How do we hear God's voice?

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Your's is not a typical "biblical" experience.
Err?
Did I read that right, "not a typical biblical experience"?

Was not the bible mostly written by people who heard God speak, or am I mixing it with some other book?

Hearing God might not be typical amongst people who are taught that God stopped speaking 2000 years ago. But it is a very typical experience of people who haven't been blinded by cessationist doctrine.
 
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If we do not anchor our thoughts in God's word, they can not serve good purposes.
But Dave, your thoughts are not really anchored in scripture, they are just anchored in your fallible interpretation of scripture.

To varying extents, you and I both, and everyone here, are all guilty of the following error. And even when Jesus is right in front of them, they got it wrong.

John21v21When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?” 22Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain until I return, what is that to you? You follow Me!” 23Because of this, the rumor spread among the brothers that this disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say that he would not die, but only, “If I want him to remain until I return, what is that to you?”…

However, your bible does not say...……..

Having Jesus right there in front is far better than any bible, and they still messed up. So only a fool would claim to have superiority because he "sticks to the bible".
 
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Thoroughly furnished = nothing else provides what scripture provides.
Absolutely yes, nothing else provides what scripture provides.
But at the same time, nothing else provides what the Holy Spirit provides.

Only a complete fool would reject one in favour of the other.

Thus when the Lord speaks to me, telling me where to find my wife's stolen car, I will never ever ever ever find that in scripture, no matter how many times I read it.

Thus when the Lord gave me a day time vision of a unique way to repair a special purpose riveting machine in my factory, I would never ever ever ever find that in scripture, no matter how I searched, nor would I have come up with that solution myself.

Thus when, in the middle of a particularly traumatic time, the Lord told me one day in my prayers to go to a certain city about 50 miles away, and the next day, a friend walks up to me at work and says, "I don't know what this means, but the Lord says 'Go to xxxxxx'" Thus confirming the same city that the Lord had given me, and giving me great encouragement to press on. Indeed, I went to that city and received an amazing encounter with the Lord.

When I gave a 60 year old man a word of knowledge, quoting a statement from his childhood that had blighted his whole life and business activity, he was totally shocked. I had quoted the exact words his teacher had told to his father at al parents evening, "David is a waste of time, and nothing he ever does in life will come to anything".
As we prayed, that night he was gloriously set free from that curse.
No matter how much I searched scripture, I would never have found the root of what was troubling that man. Nor had I any previous knowledge of that man's background or childhood.

Thus when the Lord told me and my wife to urgently sell our house, we called in the agent and agreed a price with him. Less than two minute after he left the house, I walked out the front door to wash it down in preparation for the photographs. Before I started, a passer by started talking to me about something, and I happened to mention we were selling up and he immediately said he would buy it at the full price He didn't even want to look around.

No matter how I searched, I would never find instructions to sell my house by searching the scriptures, not the exact timing to do it.

No matter how much I know my scripture, I would never find a warning
whilst driving to suddenly start braking,
saving our lives from an upcoming crash around the next bend.

My list of words of knowledge, prophecies, visions etc received directly from the Holy Spirit, runs parallel and in tandem to my understanding of scripture. They are not in competition or conflict.
 
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Thus when the Lord speaks to me, telling me where to find my wife's stolen car, I will never ever ever ever find that in scripture, no matter how many times I read it.

Jesus says;

““Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. “Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back.” (Luke 6:29–30) (NASB95)

How would a voice in your head, if it were God, contradict his written word?
 
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But Dave, your thoughts are not really anchored in scripture, they are just anchored in your fallible interpretation of scripture.

To varying extents, you and I both, and everyone here, are all guilty of the following error. And even when Jesus is right in front of them, they got it wrong.

John21v21When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?” 22Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain until I return, what is that to you? You follow Me!” 23Because of this, the rumor spread among the brothers that this disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say that he would not die, but only, “If I want him to remain until I return, what is that to you?”…

However, your bible does not say...……..

Having Jesus right there in front is far better than any bible, and they still messed up. So only a fool would claim to have superiority because he "sticks to the bible".
If I think a scripture, it is God's word I'm thinking. If I imagine God is speaking audibly to me, I have no scripture to verify it is him speaking.
 
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Err?
Did I read that right, "not a typical biblical experience"?

Was not the bible mostly written by people who heard God speak, or am I mixing it with some other book?

Hearing God might not be typical amongst people who are taught that God stopped speaking 2000 years ago. But it is a very typical experience of people who haven't been blinded by cessationist doctrine.
The NT authors were prophets. Or were approved by the Apostles who were prophets. There are no prophets, other than false prophets today.
 
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I used my concordance and they called OT writings scripture. They called their own writings letters or epistles usually.
For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.” (1 Timothy 5:18) (KJV 1900)

And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.” (Luke 10:7) (KJV 1900)

Note: The labourer is worthy of his reward is unique to the NT, not found in the OT.

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:15–16) (KJV 1900)

That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:” (2 Peter 3:2) (KJV 1900)

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” (1 Corinthians 14:37–38) (KJV 1900)

For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13) (KJV 1900)

Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.” (Revelation 1:3) (KJV 1900)

Note: equal weight with the OT.

When all Israel is come to appear before the Lord thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing. Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the Lord your God, and observe to do all the words of this law: And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the Lord your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.” (Deuteronomy 31:11–13) (KJV 1900)

We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.” (1 John 4:6) (KJV 1900)
 
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Hunch?
I guess you have to say that when your cessationist faith is in a distant silent god?

When my wife's car was stolen, she and I asked the Lord to get it back for us. The next day the Lord told me which street across town to go down to find the car, and you say it was just a hunch?

By that logic, all answers to prayer are nothing more than coincidence or good luck.

It was no hunch, I heard him speak not only of the road name, but the timing, and although I didn't mention it previously, there was a real sense of urgency to go and do it immediately.
Had I gone later, the thieves would have left the shop and driven off, and I wouldn't have been aware of anything.

You are so riddled with unbelief, I pity you. Until you repent of the evils of cessationism, you will remain in the dark and forever miss God's best for you.
It still goes against God's will for us as revealed in scripture when someone takes our most valuable possessions.
 
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Only the revelatory and apostolic signs and wonders ceased, being replaced by scripture.
sorry to have to say, but you are not correct there and there is not one scripture that says such a thing, as far as i am aware.

The gifts are very needed today in the dark world we live. Where sin abounds grace does much more abound. These gifts are part of the manifold grace of God and very needed.
 
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sorry to have to say, but you are not correct there and there is not one scripture that says such a thing, as far as i am aware.

The gifts are very needed today in the dark world we live. Where sin abounds grace does much more abound. These gifts are part of the manifold grace of God and very needed.
The revelatory gifts of tongues, prophecy and knowledge were fragments of God's word that when written down and collected became the NT. So we have the full revelation which is the "big guns" we need in order to stand today. So why settle for imitations of the fragments when you have the real thing, God's word in scripture?
 
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No scripture = no word of God.
Abraham heard the word of God with no scripture as every prophet had the word of God come to them and they spoke it and as all believers since the beginning had the seed, which is the word of God sown in their heart.

Today if you hear His voice harden not your hearts. This is a great mystery

"12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do."(Hebrews 4:12,13 KJV)


"1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ...9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world....10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."(John 1:1,9,10 KJV)

Psalm 36:9
"For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light."


Matthew 6:23
"But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!"


Psalm 51:6
"Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom."


Romans 1:18, 19
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."


Romans 2:15,16
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;). 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."(the conscience bears witness of the inner truth working the conscience is not that light but bears witness. The conscience can be defiled, the light cannot all men are condemned when they hate the light John 3. This refers to ALL men of all time even if they have or do not have scripture"all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light". The word is a light unto our path.)


and again in Deut 30 we read what Paul spoke of as well in Romans 10. Showing God as the divine preacher who preached in the hearts of all men by His word (Christ). This mystery of Christ in you has been hid from ages


"10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."(Deuteronomy 30:10-14 KJV)


Here we see God's voice is close to men in their heart. The commandment s God gave were written in their hearts long before they heard them. This is the word that is nigh them, or close to them. But this is a mystery that Paul speaks of in Romans 10 we read

"6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;"(Romans 10:6-8 KJV)


So Paul reveals what was not seen from the Old testament. He shows that Christ is referred to and that Christ was not far from them in their heart. Now Christ is not in union with men's hearts until they with their heart believe unto righteousness. The seed has to enter into a heart that is broken up and the ground broken. But he is close to all not far from every one of us. All may feel after him and find Him (Acts 17).


But put the word Christ n Deut. 30 as Paul shows and see how it sounds

"10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, Christ is not hidden from thee, neither is Christ far off.
12 Christ is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring Christ unto us, that we may hear Christ, and do Christ?

13 Neither is Christ beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring Christ unto us, that we may hear Christ, and do Christ?

14 But the word [Christ] is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do Christ."(Deuteronomy 30:10-14 KJV)

 
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Abraham heard the word of God with no scripture as every prophet had the word of God come to them and they spoke it and as all believers since the beginning had the seed, which is the word of God sown in their heart.

Today if you hear His voice harden not your hearts. This is a great mystery

"12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do."(Hebrews 4:12,13 KJV)


"1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ...9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world....10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."(John 1:1,9,10 KJV)

Psalm 36:9
"For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light."


Matthew 6:23
"But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!"


Psalm 51:6
"Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom."


Romans 1:18, 19
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."


Romans 2:15,16
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;). 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."(the conscience bears witness of the inner truth working the conscience is not that light but bears witness. The conscience can be defiled, the light cannot all men are condemned when they hate the light John 3. This refers to ALL men of all time even if they have or do not have scripture"all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light". The word is a light unto our path.)


and again in Deut 30 we read what Paul spoke of as well in Romans 10. Showing God as the divine preacher who preached in the hearts of all men by His word (Christ). This mystery of Christ in you has been hid from ages


"10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."(Deuteronomy 30:10-14 KJV)


Here we see God's voice is close to men in their heart. The commandment s God gave were written in their hearts long before they heard them. This is the word that is nigh them, or close to them. But this is a mystery that Paul speaks of in Romans 10 we read

"6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;"(Romans 10:6-8 KJV)


So Paul reveals what was not seen from the Old testament. He shows that Christ is referred to and that Christ was not far from them in their heart. Now Christ is not in union with men's hearts until they with their heart believe unto righteousness. The seed has to enter into a heart that is broken up and the ground broken. But he is close to all not far from every one of us. All may feel after him and find Him (Acts 17).

But put the word Christ n Deut. 30 as Paul shows and see how it sounds

"10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, Christ is not hidden from thee, neither is Christ far off.
12 Christ is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring Christ unto us, that we may hear Christ, and do Christ?
13 Neither is Christ beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring Christ unto us, that we may hear Christ, and do Christ?

14 But the word [Christ] is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do Christ."(Deuteronomy 30:10-14 KJV)
Abraham was a prophet.
 
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The revelatory gifts of tongues, prophecy and knowledge were fragments of God's word that when written down and collected became the NT. So we have the full revelation which is the "big guns" we need in order to stand today. So why settle for imitations of the fragments when you have the real thing, God's word in scripture?
In 1 Cor 14 we read that there were certain prophets. Paul said let the prophets speak two or three. We do not have what they said written down. In fact we only have certain scriptures written for us from a few of the apostles, and not all scripture in the New testament was written by apostles or prophets.

Just because a prophet or another member of the body of Christ has a revelation or prophecy or word from God did not mean that it all had to be written down.

Paul said he preached the gospel to many and we do not have his exact words to every person as he said them. But we have his declairing of the gospel he preached 1 Cor 15:1-4.

We also read that there were certain prophets (plural) and teachers in the church in Acts 13. We don't have those prophets words written down as scripture yet they were still prophets.
 
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In 1 Cor 14 we read that there were certain prophets. Paul said let the prophets speak two or three. We do not have what they said written down. In fact we only have certain scriptures written for us from a few of the apostles, and not all scripture in the New testament was written by apostles or prophets.

Just because a prophet or another member of the body of Christ has a revelation or prophecy or word from God did not mean that it all had to be written down.

Paul said he preached the gospel to many and we do not have his exact words to every person as he said them. But we have his declairing of the gospel he preached 1 Cor 15:1-4.

We also read that there were certain prophets (plural) and teachers in the church in Acts 13. We don't have those prophets words written down as scripture yet they were still prophets.
But the prophetic gifts ceased.
 
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no scripture was given to him. He did not read scripture yet.

This confirms what i say. The word of God came to men as he does to all who have ears to hear.
God's word becomes scripture when written. In this case, Moses wrote God's words for us.
 
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God's word becomes scripture when written. In this case, Moses wrote God's words for us.
If some were around in Abraham's day and he told them the word he heard from God, they may have doubted and they could say the same argument you give. Some could say if its not written in scripture its not true.

Abraham had the "seed", Christ in him as all believers do and as all men do even though all men do not receive him in their hearts, many men harden their hearts and trample on the seed crucifying Christ in their hearts so to speak.

some verses to consider

"16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ....29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise"(Galatians 3;16,29 KJV)

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

"5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it....11"...The seed is the word of God.


12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away."

1 Peter 1:23
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."


18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures....


21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls."(James 1:18,21 KJV
 
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God's word becomes scripture when written. In this case, Moses wrote God's words for us.
So again we see that Abraham did not have scripture yet and so your original premise is not correct.

You said

"No scripture = no word of God."
 
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If some were around in Abraham's day and he told them the word he heard from God, they may have doubted and they could say the same argument you give. Some could say if its not written in scripture its not true.

Abraham had the "seed", Christ in him as all believers do and as all men do even though all men do not receive him in their hearts, many men harden their hearts and trample on the seed crucifying Christ in their hearts so to speak.

some verses to consider

"16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ....29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise"(Galatians 3;16,29 KJV)

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

"5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it....11"...The seed is the word of God.


12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away."

1 Peter 1:23
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."


18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures....


21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls."(James 1:18,21 KJV
Moses wrote the words God spoke to Abraham. As did Paul. These were both prophets.
 
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So again we see that Abraham did not have scripture yet and so your original premise is not correct.

You said

"No scripture = no word of God."
Because only scripture is God's word. Only God's word is Scripture....
 
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