4th beast of Daniel 7.I don't know if your chart is correct or not, but I do at least agree with a lot of your commentary in this post.
Daniel 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
Verse 9 says----And out of one of them came forth a little horn. Out of which one though? Would you agree or disagree that Daniel 7:7 tells which of the 4 the little horn comes out of?
Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Would it not be this one? The 4th one, the fourth beast.
Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
The 10 horns are part of the fourth beast, and if this little horn came up among them, Daniel 8:9 is apparently referring to the 4th beast in Daniel 7, that beast being which of the 4 he comes out of. If not, how else might we determine which of the 4 he comes out of? Is that supposed to remain a mystery, or should we assume we are told somewhere or another precisely which of the 4 he comes out of?
You are confusing a TYPE with an ANTI-TYPE. Moreover, you are pulling verses out of their context. The entire chapter of Daniel 8 is about Medo-Persia first, then Greece. There are many verses that prove this. This was future to Daniel when he wrote it, but it is history to us today.Paul was not quoting Daniel 11:36. It is certainly the same person as in 2Thesslaonians2:4, and Daniel 8:13, and Daniel 7:25, and Daniel 9:26b-27. In Daniel 11:36, it is the person after he has become the beast.
Daniel 8:13 pertains to 2Thessalonians2:4, because 2Thessalonians2:4 is an act. To reveal the person as the man of sin. Before that act, he thought to be something else - which being thought of the messiah by the Jews.
In the 2Thessalonians2:4 act, it involves the temple as in Daniel 8:13, which the temple will eventually be cleansed of both the person, and the abomination of desolation, the image made of him - at Jesus's return, when in Daniel 8:25 he trys to stand up against Jesus.
If you follow this chart, it gives the path of the person, starting with being the little horn, until his end as the beast. I should probably improve the size of some of the visuals and note 2Thessalionians2:4 beside of the transgression of desolation ellipse.
Antiochus committed what is called the abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31.I will agree, Antiochus did commit an abomination, and in doing so became a type of the Beast of Rev. 13. Did it not occur to you that just Antiochus BEING in the temple was an abomination?
Antiochus committed what is called the abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31.
But I would not call Antiochus himself as a proto-type of the beast in Revelation 13. Antiochus was humiliated when he was forced to turn back by the Roman representative, when Antiochus was on his way to depose the king of Egypt.
Exhibiting a different characteristic than Antiochus, the beast in Revelation 13, the same person in Daniel 8 in the later stage of his time, is not defeated by anyone except by Jesus at the Lord's return.
Paul was not quoting Daniel 11:36.
It is certainly the same person as in 2Thesslaonians2:4, and Daniel 8:13, and Daniel 7:25, and Daniel 9:26b-27.
Daniel 8:13 pertains to 2Thessalonians2:4, because 2Thessalonians2:4 is an act.
Incorrect. IF Daniel 8 did pertain to 2 thessalonians 2:4, Paul would have simply quoted Daniel 8. But he doesn't. Instead, he quotes Daniel 11:36. Daniel 8 occurred and was fulfilled over 2,000 years ago.
Daniel 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
Verse 9 says----And out of one of them came forth a little horn. Out of which one though? Would you agree or disagree that Daniel 7:7 tells which of the 4 the little horn comes out of?
I will give you this: you have an amazing imagination - imagining things the scripture does not.Antiochus committed what is called the abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31.
But I would not call Antiochus himself as a proto-type of the beast in Revelation 13. Antiochus was humiliated when he was forced to turn back by the Roman representative, when Antiochus was on his way to depose the king of Egypt.
Exhibiting a different characteristic than Antiochus, the beast in Revelation 13, the same person in Daniel 8 in the later stage of his time, is not defeated by anyone except by Jesus at the Lord's return.