WHY MANY DON'T BELIEVE JESUS AS SAVIOR?

Si_monfaith · Nov 24, 2018

John 10:26: "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

In the above verse, doesn't the Lord state the reason as to why many who followed Him, did not however believe in Him as the promised Savior? If yes, what was that reason? Doesn't the Lord state they being not His sheep as the reason they couldn't believe in Him?

Secondly, in this verse, as some suppose, did the Lord state the reason as to why they weren't His sheep? If yes, wouldn't He have stated, "Ye are not My sheep because ye didn't believe?" But that isn't what He stated, right?

So shouldn't we conclude that not all are chosen to be sheep and so all couldn't exercise faith in Jesus as the Savior?

Wasn't that the reason Jesus didn't pray for all individuals but rather only for those whom the Father chose as His own and whom He gave to His Son as seen in John 17: 9? (John 17:9: "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.")

You are invited to post your opinions in a Christ-like manner with adequate support from God's word.

Presbyterian Continuist · Nov 24, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
John 10:26: "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

In the above verse, doesn't the Lord state the reason as to why many who followed Him, did not however believe in Him as the promised Savior? If yes, what was that reason? Doesn't the Lord state they being not His sheep as the reason they couldn't believe in Him?

Secondly, in this verse, as some suppose, did the Lord state the reason as to why they weren't His sheep? If yes, wouldn't He have stated, "Ye are not My sheep because ye didn't believe?" But that isn't what He stated, right?

So shouldn't we conclude that not all are chosen to be sheep and so all couldn't exercise faith in Jesus as the Savior?

Wasn't that the reason Jesus didn't pray for all individuals but rather only for those whom the Father chose as His own and whom He gave to His Son as seen in John 17: 9? (John 17:9: "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.")

You are invited to post your opinions in a Christ-like manner with adequate support from God's word.

The Scripture says that it is the god of this world who has blinded the minds of those who believe not lest they should see the light of the Gospel of Christ. This is why it takes the work of the Holy Spirit to bring conviction of sin and the understanding of the Gospel so they can accept the invitation that God give all that they may not perish but be saved.

Si_monfaith · Nov 24, 2018

Oscarr said:
The Scripture says that it is the god of this world who has blinded the minds of those who believe not lest they should see the light of the Gospel of Christ. This is why it takes the work of the Holy Spirit to bring conviction of sin and the understanding of the Gospel so they can accept the invitation that God give all that they may not perish but be saved.

In John 10: 26, don't we see two groups: one being called as sheep and the other being called "not of My sheep"?

Now, does the Holy Spirit bring conviction of sin and the understanding of the Gospel to the latter group who are not of His sheep, so they can accept the invitation that God gives?

Presbyterian Continuist · Nov 24, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
In John 10: 26, don't we see two groups: one being called as sheep and the other being called "not of My sheep"?

Now, does the Holy Spirit bring conviction of sin and the understanding of the Gospel to the latter group who are not of His sheep, so they can accept the invitation that God gives?

So you don't think that the invitation to receive the Gospel and be saved is not open to all? What do you make of the Scripture that God is not willing that any should perish but that ALL may come to repentance.

So, when you go to witness to someone for Christ, do you know if they are the sheep or the goats? If they don't respond to you, is that because they are goats, or is it because you are not sufficiently filled with the Spirit to be able to witness with the demonstration of the Spirit and with power?

How do you know if half the professing Christians in your church are actually goats in sheep's clothing? How are you going to tell them apart from the true sheep?

I'm asking the challenging questions to show that sorting out the sheep from the goats is not as simple as you think. It is because God looks on the heart, where we can't look. We can only look on the outward appearance. So the person sitting beside you in church may appear to be very saintly, but in his heart he may be a devil! How will you know?

SkyWriting · Nov 24, 2018

Oscarr said:
I'm asking the challenging questions to show that sorting out the sheep from the goats is not as simple as you think. It is because God looks on the heart, where we can't look. We can only look on the outward appearance. So the person sitting beside you in church may appear to be very saintly, but in his heart he may be a devil! How will you know?

Absolutely correct!
What Does the Bible Say About Judging Other People? - OpenBible.info

Nobody is asking you to sort.

SkyWriting · Nov 24, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
John 10:26: "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

In the above verse, doesn't the Lord state the reason as to why many who followed Him, did not however believe in Him as the promised Savior? If yes, what was that reason? Doesn't the Lord state they being not His sheep as the reason they couldn't believe in Him?

Secondly, in this verse, as some suppose, did the Lord state the reason as to why they weren't His sheep? If yes, wouldn't He have stated, "Ye are not My sheep because ye didn't believe?" But that isn't what He stated, right?

So shouldn't we conclude that not all are chosen to be sheep and so all couldn't exercise faith in Jesus as the Savior?

Wasn't that the reason Jesus didn't pray for all individuals but rather only for those whom the Father chose as His own and whom He gave to His Son as seen in John 17: 9? (John 17:9: "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.")

You are invited to post your opinions in a Christ-like manner with adequate support from God's word.

From the "Top Down" God knows who will follow. The Father alone.

fat wee robin · Nov 24, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
John 10:26: "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

In the above verse, doesn't the Lord state the reason as to why many who followed Him, did not however believe in Him as the promised Savior? If yes, what was that reason? Doesn't the Lord state they being not His sheep as the reason they couldn't believe in Him?

Secondly, in this verse, as some suppose, did the Lord state the reason as to why they weren't His sheep? If yes, wouldn't He have stated, "Ye are not My sheep because ye didn't believe?" But that isn't what He stated, right?

So shouldn't we conclude that not all are chosen to be sheep and so all couldn't exercise faith in Jesus as the Savior?

Wasn't that the reason Jesus didn't pray for all individuals but rather only for those whom the Father chose as His own and whom He gave to His Son as seen in John 17: 9? (John 17:9: "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.")

You are invited to post your opinions in a Christ-like manner with adequate support from God's word.

I see it as Jesus speaking of the situation at that time ,showing that even before He died on the cross ,there were already people who belonged to Him .However
2,000 years later, there are many many, who now belong to Him ,but that All will be subjected to the Final weeding out ,and those whom He chose to elevate and make special ,should they deny Him at this time will then suffer more than those new 'sheep'.

eleos1954 · Nov 24, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
John 10:26: "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

In the above verse, doesn't the Lord state the reason as to why many who followed Him, did not however believe in Him as the promised Savior? If yes, what was that reason? Doesn't the Lord state they being not His sheep as the reason they couldn't believe in Him?

Secondly, in this verse, as some suppose, did the Lord state the reason as to why they weren't His sheep? If yes, wouldn't He have stated, "Ye are not My sheep because ye didn't believe?" But that isn't what He stated, right?

So shouldn't we conclude that not all are chosen to be sheep and so all couldn't exercise faith in Jesus as the Savior?

Wasn't that the reason Jesus didn't pray for all individuals but rather only for those whom the Father chose as His own and whom He gave to His Son as seen in John 17: 9? (John 17:9: "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.")

You are invited to post your opinions in a Christ-like manner with adequate support from God's word.

2nd Peter 3

9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.

Luke 19:10 - For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Jesus prayed for those who killed him.

Luke 23

34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” And they cast lots to divide his garments.
Romans 2:5
5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

Revelation 3

20 'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

He knocks on everyones door ... some sadly will not open their door and let Him in.

God Bless.

Si_monfaith · Nov 25, 2018

eleos1954 said:
2nd Peter 3

9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.

Luke 19:10 - For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Jesus prayed for those who killed him.

Luke 23

34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” And they cast lots to divide his garments.
Romans 2:5
5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

Revelation 3

20 'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

He knocks on everyones door ... some sadly will not open their door and let Him in.

God Bless.

Romans 9:19: One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?”

In the above verse, doesn't God say none can resist His will which means His will will certainly come to pass. Does God make choices which don't come to pass?

Si_monfaith · Nov 25, 2018

fat wee robin said:
I see it as Jesus speaking of the situation at that time ,showing that even before He died on the cross ,there were already people who belonged to Him .However
2,000 years later, there are many many, who now belong to Him ,but that All will be subjected to the Final weeding out ,and those whom He chose to elevate and make special ,should they deny Him at this time will then suffer more than those new 'sheep'.

Ephesians 1:4: "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"

Haven't all who are chosen, chosen in Christ from before the foundation of the world?

Si_monfaith · Nov 25, 2018

SkyWriting said:
From the "Top Down" God knows who will follow. The Father alone.

The question isn't whether God knows who will follow but that shouldn't we conclude that not all are chosen to be sheep and so all couldn't exercise faith in Jesus as the Savior?

Si_monfaith · Nov 25, 2018

Oscarr said:
So you don't think that the invitation to receive the Gospel and be saved is not open to all? What do you make of the Scripture that God is not willing that any should perish but that ALL may come to repentance.

So, when you go to witness to someone for Christ, do you know if they are the sheep or the goats? If they don't respond to you, is that because they are goats, or is it because you are not sufficiently filled with the Spirit to be able to witness with the demonstration of the Spirit and with power?

How do you know if half the professing Christians in your church are actually goats in sheep's clothing? How are you going to tell them apart from the true sheep?

I'm asking the challenging questions to show that sorting out the sheep from the goats is not as simple as you think. It is because God looks on the heart, where we can't look. We can only look on the outward appearance. So the person sitting beside you in church may appear to be very saintly, but in his heart he may be a devil! How will you know?

Do you preach the gospel believing that all would respond? Don't you think only the elect would respond?

Why should we know who is a sheep or a goat in the church when the Lord wants us to wait till the end of days?

eleos1954 · Nov 25, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
Romans 9:19: One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?”

In the above verse, doesn't God say none can resist His will which means His will will certainly come to pass. Does God make choices which don't come to pass?

God has foreknowledge, He knows what choices will be made, but He does not make the choices for (ie to choose Jesus) The Holy Spirit does woo (draws) a person to Him, but the person makes the final choice ... or not ... and God knows what the choices will be.

Presbyterian Continuist · Nov 25, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
Do you preach the gospel believing that all would respond? Don't you think only the elect would respond?

Why should we know who is a sheep or a goat in the church when the Lord wants us to wait till the end of days?

I think worrying who is elect and who is not is putting the cart before the horse. When Paul wrote about the elect, he was writing to those who were already believers, implying that all those who believe in and put their trust in Christ for salvation is the elect.

Therefore the first priority for an unbeliever, is not whether they are elect or not, but whether they will believe the promises of God that if they accept His invitation to turn to Christ, they will be converted to Christ and saved. Once they are converted and are putting their full trust in Christ, then they can know that they are part of the elect of God.

I don't believe that anyone who is genuinely converted will fail to become one of the elect of God, because the Scripture plainly says, "He who comes to Me [Christ], I will not cast out." God will never contradict His own Word.

now faith · Nov 25, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
The question isn't whether God knows who will follow but that shouldn't we conclude that not all are chosen to be sheep and so all couldn't exercise faith in Jesus as the Savior?

This belief is most certianly not Word of Faith or Charismatic.
This is Calvinism , and it's fine if you want to teach Calvinism.
There are fourms that are for this doctrine.
I respect their knowlage , but have agreed to disagree in doctrine.

now faith · Nov 25, 2018

Oscarr said:
I think worrying who is elect and who is not is putting the cart before the horse. When Paul wrote about the elect, he was writing to those who were already believers, implying that all those who believe in and put their trust in Christ for salvation is the elect.

Therefore the first priority for an unbeliever, is not whether they are elect or not, but whether they will believe the promises of God that if they accept His invitation to turn to Christ, they will be converted to Christ and saved. Once they are converted and are putting their full trust in Christ, then they can know that they are part of the elect of God.

I don't believe that anyone who is genuinely converted will fail to become one of the elect of God, because the Scripture plainly says, "He who comes to Me [Christ], I will not cast out." God will never contradict His own Word.

Thank You

Si_monfaith · Nov 25, 2018

now faith said:
This belief is most certianly not Word of Faith or Charismatic.
This is Calvinism , and it's fine if you want to teach Calvinism.
There are fourms that are for this doctrine.
I respect their knowlage , but have agreed to disagree in doctrine.

So you disagree with God's word?

Si_monfaith · Nov 25, 2018

Oscarr said:
I think worrying who is elect and who is not is putting the cart before the horse. When Paul wrote about the elect, he was writing to those who were already believers, implying that all those who believe in and put their trust in Christ for salvation is the elect.

Therefore the first priority for an unbeliever, is not whether they are elect or not, but whether they will believe the promises of God that if they accept His invitation to turn to Christ, they will be converted to Christ and saved. Once they are converted and are putting their full trust in Christ, then they can know that they are part of the elect of God.

I don't believe that anyone who is genuinely converted will fail to become one of the elect of God, because the Scripture plainly says, "He who comes to Me [Christ], I will not cast out." God will never contradict His own Word.

Is faith in Jesus prescriptive or descriptive of believers?

Is faith a condition to be saved or an assurance of being saved seen among the saved?

Hebrews 11:1: "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see."
As above, isn't faith spoken of as an assurance of unseen things like salvation rather than being spoken of as a condition to be saved?

Si_monfaith · Nov 25, 2018

eleos1954 said:
God has foreknowledge, He knows what choices will be made, but He does not make the choices for (ie to choose Jesus) The Holy Spirit does woo (draws) a person to Him, but the person makes the final choice ... or not ... and God knows what the choices will be.

If God knows for certain beforehand that A will believe in Jesus and B will not believe in Jesus, how could A & B be stated to have the freedom to make the opposite choices?

If you still claim they have the freedom to make opposite choices, then aren't you refuting your own earlier position of God's foreknowledge?

eleos1954 · Nov 26, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
If God knows for certain beforehand that A will believe in Jesus and B will not believe in Jesus, how could A & B be stated to have the freedom to make the opposite choices?

If you still claim they have the freedom to make opposite choices, then aren't you refuting your own earlier position of God's foreknowledge?

To know a future action is not the same as causing that future action to happen.

God Bless

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