Just how close is Jesus return?

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Actually there were exactly 4000 years; Adam to Jesus.
Proved by careful addition of given time periods in the Bible.
We are currently 1988 +/- years since Jesus commenced His Ministry. Year 5988 of mankinds rule of the earth.
!000 years of the Lord Jesus' Kingship soon to come.
the NT heavily favors the LXX, eg Acts 15 only works with the LXX reading of Amos 9:11-12

LXX says 5500
 
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the NT heavily favors the LXX, eg Acts 15 only works with the LXX reading of Amos 9:11-12

LXX says 5500
Then it contradicts the Bible.
I know what I prefer to believe.
 
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Then it contradicts the Bible.
I know what I prefer to believe.
Acts 15 contradicts the Hebrew Masoretic variant of Amos 9:11-12

Saint James the just, brother of the lord, quoted the LXX wording, at the Jerusalem council in 50ad
 
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If the "Mark" is literal, what kind of person would be foolish enough to receive it?

In one of our local supermarket they already have selfservice on one side is a sign that looks like a handscanner sign. It is not in use yet. But in case there would be a big catastrophe of some sort that it would be needed it could be used to scan peoples hands, if they would chose to have an id in their hands connected to their accounts etc. Some already have an id in their hand so they do not need a key to their workplace. The worst thing with that is that someone get in relationship based on someones bankaccount and then thieves might give someone a deep sleepaid and carve out someones id or say mark, instead of stealing their money. So it might get only worse.
 
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In one of our local supermarket they already have selfservice on one side is a sign that looks like a handscanner sign. It is not in use yet. But in case there would be a big catastrophe of some sort that it would be needed it could be used to scan peoples hands, if they would chose to have an id in their hands connected to their accounts etc. Some already have an id in their hand so they do not need a key to their workplace. The worst thing with that is that someone get in relationship based on someones bankaccount and then thieves might give someone a deep sleepaid and carve out someones id or say mark, instead of stealing their money. So it might get only worse.
If you think technology is the Mark of the Beast. You could end up not recognizing the real mark and end up wearing it. It is spiritual depicted by the visions in Revelation.
 
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Nothing remains needing fulfillment. Jesus could return today. Matthew 24 speaks of tribulation for the Jews which happened in 70 AD. And ongoing tribulation for Christians throughout the entire new covenant era.


This kind of thinking is not correct IMO. To prove the point consider the following. Jesus ascended to heaven in the first century. He could have come back the same day He left because there is nothing to fulfill between His leaving and His returning. Who could agree with that?
 
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This kind of thinking is not correct IMO. To prove the point consider the following. Jesus ascended to heaven in the first century. He could have come back the same day He left because there is nothing to fulfill between His leaving and His returning. Who could agree with that?
No, Antichrist had not yet appeared. The great apostasy hand't happened yet. The great tribulation had not happened. The gospel hadn't been preached in the whole world etc., etc.
 
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No, Antichrist had not yet appeared. The great apostasy hand't happened yet. The great tribulation had not happened. The gospel hadn't been preached in the whole world etc., etc.
& revelation hadn't been inspired, much less fulfilled, yet
 
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If you think technology is the Mark of the Beast. You could end up not recognizing the real mark and end up wearing it. It is spiritual depicted by the visions in Revelation.
Does it not also say that everyone that does not kneel to the beast will loose their head or anything similar? I thought that meant that we would have to choose to believe in God and get killed and go upward or decide to follow some false god that puts people in awe with magic tricks and even casts ”fire” from heaven. So no matter when Jesus come or when i might have to leave this world i should be as ready as i can be.
 
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Does it not also say that everyone that does not kneel to the beast will loose their head or anything similar? I thought that meant that we would have to choose to believe in God and get killed and go upward or decide to follow some false god that puts people in awe with magic tricks and even casts ”fire” from heaven. So no matter when Jesus come or when i might have to leave this world i should be as ready as i can be.
This has been happening for centuries. The problem is; if we look for the symbols of Revelation to appear, we will never see them. But if we look for what they represent, it has existed since the first century in every totalitarian Antichrist regime through the present.
 
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No, Antichrist had not yet appeared. The great apostasy hand't happened yet. The great tribulation had not happened. The gospel hadn't been preached in the whole world etc., etc.

Thank goodness, my dear husband calls me the most awful things when he is in a bad mood. I sometime wonder if not most christian spouses that have been married over 15 years atleast have been called or silently called Antichrist numerous times. We should be a bit careful with what we call each other, should we not? Besides, how many ”horns” does the statue of liberty have?
 
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It just seems strange to write about hoping for tribulation. You can hope for the 2nd coming but not tribulation.

Of course I know you are really hoping for the second coming and your interpretation is that tribulation has to come first and so you're willing to have only for that reason.

And I might as well let you know that in my interpretation of scripture the church is undergoing tribulation in this world until the second coming, meaning we are in the tribulation now.

Its just that it seems wrong to hope for tribulation! People should not cause tribulation! That's wrong!

I don't .Think he's hoping for the tribulation. But maybe the rapture. That's.what im thinking.
 
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No, Antichrist had not yet appeared. The great apostasy hand't happened yet. The great tribulation had not happened. The gospel hadn't been preached in the whole world etc., etc.


Your position is that all of the above has already been fulfilled?
 
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In our country the gospel sounds like this you have to submit to the beast or else you go to prison, the beast is the wolfdog that run loose on our streets, near schools and in cities, villages and in our gardens and is rather unafraid of people.
This beast is allowed in our garden to eat our cats and our dogs and we may not shoot it. If it sniffs our kids and we kick it lightly in the butt, woe to us, we have hurt the beasts feelings.
We are truly the dispeccable country of stupid blondes waiting to have our kids and women to be devoured by the beast.
Why oh why... our government shut their ears and eyes and only talk about genderbenders and their rights. But i doubt the beast care if a human is a he, she or it. Taste the same to the dogwolf that now kill too many elk as sport without eating and leave them to rot, soon we fear that our countries kids are next to fall.
 
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This has been happening for centuries. The problem is; if we look for the symbols of Revelation to appear, we will never see them. But if we look for what they represent, it has existed since the first century in every totalitarian Antichrist regime through the present.


How do you interpret the 42 months that the beast reigns? Do you take that to be a literal 42 months? Or do you take the 42 months to be symbolizing an era of time greater than 42 moths? If the latter, what era of time do you see it symbolizing, keeping in mind that there is a thousand years to factor in here as well, for those of you who are not Premil, thus interpret the thousand years to be occurring in the here and now, and that the 42 months and the thousand years can't be symbolizing the same thing. Obviously 42 months denotes a short period of time compared to a period of time consisting of a thousand years.
 
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How do you interpret the 42 months that the beast reigns? Do you take that to be a literal 42 months? Or do you take the 42 months to be symbolizing an era of time greater than 42 moths? If the latter, what era of time do you see it symbolizing, keeping in mind that there is a thousand years to factor in here as well, for those of you who are not Premil, thus interpret the thousand years to be occurring in the here and now, and that the 42 months and the thousand years can't be symbolizing the same thing. Obviously 42 months denotes a short period of time compared to a period of time consisting of a thousand years.
You are beginning with the spiritual symbols of Revelation and materializing them. And then trying to make the clear passages of the NT conform to them. You need to junk this idea and start over.
 
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This has been happening for centuries. The problem is; if we look for the symbols of Revelation to appear, we will never see them. But if we look for what they represent, it has existed since the first century in every totalitarian Antichrist regime through the present.
Yes, people that look for asyl here can not get saved if they are not ready to die for their faith. On the other hand if they already are having a deaththreath hanging over them some become christian either because christianity gives more freedom than islam and also it shows that they accept some of our culture but it can get even harder for them in true life, because most associate an arabiclooking person to have islam as an religion and other islamic and arabic friends some think their christianity is false and a way to get asylum. Or find christians to try to get rid of. Well it is a more certain way to die if they get sent back and the trend is to send them back so I doubt it is false.
 
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You are beginning with the spiritual symbols of Revelation and materializing them. And then trying to make the clear passages of the NT conform to them. You need to junk this idea and start over.


LOL. Why can't you just answer what I asked? None of what I asked has to do with my take on things. I'm instead wondering what your take on some of these things are, thus why I asked you. Then you are telling me to junk an idea that has zero to do with the way I might see some of these things. Why is it so difficult for you to simply state how you interpret the 42 months the beast reigns? It wasn't a trick question or anything.
 
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