Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

SeventyOne said:

If by that you mean I support that the work of Christ was sufficient for salvation and that when He said 'It is finished', then that's that He meant, then you would be accurate. Any of you trusting in yourselves to make it, won't be making it.

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SeventyOne said:

Are you changing the subject now? Who said anything about freedom TO sin?

I'm talking about the claim there are things we have to do, or not do, to keep ourselves saved. I don't know if there's another lie out there sending as many people to hell as that one. Paul was right when he said people teaching a false gospel are cursed. I wouldn't trade places with any works-salvation person on judgment day. Jude talks about the end of such people, and it's horrible.

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Well maybe a little humility ,or is that too much like 'work' ? This lack of it that
allows you to assume , by quoting Paul ,and ignoring all quotes which contest your position, certain souls are condemned as you see it ,while just maybe, it is the opposite situation which is true !!!! What if it is ?

fat wee robin said:

Well maybe a little humility ,or is that too much like 'work' ? This lack of it that
allows you to assume , by quoting Paul ,and ignoring all quotes which contest your position, certain souls are condemned as you see it ,while just maybe, it is the opposite situation which is true !!!! What if it is ?

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That's like asking what if Santa is actually real and planning to branch out into unicorn farming. Don't talk to me about humility and then assume I'm ignoring anything. You don't know anything about me.

The truth is, if any of you thought through this position thoroughly, and actually employed humility and honesty yourselves, concerning your fleshly nature compared to the holiness standard of God, you'd probably be borderline suicidal. That's not a joke. I've been there years ago. You're all fooling yourselves.

BCsenior said:

We’re not saved yet … for salvation is a process
“with fear and trembling” (Philippians 2:12).

Warnings about losing eternal life
••• Mark 9:43 “If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell,
into the fire that shall never be quenched”
••• Luke 9:23-25 “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it (eternal life), but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is himself destroyed or lost (eternally)?”
••• John 12:25 “He who loves his life will lose it (eternal life), and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.”
Also see Matthew 16:25-26 and Mark 8:35-37

Warnings about gaining eternal death
••• Romans 6:16-23 “… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness … For when you were slaves of sin … the end of those things is (eternal) death.
… For the wages of sin is (eternal) death …”
••• Romans 8:13-14 “For if you live according to the flesh you will die (spiritually); but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (eternal life). For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.”
••• Galatians 6:7-8 “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.”
••• 1 Timothy 6:9-10 “But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into may foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil … Let them (rich Christians) do good, that they may be rich in good works … that they may lay hold on eternal life.”
••• Hebrews 10:36-39 “ ‘Now the just shall live by faith; but IF anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.’ But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.”
••• James 1:12-16 “Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of (eternal) life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him … But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin,
when it is full-grown, brings forth (eternal) death.
Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.”
••• Revelation 2:11 “He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”
Who is an overcomer? >> “To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Revelation 3:21)
••• Revelation 21:7-8 “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Jesus is talking about anyone who is a habitual (unrepentant) sinner!

Warnings about being shut out of heaven
Mark 9:47 with Matthew 25:34-46 prove
the kingdom of God is analogous to heaven.
••• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators,
nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,
nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous,
nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners
will inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 and Ephesians 5:3-6 are other
“sin lists” about keeping people out of heaven.

Warnings being shut out of the New Jerusalem
••• Revelation 22:14-15 “Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through
the gates of the city. But outside are the dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”

Warnings in 3 of the many conditional “IF” verses
••• 1 Corinthians 15:1-2 “Moreover, brethren,
I declare to you the gospel … by which you are saved, IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you - unless you believed in vain.”
••• 2 Corinthians 13:5 “Examine yourself to see
IF you are in the faith unless you are disqualified.”
••• Hebrews 3:14 “For we have become partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end.”
Also see Hebrews 10:39 above.

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After Jesus dies for our sins we where saved from hell and death, all it takes is belief that he died and rose three days later.

Yes I know its confusion, but the truth is When Jesus said it is better to cut off a limb he was talking to the ones who did not belive in his death, showing us how severe it is to sin and showing them there hypocrisy's.

Jesus forgivers man of his sin.

We all are sinners, you cant change this fact, only Jesus can.

BCsenior said:

If you cannot accept my signature,
you are truly in really bad shape!

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Read my initial post in this thread. You are adding to Paul's words.

BCsenior said:

Paul is saying your salvation depends on your choices!

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Actually, he says exactly the opposite very explicitly in many places. How you've missed this I don't know.

BCsenior said:

I.E. If you choose to habitually sin (w/o repentance), you're on your way to hell.

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I'm not contending against the notion that a person in unrepentant and persistent sin is hell-bound, only that such a person was once saved.

BCsenior said:

Somehow, we must use a little common sense!
There are many reasons why some/many BACs
will submit to taking the mark of the beast.
Like ... so dey can feed der families!
Like ... some won't know it's a death sentence!
(Live physically a while longer and die spiritually.)

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So, what if a Christian was pinned down and forced to take the Mark entirely against their will? Would God cast them into hell because they weren't physically strong enough to prevent being marked?

BCsenior said:

Well, that's an interesting one!
My vote is NO!

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I would agree. But this suggests that it isn't the Mark itself God punishes with hell but something in the nature of the person who takes it - something antithetical to God and to the born-again life. In other words, only an unsaved person would take the Mark, revealing that they are unsaved in doing so.

BCsenior said:

salvation is a process which is not determined
until the end of life.

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Our Apostle Paul does say, "we shall be saved by His life" in Romans 6:17. So, in general, not necessarily with your application, though, "saved" can refer to our future.

But Hebrews 12:4-11 guarantees how our Heavenly Father succeeds in correcting His children.

And 1 John 4:17 says "Love has been perfected among us" and elsewhere he clearly says that anyone who goes out was never of us . . . or they would not have departed.

BCsenior said:

Actually, my best proof of this is ...
try taking the mark of the beast
and see where you end up! ... It ain't pretty!
Revelation 13 and Revelation 14
are far more than dire warnings!

There are many reasons why countless BACs
all over the world will submit to taking
the dreaded mark of the beast.
It signifies allegiance to Satan.
Loss of salvation guaranteed.

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Jesus says His sheep will not follow another. And John says if someone goes out he or she never was with us in the first place.

BAC > I looked this up on the Net > "blood alcohol count", among other things. Someone intoxicated might take the mark, but not someone who is sober in Jesus, who has the mind of Christ.

Pneuma3 said:

Paul would disagree with you and blamed that type of sin on the law of sin in his members.

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The members are still us.

BCsenior said:

Somehow, we must use a little common sense!
There are many reasons why some/many BACs
will submit to taking the mark of the beast.
Like ... so dey can feed der families!
Like ... some won't know it's a death sentence!
(Live physically a while longer and die spiritually.)

BACs are supposed to be following the Spirit.
If they fail to do so (thus fail to become martyrs),
they'll be toast. Guaranteed. Rev 13-14 says so!

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Presumption on your part not supported by the text. The elect in Revelation who go through the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are already sealed.

Revelation 7

com7fy8 said:

Jesus says His sheep will not follow another. And John says if someone goes out he or she never was with us in the first place...

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I think that is an over broad and possibly incorrect application of the verse.
That some group of people left the fellowship John is speaking of because they were not of the fellowship does not mean that applies to everyone at all times.

Der Alter said:

That some group of people left the fellowship John is speaking of because they were not of the fellowship does not mean that applies to everyone at all times.

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I consider it means ones who God knows will never come back. Any time any of us sins . . . maybe having an argument and going out in a huff from fellowship, for a while . . . this is not talking about something like this.

God bless you

BCsenior said:

Especially, when we consider the hefty weight
of all of the evidence, it is easy to conclude that
salvation is a process which is not determined
until the end of life.

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A process yes but Justification is not a process. Notice here:

1 Corinthians 6: NASB

9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

BCsenior said:

Somehow, we must use a little common sense!
There are many reasons why some/many BACs
will submit to taking the mark of the beast.
Like ... so dey can feed der families!
Like ... some won't know it's a death sentence!
(Live physically a while longer and die spiritually.)

BACs are supposed to be following the Spirit.
If they fail to do so (thus fail to become martyrs),
they'll be toast. Guaranteed. Rev 13-14 says so!

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redleghunter has a tendency to ignore the text. Instead of worshiping the beast and accepting the mark in verses 9-11, Rev 14:12 specifically calls on the SAINTS to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. This verse contradicts the false belief that there aren't any saints around at the time of the great tribulation and the false notion that the saints won't take the mark. "Anyone" means anyone including the saints in v.12.