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You know that I highly regard all scripture for doctrine, reoroof, instruction, rebuke, teaching, and scripture is given by God.
But to understand scripture is to have God working in you and leading you and the anointing which teaches us all things
No man can know the things of God unless the Spirit reveals them.
When Jesus confronted the Pharisees they thought they had eternal life by thier reading of scripture but Jesus said they testify of me. They did not understand Jesus speech eve because they did not hear His word or have His word abiding in them.
I agree for the most part with you here, brother. I believe Scripture says that the Pharisees did not understand Christ's speech because they did not obey God's teachings to begin with. 1 Timothy 6:3-4 says any man who does not agree with the words of the Lord Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness is proud and knows nothing. John 3:19-20 says that all who do evil hate the light because their deeds were evil. To abide in His Word is to obey what His Word says. Back in the time of Jesus and His apostles they had both written and the audible voice of God. I don't believe that to be the case today (Although I am open to correction by God's Word of course).
You said:But we do read of other gifting such as apostles and prophets who did not write down every word they spoke or add it to scripture. God only put certain books in scripture. There were many other apostles and prophets in the church but only a few wrote books that God put in scripture. No doubt all the apostles and prophets heard from God often and spoke as they were led and spoke many things in Christ. But not all is written down.
In fact John even days why he limited the book God has him wrote
John 21 - 25. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.”
Everything Jesus said is equal to scripture he is God manifest in the flesh. Yet we don’t have all his words and deeds recorded in scripture as John said.
God bless Jason
I agree that there are other books mentioned in the Bible that we do not get to see. Here is a list I compiled with a little help from an article I read a long time ago.
The Different Books Mentioned in the Bible:
A. Heavenly Books:
#1. The Word of God.
#2. The Lamb's Book of Life.
#3. The Book of Remembrance.
#4. Unnamed Book That Has All Our Members Written Within It.
#5. The Book (Scroll) of the Seven Seals.
#6. Unnamed Books of Judgment.
#7. The Unnamed Little Books That Ezekiel and John Eat.
#2. The Lamb's Book of Life.
#3. The Book of Remembrance.
#4. Unnamed Book That Has All Our Members Written Within It.
#5. The Book (Scroll) of the Seven Seals.
#6. Unnamed Books of Judgment.
#7. The Unnamed Little Books That Ezekiel and John Eat.
B. Earthly Books:
I. Spiritual and or Prophetic:
#1. Samuel's Book of the Manner of the Kingdom.
#2. The Book of Nathan the Prophet.
#3. The Book of Gad the Seer.
#4. The Acts of Solomon.
#5. Solomon's Many Other Proverbs and Songs.
#6. The Prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite.
#7. The Story of the Prophet Iddo.
#8. The Visions of Iddo the Seer.
#9. The Book of Shemaiah the Prophet.
#10. The Sayings of the Seers.
#11. Paul's Earlier Epistle to the Corinthians About Fornication.
#1. Samuel's Book of the Manner of the Kingdom.
#2. The Book of Nathan the Prophet.
#3. The Book of Gad the Seer.
#4. The Acts of Solomon.
#5. Solomon's Many Other Proverbs and Songs.
#6. The Prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite.
#7. The Story of the Prophet Iddo.
#8. The Visions of Iddo the Seer.
#9. The Book of Shemaiah the Prophet.
#10. The Sayings of the Seers.
#11. Paul's Earlier Epistle to the Corinthians About Fornication.
II. Historical:
#1. The Book of the Living.
#2. The Book of the Wars of the Lord.
#3. The Book of Jasher.
#4. David's Letter to Joab.
#5. The Book of Jehu.
#6. Jehu's 1st Letter to Samaria.
#7. Jehu's 2nd Letter to Samaria.
#8. Unfinished Record of Princes Not Added to Chronicles.
#9. Writings of David and Solomon on Passover Keepings.
#10. Actions of King Uzziah Not Recorded in the Book of Isaiah.
#11. Mordecai's Purim Announcement Letter to the Jews.
#12. Esther & Mordecai's 2nd Confirmation Letter of Purim.
#2. The Book of the Wars of the Lord.
#3. The Book of Jasher.
#4. David's Letter to Joab.
#5. The Book of Jehu.
#6. Jehu's 1st Letter to Samaria.
#7. Jehu's 2nd Letter to Samaria.
#8. Unfinished Record of Princes Not Added to Chronicles.
#9. Writings of David and Solomon on Passover Keepings.
#10. Actions of King Uzziah Not Recorded in the Book of Isaiah.
#11. Mordecai's Purim Announcement Letter to the Jews.
#12. Esther & Mordecai's 2nd Confirmation Letter of Purim.
C. Possible Other Books.
I. Heavenly Books:
#1. The Book of the Living.
#2. Library (Larger Than Earth) on the Complete Life of Jesus.
#2. Library (Larger Than Earth) on the Complete Life of Jesus.
II. Earthly Books:
#1. The Book of the Kings of Israel.
#2. The Book of the Kings of Judah.
#3. The Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel.
#4. The Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah.
#2. The Book of the Kings of Judah.
#3. The Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel.
#4. The Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah.
D. God's People Revealing Past New Oral Prophecies:
#1. Writer of Hebrews Reveals a New Oral Prophecy of Jesus.
#2. Jude Reveals an Unknown New Oral Prophecy of Enoch.
#2. Jude Reveals an Unknown New Oral Prophecy of Enoch.
E. Secular or Wordly Writings in God's Word:
I. God's People Verbally Quoting Secular Writings:
#1. Paul Quotes an Inscription on an Athenian Altar.
#2. Paul Quotes Epimenides' de Oraculis.
#3. Paul Quotes Aratus' Phaenomena (A Poem).
#4. Paul Quotes Menander's Poetry.
#5. Paul Quotes Epimenides' Paradox.
#2. Paul Quotes Epimenides' de Oraculis.
#3. Paul Quotes Aratus' Phaenomena (A Poem).
#4. Paul Quotes Menander's Poetry.
#5. Paul Quotes Epimenides' Paradox.
II. Secular Works Transcribed (In Part or In It's Entirety):
#1. Jezebel's Letters to the Officials of Naboth's City.
#2. Sennacherib's Letter to Hezekiah.
#3. Huram's Letter to Solomon.
#4. Shemaiah's Letter to Zephaniah on the Exile Prophecy.
#5. King Cyrus's Proclamation to All His Kingdom.
#6. Enemies of Judah Led by 3 Men Write a Letter to Artaxerxes.
#7. Artaxerxes Letter in Reply to the 3 Men.
#8. Govenor Tatnai Writes to Darius About the Jews Rebuilding.
#9. Darius' Decree to Help Rebuild the Temple.
#10. Artaxerxe's Approval Letter to Ezra to Rebuild the Wall.
#11. Sanballat Threatens Nehemiah to Stop Building the Wall.
#12. Chief Captain Claudius Lysias' Letter to Governor Felix.
#2. Sennacherib's Letter to Hezekiah.
#3. Huram's Letter to Solomon.
#4. Shemaiah's Letter to Zephaniah on the Exile Prophecy.
#5. King Cyrus's Proclamation to All His Kingdom.
#6. Enemies of Judah Led by 3 Men Write a Letter to Artaxerxes.
#7. Artaxerxes Letter in Reply to the 3 Men.
#8. Govenor Tatnai Writes to Darius About the Jews Rebuilding.
#9. Darius' Decree to Help Rebuild the Temple.
#10. Artaxerxe's Approval Letter to Ezra to Rebuild the Wall.
#11. Sanballat Threatens Nehemiah to Stop Building the Wall.
#12. Chief Captain Claudius Lysias' Letter to Governor Felix.
III. Secular Works Mentioned By Name But Not Shown:
#1. Benhadad's Letter to the King of Israel.
#2. Berodachbaladan's Letters to Hezekiah.
#3. Artaxerxe's Letters to Nehemiah in Rebuilding the Wall.
#4. Tobaiah & the Judean Noble's Letters Sent to Nehemiah.
#5. The Chronicles of the Kings of Media and Persia.
#6. Xerxe's Unintended Decree (By Haman) to Kill the Jews.
#7. Xerxe's Decree for the Jews to Protect Themselves.
#8. High Priest's Letters Enabling Saul to Round-up Christians.
#2. Berodachbaladan's Letters to Hezekiah.
#3. Artaxerxe's Letters to Nehemiah in Rebuilding the Wall.
#4. Tobaiah & the Judean Noble's Letters Sent to Nehemiah.
#5. The Chronicles of the Kings of Media and Persia.
#6. Xerxe's Unintended Decree (By Haman) to Kill the Jews.
#7. Xerxe's Decree for the Jews to Protect Themselves.
#8. High Priest's Letters Enabling Saul to Round-up Christians.
Please take note that these are actual books (scrolls), writings, or letters mentioned in the Bible. I had verses for each one of these books, but the forum I had posted this one on had taken down a lot of their old posts.
Anyways, I believe God's Word is settled in Heaven. The complete Word of God (everything written, and spoken, and done by God) is found up in Heaven written down. But I believe God gave us those words that were necessary for His church today. Noah was given certain words by God that were meant for Him, and we are given words today that are meant for us (i.e. His church).
As for the gifts of prophecy and tongues:
I believe these have ceased because we have a more sure word of prophecy (i.e. the commandments that come from Jesus and His followers in the New Testament). 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says all Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable to lead every man perfect unto every good work. So what does a new revelation like a prophecy and tongue serve if one can already be perfect by God moving in our life by His Word? What new revelation can add to that? The Scriptures say that the Jews required a sign. This is why prophecies and tongues existed during the early days of the church. When Israel scattered in 70AD and mankind would soon have a complete Bible (Especially with the printing process), they would have something that no other man ever had in human history. The Bible. An amazing and beautiful revelation for God's people today. God talks to us with His Word. If a voice (Whether it be an inner voice or an audible voice) seeks to tell us something outside of God's Word, it is false. This is what I mean when I say that we cannot listen to an inner voice alone that is without the backing of Scripture. Everything we do spiritually is in line with God's Word (the Bible) we have today. God could have added more to that revelation or He could have given us less. But I believe He gave us just what we needed in God's Word today to hear His voice.
Love you, brother;
And I hope you understand where I am coming from.
Peace and blessings to you in the Lord today.
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