BACs stay righteous by practicing righteousness!

If you would, please breakdown for us your typical daily practice of being as holy and perfect as God is, since that is the standard you must be maintaining to stay saved. Of course, please elaborate how you do so in all your thoughts, words, and deeds. Thanks.

BCsenior said:

Sorry, somehow you need to accept/believe all of
the NT verses that you hate, ignore, and reject!
Somehow, you need to RECONCILE them with
the NT verses that you have accepted and trust!

Try to consider that the NT "believe" really means:
heart belief + deep faith + strong trust + obedience

(There is NO English word that encompasses all of this,
so the translators just simply use the word "believe".)

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I'm sorry, I'm missing in here what process you follow daily to be as perfect and holy as God. Was it the part where you accused me of hating scripture?

BCsenior said:

Obviously, you are not open to considering the solution which I have proposed to your problem.

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You haven't given me a solution yet, that's why I'm asking for clarification on how you pull off perfection yourself.

Hey, this is your thread on how salvation is works/behavior based. I'm just looking for you to elaborate on exactly how you apply this to yourself on a typical daily basis.

Are you seriously going to just throw this out there without filling us all in on how you keep yourself perfect on a daily basis? How are you putting this in actual practice?

By the way, what's a BAC? For me it's a bacterial artificial chromosome, but I somehow doubt that's the intended meaning.

BCsenior said:

Believers stay righteous through
● practicing righteousness

This is done through FAITH.

BACs who practice righteousness …
believe it is God’s will for their lives,
and that it will result in their salvation!
Why else would they do it?
Oh yes, for rewards in heaven!
Yeah, sure.

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Believers in the gospel of grace don't practice righteousness in order to be saved. They practice righteousness because they have been saved and born of God. We do it because of our nature. (1John 3:9)

BCsenior said:

Abram “received the RIGHTEOUSNESS
that comes by FAITH.” (Heb 11:7, NLT)

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Nope, it's talking about Noah, not Abraham. You might want read more carefully.

But as for Abraham Paul used him as a precedent for justification by faith apart from works.

Rom 4:
¶ What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter?
2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about— but not before God.
3 What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation.
5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Paul used Abraham's example to prove that righteousness is obtained by faith apart from works. For Abraham was given the promise in Gen 15:5, and upon believing the promise in Gen 15:6 he was reckoned righteous, there being no intervening work on Abraham's part between Gen 15:5 and Gen 15:6, and thus he was justified apart from works, which Paul indicates is the same way Christians are justified - by simply believing the promise apart from any works we do.

BCsenior said:

Luke-warm BACs will be disqualified
Jesus warns luke-warm BACs in Rev 3:15-16,
and we see it again here … The Lord Jesus
“will come again … to bring salvation to all
who are eagerly waiting for Him.” (Heb 9:28, NLT)

Only “the faithful” BACs will be saved
“We are the faithful ones, whose souls
will be saved.” (Heb 10:39, NLT)
Please note: When Paul wrote Ephesians and
Colossians, he was only writing to “the faithful”.
See Eph 1:1 and Col 1:2.

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Lukewarm or Unfaithful believers who have been born of God simply don't exist

1Jo 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

1Jo 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin;

1Jo 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world.

And who is born of God?

1Jo 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God,

BCsenior said:

This has been a little reminder that OSAS is a lie
from the very deepest pits of hell.

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And this is a reminder that anti-OSAS Salvation by works soteriology is contrary to the gospel of grace and won't get you to heaven.

BCsenior said:

Scripture teaches that one’s righteous standing before God can be lost. Believers must be sanctified unto holiness progressively – for salvation is a process!

“… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil … Whoever has been born of God does not sin (habitually) … In this
the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:7-10)
Notice who “the children of God” are vs. who belongs to Satan. Believers who are “faithful” will be obedient to Jesus’ commandments and practice righteousness … and will have a standing of righteousness before the Lord.

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Most of 1John for example is simply describing those who have been born of God, while salvation by works Christians typically add the idea "in order to be saved" not only to such verses, but to practically every command.

BCsenior said:

“… you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.” (1 John 2:29)
But, do all believers who are born of God practice righteousness?

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Answer: Yes

1Jo 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

1Jo 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin;

1Jo 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world.

And who is born of God?

1Jo 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God,

Salvation by works Christians typically interpret verse which are descriptive of the saved as speaking of conditions to be saved.

BCsenior said:

“The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth (by living) in unrighteousness.” (Romans 1:18)

Of course, this is all a continuation of what God demanded in the old covenant:

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Yes, the first two and a half chapters of Romans Paul is talking about the righteousness of the law. He transitions into justification by grace in Rom 3:20

Rom 3:20-24 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

BCsenior said:

This multitude of Scripture verses should convince us that “works righteousness” is ALSO required for salvation.

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Which indicates that you don't believe the gospel. You're still stuck in justification by the law, living under the Old Covenant concept.

Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: "The man who does these things will live by them." (Salvation by works) But the righteousness that is by faith says: "Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’" (that is, to bring Christ down) "or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. (Salvation by faith apart from works) Rom 10:4-10

Justification - that is, salvation from God's wrath - has been finalized upon coming to faith in Christ.

I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24

ennie

BCsenior said:

Sorry for the delay!
It's all about having the correct and acceptable
heart attitude before the Lord.
If I sin, I sincerely repent of it as soon as possible.

I find this is a slightly better method of spiritual survival than thinking there is no hope and just giving up! lol

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Sinning is not living perfectly. How does this in any way differ from the life of an OSAS believer?

Hammster said:

Born again Christian.

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Thanks.

BCsenior said:

Many believers who have trusted in the eternal security doctrine have neglected to take God's warnings about NOT sinning seriously!

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That doesn't actually answer the question. I'm not talking about your perception of attitude, rather specific actions. OSAS people repent of sin as well. How do your actions differ from those you are set against?

BCsenior said:

Don't know.
P.S. All I'm really doing is presenting NT Scriptures
that are being ignored or rejected!
Ergo, I'm not here to argue.

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I'm not discussing scripture specifically. I'm asking about your own particular method of being perfect on a daily basis.

All you've said is that when you sin, you then repent, which is good, but is nothing different than anything else. But it's also not perfection and it is not maintaining salvation by works. It's actually the exact opposite.