Why I take paganism seriously.

Ancient of Days · Nov 27, 2018

Romans 10:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

AskTheFamily · Nov 27, 2018

O man, please not resurrection topic, this is not the topic.

Ancient of Days · Nov 27, 2018

Sure it is: There is a war going on for the souls of men, including yours...

AskTheFamily · Nov 27, 2018

Ancient of Days said:
Sure it is: There is a war going on for the souls of men, including yours...

lol now that's on topic.

Ancient of Days · Nov 27, 2018

So again I say unto thee: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

AskTheFamily · Nov 27, 2018

Sure bro, I get it. Now let's have a discussion and not use circular reasoning or anything like that to talk about the way forward.

It's not to going to convince smart people here and it's only going to rally stupid people if it does rally them.

Jane_the_Bane · Nov 27, 2018

AskTheFamily said:
Sure bro, I get it. Now let's have a discussion and not use circular reasoning or anything like that to talk about the way forward.

It's not to going to convince smart people here and it's only going to rally stupid people if it does rally them.

Ah, the irony of seeing religious people notice the absurd circular reasoning in rival religions, but not in their own. Priceless.

Rajni · Nov 27, 2018

AskTheFamily said:
God feels more intense sadness then all, but is not harmed by it, nor his peace disturbed. God feels the greatest pleasure to good deeds, but isn't increase in peace by it, rather he is absolute peace by which peace descends and comes from to whence it returns and ascends to.

This is how I see Him, as well, that He is pure bliss, and in a state of pure bliss. My perspective on that was influenced by Hinduism, for the most part.

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Jane_the_Bane · Nov 27, 2018

AskTheFamily said:
Why are people so fixated that everything has to happen as God expects or he is not God? I want to understand rationally.

Because that is what being omniscient and omnipotent means, darling. You must be very confused not to recognise this.
I've seen people rationalise and diminish omniscience as God merely knowing everything except the future and our free-willed decisions, but even that entails a degree of insight that makes the kind of surprise (and ensuing failed contingency plans) impossible.
If I knew your every thought and unconscious impulse right now, nothing that you say or do could ever surprise me. And even if I deliberately kept myself from manipulating you to do whatever I want, I would be able to anticipate your every thought and action.

So, if there was an omniscient, omnipotent deity, it would be impossible for them not to know (or to be unable to fix it unfailingly).

AskTheFamily · Nov 27, 2018

Jane_the_Bane said:
Ah, the irony of seeing religious people notice the absurd circular reasoning in rival religions, but not in their own. Priceless.

I don't rely on circular reasoning except that love iterates itself to understand itself, that's the only good use of circular reasoning.

AskTheFamily · Nov 27, 2018

Jane_the_Bane said:
Because that is what being omniscient and omnipotent means, darling. You must be very confused not to recognise this.
I've seen people rationalise and diminish omniscience as God merely knowing everything except the future and our free-willed decisions, but even that entails a degree of insight that makes the kind of surprise (and ensuing failed contingency plans) impossible.
If I knew your every thought and unconscious impulse right now, nothing that you say or do could ever surprise me. And even if I deliberately kept myself from manipulating you to do whatever I want, I would be able to anticipate your every thought and action.

So, if there was an omniscient, omnipotent deity, it would be impossible for them not to know (or to be unable to fix it unfailingly).

It's not only decisions that we make, he decides in real time what to do.

CherubRam · Nov 27, 2018

awitch said:
So your god doesn't know what I'm thinking right now? Then he's not all powerful.

Every little thing about us is recorded.

AskTheFamily · Nov 27, 2018

Future is yet to be written, both our decisions and the decisions of God happen in real time.

AskTheFamily · Nov 27, 2018

RayJeena said:
This is how I see Him, as well, that He is pure bliss, and in a state of pure bliss. My perspective on that was influenced by Hinduism, for the most part.

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I don't believe in hell or paradise or God is bliss because Quran says so, I rather see this as conditions of Quran being true, it's necessary Quran proves these things, but it's not necessarily so that if Quran proves this, that the Quran is ALL true.

Quran is falsifiable in a greater degree then any book I know, but yet, all of it despite the sorcery cast that mistranslates it, is perfect reasoning.

However what proves it to be from God is the consistent nature of it's guidance that is a rope to God that iterates itself over and over again, each level being a big surprise that we didn't ever expect the book to be.

awitch · Nov 27, 2018

CherubRam said:
Every little thing about us is recorded.

You mean prerecorded.

AskTheFamily · Nov 27, 2018

awitch said:
You mean prerecorded.

Nope bro, try again!

Jane_the_Bane · Nov 27, 2018

AskTheFamily said:
It's not only decisions that we make, he decides in real time what to do.

As I pointed out before, even with these limitations you put on omniscience and omnipotence, it'd be a LONG way removed from a constantly frustrated and grieving deity who is now on Their nth backup plan and sees one after the other fail because mortals do not act as They expect them to.

AskTheFamily · Nov 27, 2018

Jane the Bane, I don't see it. God sadness is beautiful just as his laughter, he is what makes us laugh and cry after all.

AskTheFamily · Nov 27, 2018

By the way what is Quran but frustrated tears and hopeful joys he wishes humanity to listen to, we didn't pay heed to the warnings, nor did we see it's sad tone, but it rather made our hearts hard, and we abandon the very household of guidance it called to again and again.

AskTheFamily · Nov 27, 2018

And when God proved things, he did so in a very compassionate far reaching way. But keep going to other doors then his doors "where will you go?".

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