MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

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To figure out what the mark is, first it is necessary to figure out his name. For example, if the person assumed to be Zeus in the flesh, and assumed that name, then the mark of Zeus would be a thunderbolt.

note: at this time, I do not know what his name is.

No Brother with all respect and love in the Lord, it is clear you have not been able to show from the scriptures who the little horn is and what the Mark of the Beast is either.

REVELATION 13:18, Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three score and six.

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Please be patient and consider the scriptures in posts to come after this one on the MARK OF THE BEAST...

God bless.
 
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MARK OF THE BEAST

WHAT ARE THE SYMBOLS AND MEANING OF MARK, SIGN AND SEAL?


JESUS when quoting the two great commentments of LOVE to GOD and LOVE to man from Matthew 22:26-40 is quoting from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures found in DEUTERONOMY 6:5 and LEVITICUS 19:18 and finishes by saying v40 "ON THESE TWO COMMENTMENTS OF LOVE to GOD and LOVE to MAN HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets.

If we go bact to DEUTERONOMY 6:5-8 we find somthing interesting in v8..

DEUTERONOMY 6:5-8
5, And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6, And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7, And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shall talk of them when thou sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when thou rises up. 8, And you shall bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as front lets between thine eyes.

NOTE: v8 has an interesting parallel with REVELATION 13:16:17 and

REVELATION 14:9-10 [9], And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10], The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb

Looking at the HEBREW word for sign in DEUTERONOMY 6:8 actually means MARK making it similar to the scriptures on the MARK OF THE BEAST in REVELATIONS 13 and 14 which are also received in the hand and forehead.

The Hebrew word for “sign” is Strong's H226 אות'ôth; oth; which also means Mark. The first four commandments of the 10 commandments represent our Love duty to God (Exodus 20:1-11) and how we worship him. Did you notice where love and obedience to God is a sign or mark of worship through love to God which is bound to the hand and between the frontlets of our eyes?

Let's look at the Hebrew words "frontlets" (H2903) and "between thine eyes" (H5869)"frontlets" (H2903) טופפה; ṭôphâphâh; to-faw-faw' means; to bind ; in the forehead "between thine eyes" (H5869) עין; ‛ayin; ah'-yin; means (many meanings but some mean) to think about, favour, to see, sight, knowledge

So verse 8 is talking about summing up the first 4 commandments of the 10 which is our love and duty of worship to God as being the "Mark of God" which is placed where? In the forehead and in the hand..... The same scriptures in

Deuteronomy 6 can be read as; Love the Lord thy God with all thine heart and with all thy soul and with all thy might (seen as the first four commandment to God (Exodus 20:1-11) 8, And you shall bind them for a “Mark” upon thine hand, and forehead. This is the Mark of God. God’s Mark is Love with the fruit of obedience. To love him with all the heart and have no other God’s before him, love will not make idols of anything on earth and serve them, love will not use God’s name in vain and love will remember God’s Sabbath day to keep it Holy. These are the Mark of Sign of the believers of those who follow God.

Now let’s compare this with …. (SIGN= MARK=SEAL mean the same)

EZEKIEL 20:11-12
[11], And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. 12, Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a SIGN <H226; same word for “MARK”> between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

So in our duty to Love God as demonstrated in Deuteronomy 6:5-8 and demonstrated through obedience to the first four commandments (Exodus 20:1-11), God’s Mark is bound to his people on their hand and forehead showing that His people believe and worship the only true God of creation of which the 7th Day Sabbath is also a sign or “Mark”. We should be clear here that the only commandments from God’s Law that God describes as being his SIGN or “MARK” is in our duty of worship and love to the creator.This links back to REVELATIONS 14:7-12 where we read the MARK OF THE BEAST IS LINKED TO WORSHIP.

God’s people marked or sealed for protection…

EZEKIEL 9:1-11
[1] He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.
[2] And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.
[3] And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
[4] And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
[5] And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
[6] Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
[7] And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.
[8] And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?
[9] Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not.
[10] And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.
[11] And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.

Now remember the Beast of Revelations also has a mark that we are warned against receiving? (Revelation 13:16; 14:8:11). This is called the “MARK OF THE BEAST”. Anyone who receives this mark is in danger of receiving the judgements of God. We are warned not to receive this mark because it will affect our salvation and standing with God.

God’s people receive God’s mark of protection in the last days…

REVELATION 7:4-10
4, And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5, Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6, Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7, Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8, Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
9, After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10, And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

The SEAL= GOD'S MARK

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew & Thayer Greek Definitions - G4972
Σφραγίζω; sphragizō Thayer Definition:
1) to set a seal upon, mark with a seal, to seal
1a) for security: from Satan
1b) since things sealed up are concealed (as the contents of a letter), to hide, keep in silence, keep secret
1c) in order to mark a person or a thing
1c1) to set a mark upon by the impress of a seal or a stamp
1c2) angels are said to be sealed by God
1d) in order to prove, confirm, or attest a thing
1d1) to confirm authenticate, place beyond doubt
1d1a) of a written document
1d1b) to prove one's testimony to a person that he is what he professes to be

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G4972
Σφραγίζω; sphragizō; sfrag-id'-zo From G4973; to stamp with a signet or private mark for security or preservation (literally or figuratively); by implication to keep secret, to attest: - (set a, set to) seal up, stop.

Now lets tie the above into the GREEK Word used in MARK OF THE BEAST from REVELATION 13:16 and 14:11…

REVELATION 13:16 And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads

Now let’s add the GREEK word used for “MARK” *REVELATION 14:11; 13: χάραγμα charagma From the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp as a badge of servitude, or sculptured figure (statue): - graven, mark.

So there is God's Mark which is a SIGN of Love and obedience and worship to God and a BEASTS MARK as a sign of servitude to the beast that we are warned against receiving or we will receive God's Judgements (Revelations 14:8-11). This warning not to receive the Beasts Mark is proceeded with the warning that Babylon the great, also identified as the great harlot that sits on the beast, is fallen with a call for God's People to come out of her (Revelations 14:8). The call to come out of Babylon is then once again repeated in Revelation 18:1-10 but this time Babylon is described in more detail in Revelations 17:1-7; 18:1-10

So it is important to understand who Babylon is because it has a connection to the beast and its Mark that we are warned against receiving (Revelations 14:8-11; 17:1-18) and God is calling his people out before it receives his judgements.

There is actually a lot to take in here but letting the bible interpret itself let’s see what God’s Word says the following symbols represent?

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to be continued..
 
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SOME SYMBOLS DEFINED IN GOD'S WORD SO FAR.

*WOMAN PURE = God's people faithful (Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27)

*WOMAN harlot
= God's people unfaithful to God fornicator, adulteress, unfaithful or false religion (Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9; Ezekiel 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hosea 2:5; 3:1; Revelations 14:4)

*MOTHER OF HARLOTS
= Gives birth to unfaithful or false religion offspring and children just like the Mother

*BEAST
= Kingdom; Nations or political power (Daniel 7:17; 23; Proverbs 28:15)

*HORN OF A BEAST
= A king or ruler that arise out of the Kingdom; Nations or political power (Daniel 7:24; 8:5; 21-22; Zechariah 1:18-19; Revelations 17:12)

*SCARLET COLOR
= sin (Isaiah 1:18)

*HAND
= To act out or to do action (Ecclesiastes 9:10; Acts 4:28 etc)

*FOREHAND
= To believe or think (Ezekiel 3:8-9; Jeremiah 3:3 see also word meanings)

*MARK/SEAL/SIGN = is BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING GOD'S WORD or NOT BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's WORD (Revelation 14:7-12; 7:4-10
Deuteronomy 6:8; Ezekiel 20:11-12; Ezekiel 9:1-11)

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Let's put it all together.....

Babylon the Great harlot = a world-wide unfaithful Church that is unfaithful to God or does not follow God’s Word. It is a mother of harlots meaning other unfaithful Churches have come out of this mother of Churches. Let’s make something clear before we continue. God has his people in every Church, even the unfaithful fallen Churches as seen in Revelations 18:4. He is calling them to come out of these Churches because they are not teaching people to follow God’s Word. Jesus also says; Other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd (John 10:16). Because the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:23-24)

God's Mark is a mark of love and worship to God seen as the fruit of obedience to Gods Law *REVELATION 14:12. It is applied to the hand and the forehead representing believing and doing. It is sin that is disobedience to God’s Word and it is sin and nothing more that all to receive God’s judgements.

The beast which represents a nation or kingdom will have power to make laws under punishment of death to force all to break God’s Law. This is the ONLY time anyone can receive the MARK OF THE BEAST when it is forced upon mankind under law.

We receive it in the hand by following or doing the beast’s law or we receive it in the forehead by believing and following this law over the Word of God or breaking God’s Law (Revelation 13:15-16). Everyone has the choice to choose for themselves whether they receive this mark or not and those that do follow the beast, receive the judgements of God (Revelation 14:9-11).

The beast (KINGDOM) is seen being ridden by a harlot Woman (unfaithful, mother of Christian Churches) also called Babylon that God has some of his people in who are warned to come out of unless of these organisations unless they receive the plague of God (Revelations 18:4).

All through time from Genesis to Revelations God's judgements have only ever been given to mankind because of sin. As it was in the days of Noah and Sodom so shall it be at the coming of the son of man. Sin is the transgression of God's Law and the wages of sin is death which is the penalty of sin (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). Therefore just as the Mark of God in the hand and forehead represents love and worship to God seen as the fruit of obedience to Gods Law (10 commandments), the Mark of the beast will be over forced disobedience to God's Law of Love. The Mark of the beast does not affect anyone until it is forced upon mankind by the beast (Revelations 13:15-18). However, if we are living in sin now we are not following God or know him and need to repent and seek him for forgiveness through faith in His Word.

After the warning about receiving the mark of the beast is proclaimed a description of God’s people is proclaimed

REVELATION 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Further descriptions of God’s people are also described throughout the book of Revelations….

REVELATION 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REVELATION 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

God’s people keep all of God’s commandments through faith in his promises to save them from their sins. He gives them his Spirit so that they can follow him in love and obedience. God’s Word say that if we break one of God’s commandments we are guilty before God of breaking all of His Law (James 2:8-12).

This includes the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH which is God's 4th Commandment that God has commanded his people to follow which is one of the 10 (Exodus 20:8-11)

Just as God’s Mark or sign to His people is demonstrated through worship and love to him through the first four commandments. The Mark of the Beast will be loyalty to the beast through breaking God’s Law which is sin against God. Those that follow the Beast do not follow God and will be in danger of receiving God’s judgements.

Those that receive the Mark of the Beast are those that through disobedience and living in sin do not know God and refuse his love and invitation of Grace and salvation… Who will you choose?

God’s sheep hear his voice…
 
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WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?

SUMMARY SO FAR AND PUTTING IT TOGETHER

We have looked at and ideitified who the HARLOT WOMAN sitting on the scarlet colored BEAST is and let the scriptures define these symbols which the bible alone says that the MYSTERY HARLOT NAMED BABYLON represents the UNFAITHFUL MOTHER CHURCH of all Churches which also has UNFAITHFUL DAUGHTER CHURCHES * REVELATION 14:8; 17:1-5; 18:1-10. We have also seen through God’s WORD that it is NOT the people in these CHURCHES that God are the problem but what they teach the people which leads them away from God’s Word and that God has his people in ALL of these Churches and is calling them out to worship him in Spirit and in TRUTH according to the Word of God *REVELATION 18:1:4. We also saw that a BEAST in bible prophecy represents a KINGDOM while a HORN on a BEAST represents a KING that may come out of that KINGDOM *DANIEL 7:23-25

We also looked the HEBREW and GREEK meanings of MARK; SEAL and SIGN and compared these word meanings with the scriptures found in REVELATION 13:6; REVELATION 7:4-10; DEUTERONOMY 6:8; EZEKIEL 9:1-11; EXEKIEL 20:11-12; All of which liked the SERVITUDE of OBEDIENCE to God’s 10 Commandments to God’s SEAL; SIGN and MARK (which all have a similar meaning) or SERVITUDE to DISOBEDIENCE to God’s Commandments. *REVELATION 14:8-12. As the MARK is a symbol of SERVITUDE to God’s WORD and OBEDIENCE or SERVITUDE to the BEAST and DISOBEDIENCE we saw that RECEIVING the BEASTS MARK of DISOBEDIENCE in the HAND or the FOREHEAD means; *HAND = To act out or to do action (Ecclesiastes 9:10; Acts 4:28 etc) *FOREHAND = To believe or think (EZEKIEL 3:8-9; JEREMIAH 3:3 see also word meanings).

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CONCLUSION: The MARK OF THE BEAST is a SYMBOL OF SERVITUDE to the BEAST of REVELATION 13 and REVELATION 14; REVELATION 17 and REVELATION 18 which is influenced by the MOTHER OF ALL UNFAITHFUL CHURCHES names BABYLON THE MAOTHER OF HARLOTS *REVELATION 17:1-5.

This MARK is received in the HAND which means to act out and do what the BEAST commands in WORSHIPPING the BEASTS image (you do not have to believe the BEAST), while to receive the MARK in the FOREHEAD means to BELIEVE and do what the BEAST commands *REVELATION 13:15-16.

Those who are SEALED by GOD serve him through OBEDIENCE and SERVITUDE to God’s WORD *REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14. They do not bow down to the BEASTS FALSE IMAGE of WORSHIP and before the final judgments of God are poured out GOD calls all his true people to leave these CHURCHES to whorship and follow him in Spirit and in Truth.

The MARK OF THE BEAST AND THE SEAL OF GOD is received over SERVITUDE doing what the BEAST asks resulting in DISOBEDIENCE to God’s WORD or BELIEVING and FOLLOWING what God asks us through his WORD and disobeying what the BEAST asks us. The issue will be over WORSHIP. Who do we worship, God by believing and following his WORD or the BEAST by following the teaching and traditions of men that lead us away from God to break his Commandments *REVELATION 13:8; 13:12; 13:15; 14:7; 14:11; MATTHEW 15:3-9

The issue of worship is over God’s 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172

This results in a people of GOD who keep ALL THE COMMANDMENTS of God by faith in God’s WORD. REVELATION 22:9; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14. The issue is over OBEDIENCE and DISOBEDIENCE.

No one has received the MARK OF THE BEAST until it become ENFORCED UNDER CIVIL LAW *REVELATION 13:16-17. The issue will be over worship *REVELATION 13:8; 13:12; 13:15; 14:7; 14:11; MATTHEW 15:3-9. Do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD and keep ALL THE COMMANDMETNS of GOD *REVELATION 22:9; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14 or do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW the MOTHER OF HARLOTS *The MOTHER of all UNFAITHFUL CHURCHES, and RECEIVE the MARK of the BEAST? Which will you choose?

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).


God bless.
 
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THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS OVER WORSHIP

REVELATION 14:7, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

NOTE: This scripture is not only about announcing God’s judgment where the standard in the judgment will be God’s Commandments, it is a direct call to worship God as the creator. How do we worship the creator?

God’s 4th Commandment says;

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
[9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
[10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT

Why does God’s 4th commandment start off to REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY? God knew that mankind would forsake it to follow the man-made teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. Even in Paul’s day the mystery of iniquity was already at work *2 THESSALONIANS 2:5-8; ACTS 20:29-30 who will think to change times and laws

DANIEL 7:25 [25], And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The MARK OF THE BEAST is over worship. Let's look at the scriptures...

REVELATION 13:8
[8], And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

REVELATION 13:12-16;
[12], And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them who dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13], And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14], And deceives them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, that had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15], And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16], And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads

REVELATION 14:7-12.
[7], Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment has come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
[8], And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
[9], And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[10], The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out undiluted into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[11], And the smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.
[12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

God’s 4th COMMANDMENT is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

If we KNOWINGLY break any one of God’s 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. God’s 4th Commandment is the ONLY commandment that is a MEMORIAL of creation and a call to worship GOD as the creator of heaven and earth. Nearly all mankind has forgotten God’s 4th commandment.

There is not one scripture in all of God’s WORD that says God’s 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY day.

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CONCLUSION: God’s commandments are the standard of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; PSALMS 119:172. The whole world has neglected God’s 4th Commandment despite there being not a single scripture for it’s change. We are to whoship God as the creator of heaven and earth. This is a call back to REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY. God’s 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments. If we KNOWINGLY break it just like any of the other commandments we commit sin and sin will keep all those who KNOWINGLY practice it out of God’s KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JAMES 2:10-11.

God bless...
 
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Not really brother you are not correct here. These KINGS were from the 10 conqoured KINGDOMS from the of the ROMAN EMPIRE which make up the 10 HORNS from the 4th BEAST of DANIEL 7. Three have been plucked up (no more) the others are continuing as part of Europe all as God's WORD has said it would.
The ten kings have to be alive when God sets up a kingdom which is everlasting.

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
 
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The ten kings have to be alive when God sets up a kingdom which is everlasting.

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Did you read about who the 10 divisions and kingdoms are who came out of the fall of the western (2nd leg Daniel 2) refer to today and how they are today a part of Europe? Also, did you read the 3 of these kingdoms were uprooted on the rise to power of the little Horn (papal form of the little Horn)?

Please re-read posts # 79 linked; and post # 80 linked. Your post here has already been addressed earlier in the linked posts.

In regards to Daniel 2:44 (all the kingdoms) in the days of these kingdoms (and kings) God's kingdom represents God's people (God's true followers). God has always had his faithful representing his kingdom throughout all the reign of these kings and Kingdoms to this present day.
 
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How can ten kings be alive when God sets up his Kingdom brother? Did you read about who the 10 divisions and kingdoms are who came out of the fall of the western (2nd leg Daniel 2) refer to today and how they are today a part of Europe? Also, did you read the 3 of these kingdoms were uprooted on the rise to power of the little Horn (papal form of the little Horn)?
I read your post and the flaws in it. SDA has wrongly identified who the ten kings are. They have to be alive in the end times to comply with Daniel 2:44.

The ten kings are ten leaders of the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire. They are end times kings who are about to come to power. They will be in power when Jesus returns to bring the Kingdom of God here to earth, to be the ruling kingdom over all nations.

The EU is the end times version of the Roman Empire. 60 years of the Rome Treaties - European Union - European Commission

The ten kings have their crowns in Revelation 13:1 to rule with the person as he has become the beast for the last 42 months of the seven years. So they are here when Jesus returns. Revelation 17:12-14.
 
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I read your post and the flaws in it. SDA has wrongly identified who the ten kings are. They have to be alive in the end times to comply with Daniel 2:44.

The ten kings are ten leaders of the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire. They are end times kings who are about to come to power. They will be in power when Jesus returns to bring the Kingdom of God here to earth, to be the ruling kingdom over all nations.

The EU is the end times version of the Roman Empire. 60 years of the Rome Treaties - European Union - European Commission

The ten kings have their crowns in Revelation 13:1 to rule with the person as he has become the beast for the last 42 months of the seven years. So they are here when Jesus returns. Revelation 17:12-14.

Well brother with all respect that post is not true. If you disagree with posts # 79 linked; and post # 80 linked and all the scriptures in it then show why you disagree from God's WORD. Simply saying someone is wrong when a stack of scriptures and historical evidence has been provided only shows your interpretation of the scriptures is in error.

Some of the nations from the EU do indeed have their origin fom the Roman Empire as shown in an earlier post to you, however the scriptures do not support your view as you have described it above. Nothing personal brother but who should we believe you or God's WORD *ACTS 5:29; ROMANS 3:4? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.
 
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Well brother with all respect that post is not true. If you disagree with posts # 79 linked; and post # 80 linked and all the scriptures in it then show why you disagree from God's WORD. Simply saying someone is wrong when a stack of scriptures and historical evidence has been provided only shows your interpretation of the scriptures is in error.
It is not ten nations in the text of Daniel 7 but ten kings of one kingdom. The ten kings, leaders, may each be over a block of nations of the EU.

I didn't think I would have to list the ten groups and their kings at the time, that you cited because those are commonly known to be the SDA view, as being historic, to go along with the SDA and reformer view that the Pope/Papacy is the little horn, Antichrist, beast.

I gave you specific scripture - Daniel 2:44 and Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:12-14 to show why the SDA identification of the ten kings is wrong. And stated why. The ten kings rule with the beast. They have their kingdom for one hour to rule with him. The one hour is the 42 months in Revelation 13:5.

12 And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour.

13 These have one mind, and they give their power and authority unto the beast.

14 These shall war against the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings; and they [also shall overcome] that are with him, called and chosen and faithful.

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Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
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I have given you scripture, after scripture, after scripture, to show you why the SDA view of the pope/papacy as the little horn, Antichrist, beast is wrong.

1. The pope is not qualified to be the Antichrist
2. The timeframes of the bible in Revelation are misinterpreted by the SDA.
3. The SDA view misinterpretes who the woman is in Revelation 12.
4. The SDA incorrectly identifies the ten kings.

And after I have given you the scriptures proving so - you come back to me and say I haven't given any scripture to prove so. Really?
 
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This MARK is received in the HAND which means to act out and do what the BEAST commands in WORSHIPPING the BEASTS image (you do not have to believe the BEAST), while to receive the MARK in the FOREHEAD means to BELIEVE and do what the BEAST commands *REVELATION 13:15-16.
Are you trying to say that the Mark of his name (the beast), his name, and his number will not be physical ?

If so, maybe I missed it, but where did you state the Mark of his name (the beast), his name, his number will not be physical?
 
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It is not ten nations in the text of Daniel 7 but ten kings of one kingdom. The ten kings, leaders, may each be over a block of nations of the EU.

Please brother if you disagree with posts # 79 linked; and post # 80 linked and all the scriptures in it then show why you disagree from God's WORD. You have not addressed the linked posts above but are simply repeating yourself. As shown in the previous posts above already the 10 Kingdoms come out of the 4th Beast which the scriptures identify as the Roman Empire.

DANIEL 7:7-8
[7], After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
[8], I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

DANIEL 7:19-25
[19], Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
[20], And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spoke very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
[21], I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
[22], Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
[23], Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
[24], And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
[25], And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The scripture does not say that the 10 kings may be over a block of nations in the EU. The scriptures also say that on the rise to power of the little horn three of these kingdoms would be plucked up (destroyed). You have ignored this section in your interpretation and continue to state 10 kings instead of 7 as stated in Daniel 7. So your statements here are simply your own words and private interpretation of the scriptures which is against prophetic interpretation *2 PETER 1:20

I didn't think I would have to list the ten groups and their kings at the time, that you cited because those are commonly known to be the SDA view, as being historic, to go along with the SDA and reformer view that the Pope/Papacy is the little horn, Antichrist, beast.

So if you agree why do you seem to be promoting something that is different?

I gave you specific scripture - Daniel 2:44 and Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:12-14 to show why the SDA identification of the ten kings is wrong. And stated why. The ten kings rule with the beast. They have their kingdom for one hour to rule with him. The one hour is the 42 months in Revelation 13:5.

Brother what you provided did not show anything was wrong whatsoever. DANIEL 2:44 as responded to in post # 79 linked, shows that the 4th KINGDOM which are the legs of iron represent the ROMAN EMPIRE (eastern and western division). This is the same power from the 4th BEAST (Kingdom) of the 10 Kings (Horns) identified from the 10 divisions of the Western ROMANS. The little Horn comes up after the division.

Brother you also ignored a question asked of you. The scriptures show that on the rise to power of the little Horn, three kingdoms would be plucked up. Please explain then how in your view the same 10 kings would rule with the BEAST as outlined in DANIEL 7? Your trying to apply a scripture from REVELATION 13 to DANIEL 7 which says three of the 10 Kings would be no more when the little horn rises to power.

So no brother it is your interpretation of the scriptures that is incorrect. If you disagree please address the linked posts and all the scriptures and historical references that disagree with you.

I have given you scripture, after scripture, after scripture, to show you why the SDA view of the pope/papacy as the little horn, Antichrist, beast is wrong.

Yet we have gone through everyone of your scriptures and your interpretation of them bringing them to the light of God's WORD and shown that your interpretation of the scriptures when examined are not correct. When this is done you will not address these posts and scriptures that disagree with you but simply choose to ignore them. Please brother if you make claims you need to be able to prove your claims with the scriptures or address the posts and scriptures that disagree with you. So far you have not.

1. The pope is not qualified to be the Antichrist

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. This has already been addressed with the scriptures in detail with historical references which you have simply ignored. The Pope's office and the Roman Catholic Church fits perfectly to the 10 key points of the little horn of DANIEL 7 as outlined in post # 80 linked.

DANIEL 7
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Arises out of the fourth beast/Rome, Vs 8, 24.
2. Arises after the 10 horns/10 divisions of western Rome, Vs 8, 24.
3. Arises among the 10 horns/10 divisions of western Rome, V 8.
4. As he arose he plucked up 3 horns by the roots/exterminated 3 kingdoms of western Rome, Vs 8, 24.
5. Began little but became more stout, greater or more arrogant than his fellows, Vs 8, 20.
6. Diverse, or different, from the others, V 24.
7. Eyes like the eyes of man, speak great words, which is blasphemy against the Most High, Vs 8, 25. The Bible defines blasphemy as; when being only a man you make yourself as God. (John 10:30-33) Also claiming to be able to forgive sins when only a man. (Mark 2:5-7)
8. Thinks to change times and laws, V 25.
9. Wears out, that is persecutes the saints, V25.
10. He would reign for a time, times, and the dividing/half a time, V 25.

2. The timeframes of the bible in Revelation are misinterpreted by the SDA.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Prove it. The timelines match up perfectly with the scriptures as already shown here and elsewhere. All I am hearing is your words over God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should beleive and follow it. If you disagree please show why with the scriptures and respond to the questions and scriptures provided that disagree with you.

3. The SDA view misinterpretes who the woman is in Revelation 12.

"DITTO" Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Prove it. The timelines match up perfectly with the scriptures as already shown here and elsewhere. All I am hearing is your words over God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should beleive and follow it. If you disagree please show why with the scriptures and respond to the questions and scriptures provided that disagree with you.

4. The SDA incorrectly identifies the ten kings.

"DITTO" Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Prove it. The timelines match up perfectly with the scriptures as already shown here and elsewhere. All I am hearing is your words over God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should beleive and follow it. If you disagree please show why with the scriptures and respond to the questions and scriptures provided that disagree with you.

And after I have given you the scriptures proving so - you come back to me and say I haven't given any scripture to prove so. Really?

Well yes brother you are still to address many of the posts and scriptures provided that disprove your claims here. All of your posts have been addressed scripture by scripture showing that your interpretation is your own and does not line up accoding to God's WORD.

Now brother you are free to believe as you wish but please do not make claims that are not true. Alternatively, we will have to agree to disagree. Time will tell as there is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed.

God bless.
 
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Are you trying to say that the Mark of his name (the beast), his name, and his number will not be physical ?

No brother. The scriptures do however, as shown in posts # 82 linked; 83 linked; 84 linked and 85 linked. There is a lot of scripture provided in these posts brother proving what the mark of the beast is and the seal of God. If you disagree then prove the mark is literal like you are claiming from the Word of God alone.

If so, maybe I missed it, but where did you state the Mark of his name (the beast), his name, his number will not be physical?

This has already been answered in posts # 82 linked; 83 linked; 84 linked please read it.

REVELATION 13:18, Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three score and six.

Want wisdom? CLICK ME.

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The scripture does not say that the 10 kings may be over a block of nations in the EU. The scriptures also say that on the rise to power of the little horn three of these kingdoms
No, it does not say that each of the ten kings may be over a lock of nations in the EU. I am say that is a possibility since there are 28 nations in the EU.

The scriptures do not say "kingdoms" either, as you are saying. But kings. The scriptures say one kingdom - the fourth kingdom.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The fourth kingdom in the end times is the EU. The European Union has the population and the military power and their gross national product is greater than the United States.

The pope/papacy on the other hand has no military to speak of.
 
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You have ignored this section in your interpretation and continue to state 10 kings instead of 7 as stated in Daniel 7
First there has to be the ten kings. The little horn removes 3. But it is still ten kings in Revelation 13:1 with 42 months left in the 7 years. So he has to replace with the three he removes with three others.
DITTO" Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Prove it.
I already have proved that the SDA is wrong about the identity of the ten kings - multiple times.
The Pope's office and the Roman Catholic Church fits perfectly to the 10 key points of the little horn of DANIEL 7 as outlined in post # 80 linked.
The pope/papacy did not commit the transgression of desolation - and stopping the daily sacrifice, which the vision of the little horn is time of the end. Not the pope/papacy.

10. He would reign for a time, times, and the dividing/half a time, V 25.
His time, times, half times reign will coincide with the time, times, half times that Satan has left in Revelation 12:14, after he is kicked down from the second heaven.

The little horn is one end times person - not an office to be held by many persons over a long period of time.
 
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All I am hearing is your words over God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should beleive and follow it. If you disagree please show why with the scriptures and respond to the questions and scriptures provided that disagree with you.
When you say this over and over- after I prove using scripture after scripture - it indicates that you are in a state of denial of the truth. You just can't handle it.

You have too much of this platitude filler in your posts, that make them difficult to read. Please dispense with the platitudes.
 
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No brother.
So, you agree that the Mark of his name (the beast), his name, the number of his name is physical? So what is his name, not his title, but his name? And provide a picture of the Mark of his name (the beast).
 
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Did you read about who the 10 divisions and kingdoms are who came out of the fall of the western (2nd leg Daniel 2) refer to today and how they are today a part of Europe? Also, did you read the 3 of these kingdoms were uprooted on the rise to power of the little Horn (papal form of the little Horn)?
It has to be ten kings, leaders. The ten leaders are unknown at this time. It is not ten kingdoms; that's one of the flaws of some of SDA thinking.
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When the EU reorganizes and those ten leaders are in place, the end times bible prophecy leading into the 7 years is going to be like a whirlwind.
 
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No, it does not say that each of the ten kings may be over a lock of nations in the EU. I am say that is a possibility since there are 28 nations in the EU.

It is not a possibility brother as there is no scripture for this idea it is your own interpretation that is not supported by the scriptures. Also, it does not match the scriptures shown earlier in DANIEL 7:7-8; 23-25 which say that on the rise to power of the little Horn, three kingdoms would be plucked up. Please explain then how in your view the same 10 kings would rule with the BEAST as outlined in DANIEL 7 when three of those kingdoms are no more?

The scriptures do not say "kingdoms" either, as you are saying. But kings. The scriptures say one kingdom - the fourth kingdom.

Brother you posted the same scriptures that disagree with the very statement you make claiming that the scriptures do not say kingdoms. Yet the scripture says that the forth beast is the fourth kingdom and the horns represent kings that will arise out of this BEAST. Now brother really, think about what you are saying here. Can a king be a king without a kingdom? *DANIEL 7:23-25

The fourth kingdom in the end times is the EU. The European Union has the population and the military power and their gross national product is greater than the United States.

Your mixing up your scriptures now brother. Let's test your claim that the EU is the fourth BEAST of DANIEL 7. The scriptures say...

DANIEL 7:3-8
[3], And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
[4], The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand on the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
[5], And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus to it, Arise, devour much flesh.
[6], After this I beheld, and see another, like a leopard, which had on the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
[7], After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
[8], I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

NOTE: Please explain in your interpretation that the fourth BEAST is the EU how the EU fits the description of the fourth BEAST by devouring the whole earth and treads it down and breaks it in pieces coming out of the other BEASTS? WHAT are the three BEASTS the are before your interpretation of the fourth BEAST being the EU?

DANIEL 7:23-25
[23], Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

NOTE: Please explain in your interpretation that the fourth BEAST is the EU how the EU fits the description of the fourth BEAST by devouring the whole earth and treads it down and breaks it in pieces?

The pope/papacy on the other hand has no military to speak of.

DANIEL 7:24-25
[24], And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
[25], And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

NOTE: Where in the scriptures does it say that the Pope/papacy has to have military? Are you getting Pagan ROMAN empire mixed up with the Papacy and little Horn of DANIEL 7? DANIEL 7:7-8; 23-25 which say that on the rise to power of the little Horn, three kingdoms would be plucked up. Please explain then how in your view the same 10 kings would rule with the BEAST as outlined in DANIEL 7 when three of those kingdoms are no more? How does the EU wear out the saints of the most high? How does the EU change times and laws? How does the EU destroy three kingdoms on its rise to power in fulfillment of DANIEL 7:7-8; 23-25?

Brother can you see nothing you are claiming here is matching up with the scriptures?

Only sent as a help.

God bless.
 
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First there has to be the ten kings. The little horn removes 3. But it is still ten kings in Revelation 13:1 with 42 months left in the 7 years. So he has to replace with the three he removes with three others.

Brother, the scriptures do not say this at all. The scriptures say this about the 4th BEAST that you interpret as the EU.

DANIEL 7:8-9
[7], After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
[8], I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

DANIEL 7:24-25
[24], And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
[25], And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

NOTE: The scriptures say that there are 10 kings from the fourth beast you say is the EU but cannot match up the scriptures with. Now the scriptures says that on the rise to power of the little horn, three KINGS will be uprooted (NO MORE). This leaves only 7 KINGS on the rise to power of the little horn of DANIEL 7. Where in DANIEL 7 does it say that there is still 10 kings? Where in DANIEL 7 does it say the three KINGS that have been uprooted will be replaced? Please show these scriptures from DANIEL 7.

Can you see brother you are reading into the scriptures something that is not there? Your interpretation does not match those of the fourth BEAST being the EU or does it match the earlier scriptures in relation to the three beasts that are before it. Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Only sent in all respect and love. You do not need to answer the questions above. At least think and pray about them in your own time.

I already have proved that the SDA is wrong about the identity of the ten kings - multiple times. The pope/papacy did not commit the transgression of desolation - and stopping the daily sacrifice, which the vision of the little horn is time of the end. Not the pope/papacy.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. You have not proven anything whatsoever and you have not responded to the posts provided to you showing a lot of scripture and historical references that disagree with you. Please brother if you disagree with posts # 79 linked; and post # 80 linked and all the scriptures in it then respond to them and show why you disagree from God's WORD. You have not addressed the linked posts above but are simply repeating yourself and making claims you have not proven. As shown in the previous posts above already the 10 Kingdoms come out of the 4th Beast which the scriptures and history identify as the Roman Empire. This is the same empire that the Roman Catholic Chuch (papacy) comes out of and is still with us today. These powers match EVERY point of the DANIEL 7 scriptures. Meanwhile your not able to show a single connection on how the EU fits the scriptures of DANIEL 7 being the fourth BEAST. Who should we believe then, you or God's WORD?

His time, times, half times reign will coincide with the time, times, half times that Satan has left in Revelation 12:14, after he is kicked down from the second heaven.

Brother you do know that a times, times and half time represents three and a half years or in bible prophecy or 1260 years? This also matches with other prophetic timelines using the day for a year guide.

NUMBERS 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

In this verse, a relationship between day and year is clear, each day will equate to a literal year. For the forty days that Israel spied in Canaan in unbelief, they would be punished by wandering forty years in the desert.

and again...

EZEKIEL 4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.Brother all of this has already been addressed in the 2nd part of post # 52 linked with all the scriptures applied to the 42 months which = 1260 day/years and time and times and half a time (3 1/2 years = 3 x 360 + 180 = 1260 day/years) in reference to DANIEL 7:25; 12:7; REVELATION 11:3; 12:6; 14; 13:5 . It seems you either missed it or chose to ignored it. Not sure which. If you disagree with anything in this post please show why?

Brother DANIEL 7 does not say that the little HORN or EU's reign coincides with Satan being kicked out of the second heaven. This is something your adding to the scriptures of DANIEL 7 that it not written there.

The little horn is one end times person - not an office to be held by many persons over a long period of time.

Brother please consider your statement here carefully as it shows your error here. Your claim is that the little HORN of DANIEL 7 is a person. DANIEL 7 says that the little HORN that comes out of the fourth BEAST continues for 1260 years. *see post # 52 linked with all the scriptures applied to the 42 months which = 1260 day/years and time and times and half a time (3 1/2 years = 3 x 360 + 180 = 1260 day/years) in reference to DANIEL 7:25; 12:7; REVELATION 11:3; 12:6; 14; 13:5 .

PLEASE explain how a person can live for 1260 years, conqour and uproot three kingdoms on it's rise to power and come out of the fourth BEAST of DANIEL 7?

Sent in all love brother

God bless.
 
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