Why does Paul make such out of context quotes from the OT in Hebrews?

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Paul constantly refers to Jeremiah and the Psalms on Hebrews but if you go and look at them, contextually, they don't make any sense? What is the reason Paul quotes these scriptures out of context?

It would help if you would post the verses.

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First of all we do not even know if Paul wrote Hebrews. It would be helpful to posts the verses in question, as well.
 
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Paul constantly refers to Jeremiah and the Psalms on Hebrews but if you go and look at them, contextually, they don't make any sense? What is the reason Paul quotes these scriptures out of context?
The Septuagint text lines up better when referencing the Apostles in the NT than the Masoretic text because that's the text that was available to then at that time.
 
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Don't take this the wrong way, but if it's a choice between Paul taking the OT verses out of context vs. you thinking it doesn't make sense, I'll put my money on Paul. I'm old enough to have realized that if things in the Bible don't make sense to me, it isn't the Bible that's wrong, but it's my understanding that's wrong.
 
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You can present an example. But if there is a major difference between the context of the original and how Paul uses it > I have accepted . . . assumed . . . it can be like how the same word can have very different uses.

For me, assuming can be easier, but maybe too lazy; so go right ahead and share a specific scripture, please :)

I think of how you can have a situation and understand it according to the context you are aware of. But God is able to use it for better than what it has seemed to you; for a situation there is context which God knows but you do not know. So, like this, I can see how God could use an earlier inspired writing for His current meaning of that time, but later with a different meaning or application.

Thank you . . . God bless you :)
Bill
 
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Paul constantly refers to Jeremiah and the Psalms on Hebrews but if you go and look at them, contextually, they don't make any sense? What is the reason Paul quotes these scriptures out of context?
Would you like to, within the proper context, present your argument? Right now all I am seeing is an assertion.
 
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There are multiple levels of meaning in Hebrew scripture. What may not make sense on one level may make perfect sense in another.

If you notice, the gospel writers do the same thing with the Messianic prophecies.
 
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Paul constantly refers to Jeremiah and the Psalms on Hebrews but if you go and look at them, contextually, they don't make any sense? What is the reason Paul quotes these scriptures out of context?
They are probably not out of context. I quote Jeremiah too because there are a lot of great verses there, like this, Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord. Jeremiah 17:5 or Jeremiah 17:7-8 Jeremiah also speaks about, the fountain of living water. A lot of great scripture in Jeremiah and the Psalms about how, the Word, operates. Jesus too quoted Old Testament verses, of course it was the Septuagint, Torah or other sacred writings. Jesus came to clarify the scriptures and show us that indeed God's Word is living, he was the embodiment of the Word, filled with power. It quickens me just talking about it, so exciting!
Paul constantly refers to Jeremiah and the Psalms on Hebrews but if you go and look at them, contextually, they don't make any sense? What is the reason Paul quotes these scriptures out of context?
 
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Paul constantly refers to Jeremiah and the Psalms on Hebrews but if you go and look at them, contextually, they don't make any sense? What is the reason Paul quotes these scriptures out of context?
Because that is how prophecy is supposed to be read. I have no doubt Paul knew what he was doing(being filled with the holy spirit).
 
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Reading Paul's writings often requires extra dose of care, wisdom, understanding, and experience.

When I was new Christian and young, I found Paul's writings almost unintelligible. I couldn't understand it at all, I skipped reading them when I did my personal Bible reading.

Only when I got older after lots of experiences and gained knowledge did I understood Paul's writings better.

Many have tried with little understanding and have led many astray.
 
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There are multiple levels of meaning in Hebrew scripture. What may not make sense on one level may make perfect sense in another.

If you notice, the gospel writers do the same thing with the Messianic prophecies.

So far, each time I've looked up one of the footnote cross references from the 4 gospels back to the OT, and read the OT passage, the gospel use of it makes good or perfect sense. What do you have in mind?
 
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So far, each time I've looked up one of the footnote cross references from the 4 gospels back to the OT, and read the OT passage, the gospel use of it makes good or perfect sense. What do you have in mind?
Specifically in Chapter 1:5-13, 2:5-8;12-14, 7:17-22, and finally 10:5-7. I went and read these (the majority of them in the Psalms) and most of them seem pretty clear to me they are either David praising God for His grace, that he (David), a mere shephard, was chosen by God and how wonderful God is because of His grace. The others are sung by the Sons of Korah and sound like hymns of praise to me. I don't mean to post this to be assertive, I have just been under attack by the enemy lately and this is one the things that's been troubling my spirit.
 
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Which verses? Please give us the references so we can take a look.

Thanks!

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Chapter 1:5-13, 2:5-8;12-14, 7:17-22, and finally 10:5-7. I'm confused about the context in which Paul is using them related to their original context in the Psalms and Deuteronomy. I want to learn why hes using these in the context he writes to better understand this Epistle.
 
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They are probably not out of context. I quote Jeremiah too because there are a lot of great verses there, like this, Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord. Jeremiah 17:5 or Jeremiah 17:7-8 Jeremiah also speaks about, the fountain of living water. A lot of great scripture in Jeremiah and the Psalms about how, the Word, operates. Jesus too quoted Old Testament verses, of course it was the Septuagint, Torah or other sacred writings. Jesus came to clarify the scriptures and show us that indeed God's Word is living, he was the embodiment of the Word, filled with power. It quickens me just talking about it, so exciting!
That's very helpful, thank you!
 
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Would you like to, within the proper context, present your argument? Right now all I am seeing is an assertion.
Certainly! I didn't mean to sound assertive, rather just looking for answers to my question. Chapter 1:5-13, 2:5-8;12-14, 7:17-22, and finally 10:5-7 are ones that I sort of struggle with trying to see them in their original context in the OT versus the way Paul uses them in context in the NT. I guess I don't really have an arguement, just more of a question on why is Paul using these scriptures in the context he is, and if he meant to say, "These scriptures were LITERALLY talking about [to] Christ" or whether he is saying "these were the things foreshadowed in the OT, and we can apply these quotes from the Word to the Word become flesh." if that makes sense?
 
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Don't take this the wrong way, but if it's a choice between Paul taking the OT verses out of context vs. you thinking it doesn't make sense, I'll put my money on Paul. I'm old enough to have realized that if things in the Bible don't make sense to me, it isn't the Bible that's wrong, but it's my understanding that's wrong.
Not taken the wrong way at all, I definately agree with you, but sometimes the enemy can get inside your head and make you ask too many questions instead of just trusting.
 
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First of all we do not even know if Paul wrote Hebrews. It would be helpful to posts the verses in question, as well.
Yes, thank you, I know this. But I also do know that they think Paul most likely wrote this book.
 
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