The Basis of God's Judgment

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So you base your confidence on a feeling?
Great question. You can't really "base" something that is natural in origin. Confidence is our intended natural state, so God is restoring us to our original mindset that of which Adam and Eve held prior to eating the Golden Delicious apple, as well as Jesus. Weakness and insecurity has a basis, or reason, which we are all trying to recover from.
 
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There is a verse of scripture that most people today don't comprehend because it uses archaic social concepts that don't translate comprehensibly to modern ears when translated directly. However, if you check the commentaries by scholars prior to the 20th century, those old guys understood it.

And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

The key is understanding that archaically, "suffer" means "to carry" and "the violent" means "rough and uncouth people, not gentlefolk."

In modern vernacular, this verse says, "...the kingdom of heaven is being grabbed eagerly by the uncouth of the world--thieves, prostitutes, tax collectors--and they're running with it like they stole it."

This is the basis of saving mercy from God's wrath: Grab it eagerly and run with it like you stole it.
 
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Wow. How can we ever be sure that we have completely abandoned confidence in our own works and that we fully, 100% trust in Christ?
Do you believe that your faith in Christ is always 100%?
What's so hard about that? I trust in Christ and don't worry about it. Trust in Christ is not the same as trusting in one's own degree of faith. Trusting in Christ is not the same as trusting in yourself. I realize that salvation by works Christians have difficulty with the idea of abandoning trusting in oneself and trusting in Christ instead. And so they misread the gospel as advocating a performance based salvation, just like those under the law. But what's difficult for them may come naturally to the rest of us.
 
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However, if you check the commentaries by scholars prior to the 20th century, those old guys understood it.
This is a great piece of information. Is there a commentary that you would recommend that I grab hold of? I actually stay away from commentaries because they don't always jive with what God has revealed to me. But, I admit that I am nothing and know nothing, thus there are times when I truly need wisdom for the harder passages to understand that might take decades of processing to know.

So yes, please recommend the commentator you trust most. Appreciate it!
 
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When the Holy God who cannot look upon sin, who judges all wickedness, and who calls his creatures to perfect devotion and love judges that a sinner is righteous, on what is God's judgment based?

Thanks in advance!

The righteousness of Jesus Christ alone.
 
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When the Holy God who cannot look upon sin, who judges all wickedness, and who calls his creatures to perfect devotion and love judges that a sinner is righteous, on what is God's judgment based?

Thanks in advance!


"Sin is transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4
"the wages of sin is death" Rom 6:23

Rom 2
3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God. 12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus
 
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When the Holy God who cannot look upon sin, who judges all wickedness, and who calls his creatures to perfect devotion and love judges that a sinner is righteous, on what is God's judgment based?

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I don't know if this has been quoted but people aren't righteous. God only is.
 
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When the Holy God who cannot look upon sin, who judges all wickedness, and who calls his creatures to perfect devotion and love judges that a sinner is righteous, on what is God's judgment based?

Thanks in advance!
Jesus said the judgement was based on what they did for the least of his brethren (sisters are included in the word brethren) - see Matthew 25:31-46. Jesus also says that judgement is based on how people respond to him - see John 3:18. There's also this "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Matthew 7:1-2 And Jesus remarked that "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." Matthew 6:14-15

I don't think that these are the only verses about God's judgement.
 
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When the Holy God who cannot look upon sin, who judges all wickedness, and who calls his creatures to perfect devotion and love judges that a sinner is righteous, on what is God's judgment based?

Thanks in advance!
My church sums it up this way, quoting John of the Cross, a 15th century believer, at the end:
"1022 Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgment that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of heaven-through a purification594 or immediately,595 -- or immediate and everlasting damnation.596

At the evening of life, we shall be judged on our love."

Taking Scripture as a whole, I believe that last line is what Christianity is all about; it's what faith is meant to lead to.

God doesn't create junk. The "righteousness of God" as it's termed, the righteousness man was made to possess, is possible only to the extent that man is in communion with Him. "Apart from me you can do nothing." John 15:5 Our first job, in response to grace, to His calling, is to turn back to Him, reversing the position that Adam adopted: turned away. Here we admit to our need for God. Here we become like malleable clay, where He can begin a work in us, transforming us into His image. This is the act of faith, where both belief in God and trust in Him are restored, and reconciliation takes place. This is why Jesus came.



 
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When the Holy God who cannot look upon sin, who judges all wickedness, and who calls his creatures to perfect devotion and love judges that a sinner is righteous, on what is God's judgment based?

Thanks in advance!

Faith.

When the Holy God who cannot look upon sin

I think this might be a misunderstanding of Scripture, or either I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. God can and does look upon sin. Satan himself stood before God in the Book of Job.
 
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I think this might be a misunderstanding of Scripture, or either I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. God can and does look upon sin. Satan himself stood before God in the Book of Job.
Or Jesus hangin' out with the devil for a few days.
 
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God has no option but to work with sinners as we fulfill our reason for creation. We're all sinners. I was shocked when God saved me, a total piece of sinful garbage, and used me to do incredible things, things I could have never done on my own. Yep, God deals in sin thanks to Adam and Eve, whose cross I am carrying.
 
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Seems to me like we all have a righteous side and an evil side. It's a matter of who is choosing to live by earthly ideas (sin nature) and desires and who is choosing to live as we were originally created. We were created to be without sin, lust, stress, worry anxiety and fear....and all other forms of weakness. Who will choose to live like Original Adam and who will choose to live according to the laws of Satan?

So, there are none that are perfectly righteous. I certainly have a righteous side and the sinful nature side. There are two of us per person. Can't escape it but we can control it.
 
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Our first job, in response to grace, to His calling, is to turn back to Him, reversing the position that Adam adopted: turned away. Here we admit to our need for God. Here we become like malleable clay, where He can begin a work in us, transforming us into His image. This is the act of faith, where both belief in God and trust in Him are restored, and reconciliation takes place. This is why Jesus came.

This is kind of like a theistic justification with a deistic like sanctification?
 
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This is kind of like a theistic justification with a deistic like sanctification?
The two, justification and sanctification, cannot be separated. We're not meant to to stand still; we're meant to strive, to participate, to grow in our justice as we work out our salvation with He who works in us, with He who transforms us into His image, making our calling and election sure, doing the best we can with whatever we're given: grace, knowledge, time, opportunity, more expected from those given more (Luke 12:48). The Parable of the Talents also sheds light on this principle.
 
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When the Holy God who cannot look upon sin, who judges all wickedness, and who calls his creatures to perfect devotion and love judges that a sinner is righteous, on what is God's judgment based?

Thanks in advance!

The primary means of judgment might be a lot more simple than we tend to imagine?

Bob Jones’ Testimony August 8, 1975 Death Experience 

“I was in pain on the earth and blood was shooting out of my mouth like a geyser.



And all of a sudden I wasn’t in pain anymore. This Man, the Parakleet (1) stood by my side, the Holy Spirit, we started walking. And as we walked, I saw a Man who was white light. (2) All white light was around Him, but He was the whitest of all white lights. He had His hands out. As I came into that white light, there came a feeling over me like I had never known before. I asked the Man beside me, “What is that?” The Man (Holy Spirit) said, It is the love of God. I said, “It’s just so wonderful, it’s so glorious.” And He said, “That’s what it is, it’s the glory of God.” I said, “How can it be both?” It’s in John 17. The love I had with the Father, the glory I had with the Father. So that was the greatest experience I have ever had. Just enveloped in His glorious love. That’s possible down here. The glory of God is coming and it is going to be in His glorious love.



I noticed another group of people on my left side and they had like a conveyor belt underneath them. And they were wrapped up in all different kinds of things. And I looked at them and I asked this Man, “Why are they wrapped up that way?” And He said, “They were wrapped up in the earth with their gods. It’s the gods they worshipped on the earth, that followed them into death. They were on their way to hell with their gods. I saw a man wrapped up in dollar bills. I saw a man wrapped up in his sod or grass, his yard was his god. I saw a man that had no body, he was just one big head. He was an atheist, he worshipped himself. He was his own god and going to hell with it. I saw all manner of things who people worshipped on the earth, who they are going to spend eternity with. Well I worshipped the Lord and I am going to spend eternity with Him. But these others that don’t are going to spend eternity in total darkness with their god. And their gods will be their tormentors not a hundred thousand years, but eternity.


So I looked at that line. It was so horrible and everyone when they came there, they recognized Him. Their eyes got big, and everyone that is going to hell has had a witness in one way or another that there is a God. And everyone of them willingly denied Him. For each 2 in the line that I was in, there was 98 in the other line.


I watched the Lord speak to people that were coming there. And He asked them only one question: “Did you learn to love?” He’s not going to ask you what you did. If you learn to love you are going to do that which is right. Did you learn to love? (3) He would ask them that question and they would say, Yes Lord and He would kiss them right on the lips and embrace them and the double doors of His heart would open and they would go right on in.
 
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Jesus said the judgement was based on what they did for the least of his brethren (sisters are included in the word brethren) - see Matthew 25:31-46. Jesus also says that judgement is based on how people respond to him - see John 3:18. There's also this "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Matthew 7:1-2 And Jesus remarked that "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." Matthew 6:14-15

I don't think that these are the only verses about God's judgement.

So God deals with us based on how we deal with others? Uh oh!
 
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How perfect must my faith be in order for me to be acceptable to God?

I think this might be a misunderstanding of Scripture, or either I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. God can and does look upon sin. Satan himself stood before God in the Book of Job.

Scripture says that God cannot look upon sin (Habakkuk 1:13). This means that he cannot bear with sin without ultimately judging it. It cannot stand before him forever.
 
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When the Holy God who cannot look upon sin, who judges all wickedness, and who calls his creatures to perfect devotion and love judges that a sinner is righteous, on what is God's judgment based?

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There is only one issue that will form the basis of God's judgment when we all stand before Him on that Day. It will be whether we have accepted or rejected Christ.

It doesn't matter how much we have sinned, if we have accepted Christ and been converted and have been regularly confessing our sins, keeping short accounts with God, we will escape the Judgment because we have judged ourselves already and have turned totally to Christ. But it doesn't matter how religious or moral a person is, if they have not received Christ and been genuinely converted, they will be judged as having rejected Christ.

All other issues fade into insignificance at the Judgment when the issue of our attitude to Christ comes up before God.
 
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