How Free Will Destroys the Gospel

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I think the point is some will attach themselves to Christ but are not His. Thus the Many called few chosen and the I never knew You statements.

Judas case in point. Jesus said in John 6 that He chose all of them yet one was a devil. So that the Scriptures may be fulfilled.

So did Judas have a fighting chance or as one man told me once “boy did Pharoah and Judas get a raw deal.” ?

No need to answer just something to ponder.

Pharaoh and Judas were chosen because God had foreseen their outcome. Just as he’s seen everyone’s outcome even before creation when He wrote the book of life.
 
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"My sheep hear my voice..." so on and so forth, I assume you know the rest...

"Not it's place to judge, not it's/our business precious, Golum, Golum"... (guess what movie)...

Especially and/or over people of the past, not our business nor our place to judge... Our time and concerns are the "present" and the now, and we realize that we my have to sometimes pass judgement in the here and now, but we do not have to judge people, especially people of the past, that/who have been judged already, a long, long time ago...

"Not it's place to judge, not it's/our business precious"...

We must judge only what we have to judge in the here and now, and not be to quick to judge (and/or criticize and/or condemn) anyone... And if we do or should or have to, it should only be in our own houses and among our own members, and leave everything else to God, pray about it if you wish, ect, and trust God with it, or the rest of them... If it does not start with us, how or why even would they ever want to become one of us, or be with and around us...?

God Bless!
 
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Yet He used ye when speaking in verses 4 and 5. And in verse 10 He refers to the same audience the apostles as both in the you and ye in the same sentence.

Again Judas just left and some were wondering what’s going on and who was to betray Jesus. Then this allegory of the Vine.

Bless you my friend. Can you please answer my original question?

Why does Jesus feel the need to tell His faithful 11 apostles to abide in Him if they cannot turn away?
 
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Bless you my friend. Can you please answer my original question?

Why does Jesus feel the need to tell His faithful 11 apostles to abide in Him if they cannot turn away?
I thought I did. He was reassuring them they were not an unfruitful branch like Judas. Jesus confirms this in verse 16 assuring them their fruit would be kept.

The context demands this.
 
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You are born again or you could not believe. More importantly, Christ died especially for you or you could not believe.

But your belief comes first...it just does not come from thin air! You accept it as truth.
 
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None of us left to our own device though will choose to love and obey God, as being sinners, we are war with Him !

Romans 10 ...if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
 
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I believe an important verse to consider here is John 10:27. His sheep hear and follow. I believe this is a prerequisite of being His sheep not a result of being His sheep. We must make a choice to follow before we become His sheep. Furthermore I believe following must be continuous journey not a one time act. The word follow can be implied as in the present tense. This would be supported by John 15 in how we must abide and Matthew 24:9-13 as well as Matthew 10:22.

We can't make ourselves His sheep! We don't seek God or desire Him before He quickens us. When He changes us we follow (present and future tense). A sheep doesn't turn into a non-sheep. How can you believe that?

Ephesians 2
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins,
hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved); 6
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

1 John 3
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Does a Christian have His Spirit?

Romans 8
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Until He gives us His Spirit, we don't belong to Him; we're still walking in darkness and don't know that we need a Savior. The preaching of the cross is foolishness to the non-Christian.

When He gives us His Spirit, it isn't a temporary gift. We need His Spirit.

Hebrews 13
5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

John 14
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

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Some relevant themes in Holy Scriptures:

With the distinction between free agency and free will defined, compatibilism then addresses the nature of the free agency of man in respect to the theological proposition known as determinism and/or the biblical truth of the omniscient nature of God. The foundational issue is how man can be held accountable for his actions if his actions were always going to occur (i.e., the future is not subject to change) and could not have been anything other than that which occurred. Although there are numerous passages of Scripture that address this issue, there are three primary passages to examine.

The story of Joseph and his brothers
The first is the story of Joseph and his brothers (Genesis 37). Joseph was hated by his brothers because their father, Jacob, loved Joseph more than any of his other sons (Genesis 37:3) and because of Joseph’s dreams and their interpretation (Genesis 37:5-11). At an opportune time, Joseph’s brothers sold him as a slave to traveling Midianite traders. Then they dipped his tunic in the blood of a slain goat in order to deceive their father into thinking Joseph had been mauled by a beast (Genesis 37:18-33). After many years, during which Joseph had been blessed by the Lord, Joseph’s brothers meet him in Egypt, and Joseph reveals himself to them (Genesis 45:3-4). It is Joseph’s discussion with his brothers that is most pertinent to the issue:

“So then, it was not you who sent me here, but God. He made me father to Pharaoh, lord of his entire household and ruler of all Egypt” (Genesis 45:8).

What makes this statement startling is that Joseph had previously said his brothers had, in fact, sold him into Egypt (Genesis 45:4-5). A few chapters later, the concept of compatibilism is presented:

“You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives” (Genesis 50:20).

The Genesis story tells us that it was, in fact, the brothers who sold Joseph into Egypt. However, Joseph makes it clear that God had done so. Those who reject the concept of compatibilism would say that this verse is simply stating that God “used” Joseph’s brothers’ actions for good. However, this is not what the text says. From Genesis 45-50, we are told that (1) Joseph’s brothers had sent Joseph to Egypt, (2) God had sent to Joseph to Egypt, (3) Joseph’s brothers had evil intentions in sending Joseph to Egypt, and (4) God had good intentions in sending Joseph to Egypt. So, the question is, who sent Joseph to Egypt? The bewildering answer is that both Joseph’s brothers and God did. It was one action being carried out by two entities, the brothers and God doing it simultaneously.

The commission of Assyria
The second passage that reveals compatibilism is found in Isaiah 10, a prophetic warning passage for God’s people. As divinely promised in Deuteronomy 28-29, God is sending a nation to punish His people for their sins. Isaiah 10:6 says that Assyria is the rod of God’s anger, “commissioned” against God’s people to “seize loot and snatch plunder, and to trample them down like mud in the streets.” Notice, however, what God says about Assyria:

“Yet [Assyria] does not so intend, Nor does it plan so in its heart, But rather it is its purpose to destroy And to cut off many nations” (Isaiah 10:7, NASB).

God’s intent in the Assyrian invasion is to inflict His righteous judgment against sin, and the intent of the Assyrians is to “destroy and cut off many nations.” Two different purposes, two different entities acting to bring about this purpose, in one, single action. As we read further, God reveals that, although this destruction is determined and decreed by Him (Isaiah 10:23), He will still punish the Assyrians because of the “arrogant heart of the king of Assyria and the pomp of his haughtiness” (Isaiah 10:12, cf. Isaiah 10:15). Even though God Himself had infallibly determined the judgment of a disobedient people, He holds those who brought the judgment accountable for their own actions.

The crucifixion of Jesus Christ
The third passage of Scripture that speaks of compatibilism is found in Acts 4:23-28. As revealed in Acts 2:23-25, Christ’s death on the cross was carried out by the “predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God.” Acts 4:27-28 further reveals that the actions of Herod, Pontius Pilate, the Gentiles, and the people of Israel had been determined and decreed by God Himself to occur as they “gathered together against” Jesus and did “what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen.” Although God had determined that Christ should die, those responsible for His death were still held accountable for their actions. Christ was put to death by wicked men, “yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer” (Isaiah 53:10). Once again, the answer to the question "who put Jesus to death?" is both God and the wicked people—two purposes carried out by two entities within a single action.

There are other passages of Scripture that pertain to the concept of compatibilism, such as God hardening the hearts of individuals (e.g., Exodus 4:21; Joshua 11:20; Isaiah 63:17). While compatibilism seems bewildering to us (Job 9:10; Isaiah 55:8-11; Romans 11:33), this truth has been revealed by God Himself as the means by which His sovereign decree is reconciled with the will of man. God is sovereign over all things (Psalm 115:3, Daniel 4:35, Matthew 10:29-30), God knows all things (Job 37:16; Psalm 147:5; 1 John 3:19-20), and man is held accountable for what he does (Genesis 18:25; Acts 17:31; Jude 1:15). Truly, His ways are unfathomable (Job 9:10; Romans 11:33), and so we should trust in the Lord with all our hearts and lean not on our own understanding (Proverbs 3:5-6).


What is compatibilism?

I love and appreciate you as a brother in Christ. I can always count on a Scriptural conversation with you! Since that is where all Truth comes from I really appreciate that about you!

I love those Truths, though I see them as a testimony of God's absolute providence/sovereignty to make "all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose" (Romans 8:28) without removing the individual agents' free will to make their own decisions. And, I also look to Job. God allowed him to lose everything except his breath and then God restored double. Where did that double come from? God took the blame for allowing satan to attack Job (Job 2:3 in his own words, Job 42:11 in the narrator's words) and God undid it (Job 42:10,12). People, of their own free will, brought him gifts; but that was because God blessed him and everyone knew it. The only ones who did it under compulsion were the three friends directly and severely chastised by LORD. And, if God appears to me and gives me severe correction and tells me what I better do so I can be forgiven, I'm doing what He says, too! But, He didn't control their actions, He just appeared to them and told them what they had to do to right their own wrong. Going back to the beginning of the story, listen to what satan says to God in Job 1:9-11. So, God removes His protection for "a perfect and upright man, one that fears God and eschews evil" and allows satan to "move" others against Job. It appears that satan has just manipulated God into doing something until you get to the end where Job really knows the God He was always worshipping (big benefit) and everything is doubled. Does satan have free will? Yes. But, who manipulated who? Who is the one who brought Job to satan's attention in the first place by bragging on His boy? Satan talking about God's hedge suggests that the Sabeans and Chaldeans would have attacked and taken Job's stuff earlier, if they could have and suggests that they were listening to the wrong voice (satan's). Jesus said: My sheep hear My voice and a stranger's [voice] they will not follow. Note that Scripture doesn't say His sheep don't hear the stranger's voice. Another thing I like about this section in Job 1 is it shows how people say things that aren't necessarily true about God. It wasn't the fire of God that fell from heaven and burned up the sheep, like the honest Testimony of God shares that the servant said. Likewise the great wind that destroyed and killed wasn't from God, either. Although, because God removed the protection and allowed satan's attacks, He takes ultimate responsibility for what was done, as He should have. But, neither God nor satan forced the Sabeans or Chaldeans to attack Job against their will. Neither God nor satan forced the three friends to reason and try to convince Job that he deserved what happened and that he needed to repent for whatever he was hiding. Neither God nor satan forced Job's wife to turn quickly against him and God. All these things happened within the context of depraved human beings free will.

I believe that is what can also be said about the story of Joseph. The brothers were jealous and resented Joseph. You could even say they were bitter against him. So much so that they considered killing him (Genesis 37:19-20) But Reuben wouldn't let them kill him and instead suggested casting him in a pit, because it was Reuben's intention to get him back to his dad (Genesis 37:21-22). It was Judah's idea to sell him to the Ishmeelites (Gen 37:26-7) while Reuben was gone. And they acted and sold him to Midianite merchantmen (Ishmeelites), before Reuben returned (Gen 37:29-30) And the midianites brought him into Egypt and sold him there to Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh's (Gen 37:36).

God's providence is certainly at hand in the bigger picture; but He doesn't have to violate free will. Some brothers wanted to kill Joseph using their free will. The eldest brother, using his free will, talked them out of it. Judah, using his free will convinced them to sell their brother and lie about what really happened. They meant it for evil. They wanted to get rid of Joseph and never thought they would see them again.

But, in God's absolute sovereignty, He meant what He allowed to happen to Joseph for a greater good. Again working all things out for good.... He allowed that to happen to Joseph to fulfill exactly what He told Joseph, his brothers and his father, through his dreams. God absolutely fulfilled His plan and used the brother's free will to accomplish it. Joseph recognizes God's sovereignty in the whole thing, because had they not acted like they did, he wouldn't have been in position to save anyone from the famine. But, God didn't make them do evil. They did the evil of their own free will by listening to the wrong voice because they were envious of their brother Joseph. Just like in Job, God didn't allow Joseph to be killed, so he wasn't. And, just like Job, it wasn't a happy ride through all the crap Joseph had to go through to achieve God's end purpose. And, just like Job, I am quite certain Joseph didn't see God's hand in what God was allowing or why God was allowing it, until after the fact. But, in the end, Joseph recognized why God allowed what God allowed to happen to him. So, while they were concerned he might kill them,because they knew that they had evil intentions; Joseph knew that God allowed it for a bigger purpose that Joseph understood. So, how could he remain bitter and vengeful?

I think the same general argument holds for the Assyrians. God allows what is naturally on their mind when He removes the supernatural protections for the purpose of judgment/chastisement.

And, yes, Jesus' crucifixion. Why stop there, though? How many times did they want to stone Jesus and they couldn't. In fact, it was never a question of the will of the jealous leaders to kill Jesus. It is more of a question of why they couldn't. Jesus told us: "My time has not come." When it was time, it was allowed. The many other times, He was just able to disappear (Divine protection)--even walking right through the crowd trying to stone Him. How does that happen, apart from divine intervention?

And Jesus talked about everything needing to be fulfilled as it was written. God told us what was going to happen ahead of time. God called His shots! And, in His Absolute Sovereignty was and is able to 100% fulfill His promises/prophesies/guarantees AND He can absolutely do it without violating the free will He desired us to have. He just supernaturally intervenes.

So, just like with Joseph. The events surrounding the crucifixion of Jesus Christ were normal events that routinely happened by our own free will. God just divinely orchestrated the timing of the events to work out in such a way that it accomplished all His prophesies (so we could believe He was behind it) and His purposes (to fulfil His desires).

So, Joseph's famous words: "You meant it for evil, but God meant it for good" wasn't so much to absolve his brothers of guilt; but to state that God had a higher purpose for allowing what they meant for evil. And Joseph recognized that higher purpose and wasn't going to treat them badly, because He saw God's greater plan.

I, too, can look in the rearview mirror and see God's hand sovereignly allowing me to go through some of the things I have gone through to bring me to where I am. I couldn't do what I do today, if I had won some of the battles that He allowed me to lose. In the moment, I didn't understand why He allowed certain things. But, I couldn't do what I am doing today, if I hadn't lost those battles. That doesn't absolve those who did evil of their free will choices to do the wrong things; but, it gives me a greater perspective of why God allowed some things to happen, so I don't have to be bitter about the evil that was done to me by those people.

I disagree with compatiblism. I believe God is just so sovereign that He can adjust and overcome supernaturally something He doesn't want to happen, without removing free will. For instance, a guy who doesn't usually miss can shoot at point blank range and miss. A king can imprison Peter with the intent on chopping his head off and without anyone's free will choices being affected, God can send an angel to free Peter from the prison, even before Peter realizes what is really happening. Without violating free will, God can deliver Paul and Silas from a prison with an earthquake or using free will can get Paul rescued from an angry mob in one instance or seemingly killed (and arguably supernaturally brought back to life) in another. The jailor used his free will to go from planning on killing himself to asking what he must do to be saved. The natives used their free will to reason Paul was a killer when he got bit by the deadly snake and then a god when he didn't die. None of them were or had to be controlled by God. He only had to manage the circumstances that led to their use of free will and reason and the outcomes that resulted from their exercise of free will to produce His desired results.
 
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completing the transaction would be a work. Calvinism is so screwed up.:doh:
I'm not a Calvinist but think they are right in some areas. But as the OP says, God saved you or you would not believe enough to choose to believe.
 
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But your belief comes first...it just does not come from thin air! You accept it as truth.
Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22) you must first have before you can believe. You believe because you are saved. You are not saved because you believe.
 
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I missed the oart where believing the gospel destroyed my free will. A little background here might be helpfull. Before hearing the gosoel God reveal to you 2 things, you are a sinner and God is righteous (Romans 1:18-21). This is confirmed by you conscience, in fact it's often refered to as the witness of conscience (Romans 2:15), and we are all guilty before God (Romans 3:10). That's where the gospel, you think is such an intrustion on free will comes in, thw two words that changed the world, but now...the righteousnessif God is revealed (Romans 3:21-24)
The point I'm making is; free will turns the gospel into a law it can keep through obedience. Grace does not do this. Bound sinners who cannot keep a law hear the good news (gospel) announced that "whoever believes has eternal life". So they rejoice knowing it pertains to them because they believe it's true, what the evangelist is saying.
 
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I have to disagree with this one Dave. I have had too much personal experience and have heard too many credible testimonies to believe God does not communicate with us in many different ways.

Consider a man leaving work late and having the phrase 'stop and buy milk' in his head that he could not shake. He didn't get an answer when he tried to all his wife, but the thought was so persistent he stopped by the market and bought a gallon of milk. He then had the thought that he should turn down a certain street, one he never been on to the best of his knowledge. But at this point he was so flummoxed he turned. And obeyed the thoughts in his head telling him where to stop and deliver the milk at a tiny rundown house in a poor neighborhood. He was met at the door by a poorly dressed young Hispanic man. He stretched out his hands with the milk and said, 'this is for you' and the man grabbed the milk and ran to a back bedroom where an infant was crying. The man quickly returned and with his broken "Spanglish" communicated that it was two days before he would be paid, they had been robbed, they had no milk for the baby--the mother had had a double mastectomy--and they had been on their knees praying for help for their hungry child. The man teared up and pressed all the cash he had on him into the man's hands and left, praising God.

I believe that story. I think things like that happen all the time despite all the instances we know when it seems prayer is not answered.

I don't pretend to understand the ways of God or why/how he does things, but I know without doubt that he communicates with us in many ways.
God normally spoke through angels and visions in Acts. And through prophets until the close of the apostolic age. But praying for wisdom and having a burden to do certain things is common Christian experience. God lays it on our heart as he works in us to will and do of his good pleasure Philippians 2:13.
 
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So long as we abide and endure to the end brother Bill. ;)


Good Day, BNR32FAN

We are in Christ seated at the Father right hand... he is eternal, and abides so to shall we.

He is our great high priest and intercedes on our behalf, in that role he never fails.

Faith the Gift that keeps on giving!

In Him,

Bill
 
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I think what you may be getting at is the Bondage of the Will. Luther in his response to Erasmus coined this term. So for those playing at home this is not a Calvin deal but a Reformation deal and Luther was the main proponent.

Luther when opposing Erasmus used Romans 6 to show we have our wills for sure, but it is either in bondage to sin and death or slaves to Christ and righteousness.

Luther said to Erasmus,

It is in the highest degree wholesome and necessary, for a Christian to know whether or not his will has anything to do in matters pertaining to salvation. Indeed let me tell you, that is the hinge on which our discussion turns. . . . For if I am ignorant of the nature, extent, and limits of what I can and must do with reference to God, I shall be equally ignorant and uncertain of the nature, extent, and limits of what God can and will do in me. . . . Now, if I am ignorant of God’s works and power, I am ignorant of God himself; and if I do not know God, I cannot worship, praise, give thanks, or serve Him, for I do not know how much I should attribute to myself and how much to Him. (quoted in Luther Selections, 179)

More now of the pertinent info from a John Piper article:

Luther knew that Erasmus, more than any other opponent, had put his finger on the deeper issue at stake beneath the justification controversy and the controversy over the mass and indulgences and Mary and purgatory. And that issue was whether human beings are so sinful that God’s sovereign grace must create and decisively fulfill every human inclination to believe and obey God.

Erasmus did not believe this. Luther did — so did Calvin and Zwingli. Erasmus’s belief that the fallen human will contributed its own decisive self-determining power to the act of faith and the pursuit of holiness was, in Luther’s mind, a perilous underestimation of the desperate condition of man without Christ. In Gordon Rupp’s assessment of Luther’s debate with Erasmus, he commented, “At the end of the day, Luther could maintain the great Anselmian retort: ‘Thou hast not considered the gravity of sin’” (Luther and Erasmus, 12.).


And I think the following may be what you are getting at with regards to the Gospel:

And, Luther would add, the failure to see the gravity our sin and the depth of our corruption and the bondage of our will, if unchecked, will become an assault on the freedom and sovereignty and the glory of God’s grace in salvation, and therefore an assault on the very gospel itself. In 1528, Luther put it like this: “I condemn and reject as nothing but error all doctrines which exalt our ‘free will,’ as being directly opposed to [the] mediation and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ” (What Luther Says, Vol. 3, 1376–1377). By “free will,” I think he means decisive self-determination in acts of faith and obedience.

In another place he said,

This is my absolute opinion: he that will maintain that a man’s free-will is able to do or work anything in spiritual cases, be they never so small, denies Christ. This I have always maintained in my writings, especially in those against Erasmus. (The Tabletalk of Martin Luther, 206)

He doesn’t mean that the will is inactive. He means that wherever it is active in faith and obedience, God is decisively active, creating and fulfilling the acts.


Remainder of the piece well worth the read:


The Bondage of the Will, the Sovereignty of Grace, and the Glory of God
I like Luther's Bondage of the Will. But since you are tuned into Reformed Theology, I think I rub some of Calvin in the wrong way. Calvin taught universal atonement, or at least leaned heavily in that direction. So he needed an "offer of salvation" and the divine swaying of the will to accept it.

But as Dordt says, the atonement, limited to the elect, it actually saves those for whom it is intended. = No offer needed. Just an announcement (preaching of the gospel telling believers they have eternal life). So Limited atonement places us back with the original gospel as preached.
 
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Somehow I don't think the story of the Prodigal Son agrees with your view. Neither does this scripture.
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
The scripture tell us their reasoning....
Joh 11:47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
Joh 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.

Are men so different today when they refuse?


They statement was rather prophetic, the Romans did come and take away their nation but not because the people believed on Him.
The prodigal son represents a backslidden believer. Not salvation by works. Jerusalem = the city and religious government that would not repent bringing gloom and destruction on the citizens.
 
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God has the "power" and Love to save them, but many mature adults do not like Godly type Love (Charity) and will not humble themselves to the point of accepting pure charity. God is not going to force His Love on them, since that would not be Loving on God's part and they would not be receiving Godly type Love and thus have Godly type love to return that type Love to God.
But none seek after God, they have all gone out of the way. The only reason we believe is because God saved us giving us a new heart and a love for him and others. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. You believe because you are saved. You are not saved because you were a cut above the rest and decided to believe in the flesh.
 
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