WHO IS ISRAEL IN THE OLD AND NEW COVENANT?

ace of hearts · Nov 20, 2018

Per request.

LoveGodsWord said:
GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT

Gentiles are now grafted in...

ROMANS 11:16-27
[16], For if the firstfruit are holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

The root represents Christ...

True Christ is the Root. The Root isn't Israel, so you already defeat your argument.Who are these branches broken off? Isn't it Jews?

[17], And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree.

The you in your verse is someone different - a wild olive tree.

The wild olive tree is graft where? Your verse plainly says "among them." It doesn't into them. IOW the wild olive tree doesn't become a natural branch (Israel). No where in Scripture does is it indicated one becomes a Jew as some Jews in Acts 15 wanted. Please take note of verse 5. The Apostles said no and with a written in the following -
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

The only reason you push the idea Christians are Israel is to obligate Christians to the covenant given exclusively to Israel. Even Jews who accept the terms of the NC are free from that covenant called the law by Moses in Deut 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And 5:2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

This excludes the rest of the world.

The easiest verse to show even the Jews are free from that covenant is Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

The "we" in the verse includes Jews (Israel), of which Paul is a natural blood born member.

No where does salvation depend on the law in any way. This is supported by Jesus in John chapters 3, 5 and 10; Acts 15, 16 and 19. We live in/by/because of Jesus.
Jn 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

The Jewish and the Gentile believers are the branches grafted onto the root (Christ)...

Again you boldly post Christians are graft into the Root (Christ). No where in Scripture is the Root called Israel.What/who are the broken branches?

[18], Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you.
[19], You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
[20], Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not arrogant, but fear:

What/who are the broken branches?

What does even your bolded part of verse 18 say? You identified the Root as Jesus Christ.

God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD...

No where in Scripture are believers (NC Christians) called Israel.

Hos 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

Here God says those people won't be called Israel. Paul quotes this in Romans 9 along with commentary.

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

There's nothing indicating Christians will become Jews (Israel).

[21], For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also not spare you.

The natural branches are Israel. Those after the coma aren't.

[22], Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also shall be cut off.
[23], And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

[24], For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Who or what is this good olive tree? I do understand the change of terms here from Root to tree. If a person is naturally part of that tree, how can they be graft into it when they're already a part of it? So what are the natural branches graft into? The Root which is Jesus Christ, not Israel as you say more than once above.

[25], For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

I fully concur with the above verse and it's my prayer. I've no idea what the verse below has to do with the discussion.

[26], And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The NEW COVENANT is for both Jews and Greek, bond and free, all those who are in Christ. All in Christ are the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise.

But the covenant you want us to submit to is given only to Israel.

[27], For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

No more Jew or Greek, bond or free, male or female, if you are in Christ you are ISRAEL...

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

I see nothing about becoming Israel (a Jew) in the above quote. In fact chapter 5 says if you return to the law, Jesus doesn't help you. IOW you have no salvation.

5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

Abraham isn't Israel or a Jew. So neither the above or below quotes prove your point.

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

This doesn't support the idea gentile believers become Jews in any fashion.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

Neither of the above support your idea found in the title of this thread. The above quote mentions nothing about keeping the law in regard to salvation.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

This applies to Jews only.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Here's the full sentence quote of your partial sentence quote above -
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Please note it's a new covenant.

Please note it's not like the previous covenant.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Once again you leave out very important verses. This is to avoid the truth of verses 8 and 9.

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The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD. If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT. Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:16-27)

ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. God's WORD is given to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW it by faith.

This passage from Ephesians 2 should also be of great interest to the readers -
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

The passage says fellow citizens with the saints. Anyone reading the Bible knows Israel was known for anything but saints. Christians don't ever share the commonwealth of Israel.

Scripture doesn't support your position. Even you disagree with your position as you post above the Root is (Jesus) Christ.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 21, 2018

Hello brother AOH nice to see you. Some comments for your consideration below

ace of hearts said:
Per request.
True Christ is the Root. The Root isn't Israel, so you already defeat your argument.Who are these branches broken off? Isn't it Jews?The you in your verse is someone different - a wild olive tree.

Let's look at what you wrote here and what you replied to. You are responding to the scriptures posted in the OP that said..

LoveGodsWord said: ↑GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT Gentiles are now grafted in ROMANS 11:16-27 [16], For if the firstfruit are holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root is holy, so are the branches. The root represents Christ.

I am not sure if I understand your first point here brother. Where did I say the root represents ISRAEL when I said the ROOT represents CHRIST? Your just repeating what I have aready posted in the OP that Christ is the ROOT. Your trying to make an argument that no one is arguing about. If we are in agreement you have nothing to argue about

ace of hearts said:
The wild olive tree is graft where? Your verse plainly says "among them." It doesn't into them.

Brother the wild olive tree in ROMANS 11:17 represents the GENTILES before they were grafted in to Christ (the ROOT). It does not mean that the wild olive tree was grafted into the olive tree. That does not make any sense now does it? Do you know what grafting is means and how it works? It is where a branch from another tree is grafted and received it's power and nourishment from another plant's rootstock. All the branches are a part of the same tree (ISRAEL or God's Church) having the same rootstock (Christ).

ace of hearts said:
IOW the wild olive tree doesn't become a natural branch (Israel). No where in Scripture does is it indicated one becomes a Jew as some Jews in Acts 15 wanted. Please take note of verse 5. The Apostles said no and with a written in the following -

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Well that is not true brother. All through the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT the scriptures teach that ISRAEL is only a name used by GOD to describe his people. In the OLD TESTAMENT God made ISRAEL a nation with it's own Government and CIVIL laws. In the NEW COVENANT the Gentiles are grafted into Christ who is the ROOT. The branches represent God's ISRAEL who the NEW COVENANT says are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. The Gentiles in ACTS 15 were new believers that the Shadow laws of CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC book of the Old COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Not God's eternal law written on stone. The SHADOW LAWS of CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC book of the covenant pointed to Christ and salvation by faith in God's WORD and a NEW HEART to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. No where in ACTS 15 does it say anywhere that Gentile believers are free to break any of God's 10 commandments. God's eternal LAW written on stone give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. Those who practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not enter into God's KINGDOM because they reject the free gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27, neither do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:6-10.

Can you see your mistake here brother?

ace of hearts said:
The only reason you push the idea Christians are Israel is to obligate Christians to the covenant given exclusively to Israel.

Well that has no truth in it whatsoever brother. It is what God's WORD says not me. The OP here is only a small part of the scriptures in the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT and COVENANTS that show that God's ISRAEL is only a name given by God himself to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you do not mind it may be good to post a detailed scripture study from the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT showing this is the case. There is so many scriptures so will have to leave this for another post. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL brother you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. (will post more on this soon)

ace of hearts said:
Even Jews who accept the terms of the NC are free from that covenant called the law by Moses in Deut 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And 5:2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. This excludes the rest of the world.

Indeed the 10 Commandments were a part of the OLD COVENANT to ISRAEL. The question I have for you to consider here brother as I believe God has led you to this discussion;

*Was it only God's 10 Commandments that made up the OLD COVENANT or was there more?

Let's have a look at the scriptures...

EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

The OLD COVENANT included;

1. God's eternal law written on stone *DEUTERONOMY 4:13 and
2. The MOSIAC shadow laws from the BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7

The OLD COVENANT was made up of many sets of LAWS. These included God's LAW (10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT written and spoken to God's people by MOSES containing the CIVIL, SANITARY, CEREMONIAL, ECCLESIASTICAL laws for forgiveness of sin and sin offerings for the SANCTUARY and PRIESTHOOD [Levitical].

EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

The Old Covenant included; The 10 Commandments and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT. Let's look at the scriptures...

1. GOD'S LAW (One scripture only as we already agree on this)
EXODUS 34:28 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

This is what you left out of your post only telling half the story...

2. THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Also part of the old covenant)
EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the side of the ark of the COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21] And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, ACCORDING TO ALL THE CURSES OF THE COVENANT that are WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the COVENANT.

2 KINGS 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

2 CHRONICLES 34:30 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

2 CHRONICLES 34:31 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

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CONCLUSION *Yep, the OLD COVENANT is not just the 10 Commandments it includes the prophetic SHADOW LAWS FROM THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT*

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The Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT were pointing to the NEW..

HEBREWS 9:1 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

EPHESIANS 2:15 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

NUMBERS 19:2 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

What laws are written on the heart in the NEW COVENANT promise? It is not the MOSAIC laws for remission of sin...

JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:[32], NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ; MY COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:[33], But THIS SHALL BE MY COVENANT THAT I SHALL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISREAL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND I WILL WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE; [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

2 CORINTHIANS 3 [2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. (see all of 2 COR 3)

The NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE is God's LAW (10 Commandments) written on the heart to LOVE through faith (HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10)

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CONCLUSION; Jesus did not come to change or destroy GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments). It is through GOD's LAW that we have a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN is. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE

yep it is the SHADOW laws that are fulfilled in Christ. The OLD COVENANT is made up of God's 10 Commandments and the Shadow laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

You have your shadow laws mixed up with God's eternal LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is if broken. * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:11; 1 JOHN 3:4

Happy to share the purpose of God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT in another post if your interested?

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT LINKING OLD AND NEW HERE Click me.

Now let's look at the house of the OLD COVENANT. It is called the ARK OF THE COVENANT and let's see what it included..

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WHAT LAWS DID THE ARK OF THE COVENANT [HOUSE OF THE COVENANT] CONTAIN?

DEUTERONOMY 10:5 [5] And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as the LORD commanded me.

Yep there is the 10 Commandments housed in the ARK of the COVENANT.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

Well here you go now FH can you see your error here?

EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

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NOTE: The ARK [House of the COVENANT] held God's 10 Commandments [2x tables of stone] and the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT . Together these made up the OLD COVENANT.

Can you see your error hear brother?

Your getting the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's eternal LAW written on stone that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. Those who practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not enter into God's KINGDOM because they reject the free gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27, neither do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:6-10.

Can you see your mistake here brother in relation to what the OLD COVENANT was and what it points to?

Hope this helps.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 21, 2018

ace of hearts said:
The easiest verse to show even the Jews are free from that covenant is Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. The "we" in the verse includes Jews (Israel), of which Paul is a natural blood born member.

As shown in the previous post brother if we do not understood what the OLD COVENANT is, how can you (anyone) know what the NEW COVENANT is that it pointed to? Now brother have a look at what you have posted here. Are you trying to agrue that God's 10 commandments are not a requirement for Christians and that Christians are now free to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery, make idols to and worship other god's? You do not believe that do you? No where is that taught in the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. In fact God's WORD teaches the exact opposite *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.
God's eternal LAW gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. Those who practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not enter into God's KINGDOM because they reject the free gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27, neither do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:6-10.

Sorry brother no where in God's WORD does it teach we are free to break any of God's Commandments. If we KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENANT SIN we are not following God or his WORD neither do we know him *1 JOHN 3:4

ace of hearts said:
No where does salvation depend on the law in any way. This is supported by Jesus in John chapters 3, 5 and 10; Acts 15, 16 and 19. We live in/by/because of Jesus.

Why would you think that salvation depends on God's LAW? God's LAW gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. It makes nothing perfect *HEBREWS 7:19. God's LAW is our schoolmaster that leads us to Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by FAITH *GALATIANS 3:22-25; ROMANS 8:1-4 and frees us to walk in GOD'S SPIRIT so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh *GALATIANS 5:16. We are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves brother it is a free gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8-9. However, GRACE is for OBEDIENCE to the faith it is not a free pass to sin *ROMANS 1:5; ROMANS 5:16. As it is also written; Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law *ROMANS 3:31. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is the fruit of FAITH if you do not have it your faith is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26

ace of hearts said:
Again you boldly post Christians are graft into the Root (Christ). No where in Scripture is the Root called Israel.What/who are the broken branches? What/who are the broken branches?

Your making things up now brother I have never said. Where have I poster here that the root is called ISRAEL? The tree is ISRAEL and the branches the ROOT is CHRIST and gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27

ace of hearts said:
What does even your bolded part of verse 18 say? You identified the Root as Jesus Christ.No where in Scripture are believers (NC Christians) called Israel.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you here. Lot's of scripture posted in the OP there that you have not addressed and there will be more to come as I get some time.

ace of hearts said:
Hos 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God. Here God says those people won't be called Israel. Paul quotes this in Romans 9 along with commentary.

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Brother, take another look at the scripture you posted here. This is a passage referring to the NEW COVENANT v24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? Fits very nicely with ROMANS 11:13-27 of the Gentiles being grafted in to God's ISRAEL don't you think? Sorry brother, the scriptures you posted do not support the statments you are making. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT

HEBREWS 8:10-12
[10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, And on their heart also will I write them: And I will be to them a God, And they shall be to me a people:
[11], And they shall not teach every man his fellow-citizen, And every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: For all shall know me, From the least to the greatest of them.
[12], For I will be merciful to their iniquities, And their sins will I remember no more.

ace of hearts said:
There's nothing indicating Christians will become Jews (Israel)

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

ace of hearts said:
Who or what is this good olive tree? I do understand the change of terms here from Root to tree. If a person is naturally part of that tree, how can they be graft into it when they're already a part of it? So what are the natural branches graft into? The Root which is Jesus Christ, not Israel as you say more than once above.

The Good OLIVE tree is God's true ISRAEL; the Church. All those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD because they are connected to the ROOT that represents JESUS. ROMANS 11:13-27 says that before we come to Christ we are a part of the WILD OLIVE tree we are not a part of the Good OLIVE tree. We need to be GRAFTED in to the GOOD OLIVE (Born again by faith). We are not naturally a part of the GOOD olive tree until we are grafted in.
The natural branches represent God's ISRAEL under the OLD COVENANT who did not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. v24 shows that the gentiles are the wild OLIVE tree grafted in to God's ISRAEL (the natural branches that are connected to Christ - the ROOT)

ace of hearts said:
But the covenant you want us to submit to is given only to Israel.

You may need to revisit your understanding brother of the OLD and NEW COVENANTS. We are under the NEW COVENANT of LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD'S WORD. This is why JESUS says "ON THESE TWO GREAT COMMANDMENTS (LOVE to GOD and LOVE to man) HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

Paul says it this way...

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law.
[9], For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
[10], Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law.

If our faith does not have the fruit of LOVE we do not know God because LOVE establishes and fulfills God's LAW by FAITH in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD'S WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; JAMES 2:18-20; 26

ROMANS 3:31 Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.

ace of hearts said:
Abraham isn't Israel or a Jew. So neither the above or below quotes prove your point.

Well that is not true brother he was the father of ISRAEL. BTW You do know that ISRAEL is only a name given by GOD to his people that BELEIVE and FOLLOW God's WORD right? Happy to go through the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures if you like to showing the origin of God's ISRAEL through to the 2nd coming in REVELATION.

ace of hearts said:
Here's the full sentence quote of your partial sentence quote above -
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Please note it's a new covenant.

Please note it's not like the previous covenant.

Now brother you do realise why this scripture was posted right? Compare it to HEBREWS 8. It is the NEW COVENANT. Here I will add most of it but read the whole chapter if you like. the section was posted simply to make the point that I guess you missed that was the NEW COVENANT is for ISRAEL.

Let's ask the question here, Who is the NEW COVENANT for?

HEBREWS 8:
[7], For if that first covenant had been faultless, then would no place have been sought for a second.
[8], For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, That I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
[9], Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand to lead them forth out of the land of Egypt; For they continued not in my covenant, And I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, And on their heart also will I write them: And I will be to them a God, And they shall be to me a people:
[11], And they shall not teach every man his fellow-citizen, And every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: For all shall know me, From the least to the greatest of them.
[12], For I will be merciful to their iniquities, And their sins will I remember no more.

This is the same scripture used from JEREMIAH 31. God's COVENANT is to ISRAEL. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL brother you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

ace of hearts said:
Once again you leave out very important verses. This is to avoid the truth of verses 8 and 9.

Now brother, making false accusation does not help having as discussion and sharing God's WORD. I have only post the scriptures needed to support a point being made. Scriptures were posted to show that the NEW COVENANT promise is to God's ISRAEL and that if you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

ace of hearts said:
This passage from Ephesians 2 should also be of great interest to the readers -

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Brother thanks for posting these scriptures. However they only support the OP here. The scriptures say this. v11 Before the gentiles were living in the flesh they were called the uncircumcision and v12 at that time when? When they were living in the flesh, where aliens from the commonwealth of ISRAEL when where the gentiles aleins of the commanwealth of ISRAEL? When they were living in the flesh. The scripture here only says that the gentiles are aliens of ISRAEL while living in the flesh. v13 But now (not living in the flesh) in Christ Jesus (the ROOT) you who sometimes were far off (far off from what and who?) the commonwealth of ISRAEL (branches) and Christ (the ROOT) are made nigh by the blood of Christ (Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-26).

v15 the law of Commandments contained in ordinances is not God's 10 commandments they are the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. The GREEK word used here for ORDINANCES is the same one used in COLOSSIANS 2:14 δόγμα dogma and means a civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law - decree, ordinance.

The GREEK WORD meanings here in this scripture show that it follows the same CONTEXT is in relation to the CIVIL CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES found in the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. Another words no more animal sacrifices and sin offereings and ordinaces and laws from the OLD COVENANT that were shadow laws that pointed to JESUS and his new role and administration under the NEW COVENANT.

ace of hearts said:
Scripture doesn't support your position. Even you disagree with your position as you post above the Root is (Jesus) Christ.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagree with you here as already shown in the last few posts and scriptures from the OP. Yet we have not really started to look at many of the scriptures on ISRAEL in the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT that show that God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Happy to share these with you and hope these scriptures help the conversation.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 21, 2018

ace of hearts said:
There's nothing indicating Christians will become Jews (Israel). No where in Scripture are believers (NC Christians) called Israel.

Hello brother AOH,

Perhaps you may not have seen these scriptures before so please be patient and look at the scripture provided here and in the next few posts.

We will start with the ORIGIN of the name that God gave to his people ISRAEL (where did it come from) moving through both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

GOD'S WORD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT TEACHES ISRAEL IS THE NAME GIVEN BY GOD TO ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD. (Part 1)

ORIGIN OF ISRAEL AND THE TWELVE TRIBES.

The promise of God to Abraham that his descendance would be as the sand of the sea or start of heaven…

GENESIS 22:15-18 [15], And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, [16], And said, By myself have I sworn, says the LORD, for because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son: [17], That in blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies; [18], And in your descendants shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because you have obeyed my voice.

Jacob a descendant of Abraham being 2nd born received the birth right from Esau...

GENESIS 25:31 [31], And Jacob said, Sell me this day your birthright. [32], And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point of death: and what profit shall this birthright be to me? [33], And Jacob said, swear to me this day; and he swore unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. [34], Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentils; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus, Esau despised his birthright.

God’s promise to Abraham was to be fulfilled through Abrahams descendant Jacob

GENESIS 32:11-12 [11], Deliver me, I pray you, from the hand of my brother, from the hand of Esau: for I fear him, lest he come and smite me, and the mother with the children. [12], And you said, I will surely do you good, and make your descendants as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude.

God changes Jacobs name to ISRAEL...

GENESIS 32:24-28 [24], And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. [25], And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. [26], And he said, let me go, for the day breaks. And he said, I will not let you go, except you bless me. [27], And he said unto him, what is your name? And he said, Jacob. [28], And he said, Your name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince have you power with God and with men, and have prevailed.

The name "Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. The origin of the name "Israel" come from Genesis 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

ISRAEL (God’s new name given to Jacob) had 12 sons which make up the 12 tribes of ISRAEL

GENESIS 35:22-26 [22], ... Now the sons of Jacob were twelve: [23], The sons of Leah; Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Zebulun: [24], The sons of Rachel; Joseph, and Benjamin: [25], And the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid; Dan, and Naphtali: [26], And the sons of Zilpah, Leah's handmaid; Gad, and Asher: these are the sons of Jacob, who were born to him in Paddanaram.

God’s promise of the NEW COVENANT is to ISRAEL…

JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32], Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; my covenant which they broke, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD: [33], But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

144, 000 Come out of the 12 tribes of ISRAEL…

REVELATION 7:3-8 [3], Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads. [4], And I heard the number of them who were sealed: and there were sealed a hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. [5], Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. [6], Of the tribe of Asher were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh were sealed twelve thousand. [7], Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. [8], Of the tribe of Zebulun were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Yeps, seems like God’s people are called ISRAEL in both the OLD AND NEW Testament scriptures and the END OF TIME events John is describing in REVELATION 7. The word ISRAEL is a name that God gives to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

To be continued in the NEW Testament....

LoveGodsWord · Nov 21, 2018

GOD'S WORD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT TEACHES ISRAEL IS THE NAME GIVEN BY GOD TO ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD. (Part 2)

GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

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God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

To be continued Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL...

LoveGodsWord · Nov 21, 2018

GOD'S WORD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT TEACHES ISRAEL IS THE NAME GIVEN BY GOD TO ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD. (Part 3)

GENTILES ARE NOW GRAFTED IN TO GOD'S ISRAEL (from the OP but bringing it all together).

ROMANS 11:16-27
[16], For if the firstfruit are holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

The root represents Christ...

[17], And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree.

The Jewish and the Gentile believers are the branches grafted onto the root (Christ)...

[18], Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you.
[19], You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
[20], Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not arrogant, but fear:

God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD...

[21], For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also not spare you.
[22], Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also shall be cut off.
[23], And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
[24], For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
[25], For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
[26], And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The NEW COVENANT is for both Jews and Greek, bond and free, all those who are in Christ. All in Christ are the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise.

[27], For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

More to come...

LoveGodsWord · Nov 21, 2018

GOD'S WORD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT TEACHES ISRAEL IS THE NAME GIVEN BY GOD TO ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD. (Part 4)

ISRAEL IS NOT THOSE IN THE FLESH

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Now listen to Jesus talking to the Jews...

JOHN 8:31-39
[31], Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
[32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
[33], They answered him, We are Abraham's descendants, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
[34], Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
[35], And the servant abides not in the house forever: but the Son abides ever.
[36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.
[37], I know that you are Abraham's descendant; but you seek to kill me, because my word has no place in you.
[38], I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do that which you have seen with your father.
[39], They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said unto them, If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham.

Jesus is saying the same thing as Paul in ROMANS 9:6-8 above. God's ISRAEL under the NEW COVENANT is not being a decendent of Abraham it is CONTINUING in God's WORD by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING it.

The children of the promise are counted for the seed (ROMANS 9:8) ...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:[11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.[12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

continuing this same line of thinking from Jesus and Paul earlier...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word

LoveGodsWord · Nov 21, 2018

ace of hearts said: ↑ There's nothing indicating Christians will become Jews (Israel). No where in Scripture are believers (NC Christians) called Israel.

Well brother as you can see in posts # 44; 45; 46 and 47 above there is plenty of scripture showing that the name ISRAEL is a name given by GOD to his people. God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT teaches that God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD (the Church).

Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT. God's LAW given to ISRAEL (all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

If we break any of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? Something to think about brother as we all answer only to God come judgment day for believing and following his Word or not *JOHN 12:47-48

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

ace of hearts · Nov 21, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello brother AOH nice to see you. Some comments for your consideration below

Let's look at what you wrote here and what you replied to. You are responding to the scriptures posted in the OP that said..

I am not sure if I understand your first point here brother. Where did I say the root represents ISRAEL when I said the ROOT represents CHRIST? Your just repeating what I have aready posted in the OP that Christ is the ROOT. Your trying to make an argument that no one is arguing about. If we are in agreement you have nothing to argue about

So why is your title about Israel and your discussion about the Root (Jesus)?

Aren't you trying to say Christians are graft into Israel?

Brother the wild olive tree in ROMANS 11:17 represents the GENTILES before they were grafted in to Christ (the ROOT). It does not mean that the wild olive tree was grafted into the olive tree. That does not make any sense now does it? Do you know what grafting is means and how it works? It is where a branch from another tree is grafted and received it's power and nourishment from another plant's rootstock. All the branches are a part of the same tree (ISRAEL or God's Church) having the same rootstock (Christ).

Israel isn't the Church. Israel has never been the Church. Jesus isn't the founder of Israel. Israel isn't Christian. I provided you with quotes from both testaments on this. You've not posted any passages showing Christians are Israel. again you need Christians to be Israel so we're obligated to the law covenant (Ten Commandments - Deut 4:13). AYour position is Jesus issued the Ten Commandments. That isn't true. Here's proof -

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

This verse also makes it plain the law is no longer enforce. Since this is true nothing else in your post has any merit. That means there's no sin in not keeping the 7th day sabbath. Jesus is my rest because I accepted His invitation in Mat 11:28-30.

ace of hearts · Nov 21, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
I am not sure if I understand your first point here brother. Where did I say the root represents ISRAEL when I said the ROOT represents CHRIST? Your just repeating what I have aready posted in the OP that Christ is the ROOT. Your trying to make an argument that no one is arguing about. If we are in agreement you have nothing to argue about

Brother the wild olive tree in ROMANS 11:17 represents the GENTILES before they were grafted in to Christ (the ROOT). It does not mean that the wild olive tree was grafted into the olive tree. That does not make any sense now does it? Do you know what grafting is means and how it works? It is where a branch from another tree is grafted and received it's power and nourishment from another plant's rootstock. All the branches are a part of the same tree (ISRAEL or God's Church) having the same rootstock (Christ).

If we're graft into Jesus Christ, how are we Israel? And why is it you say you're not promoting being graft into and becoming Israel?

ace of hearts · Nov 21, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Well that is not true brother. All through the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT the scriptures teach that ISRAEL is only a name used by GOD to describe his people. In the OLD TESTAMENT God made ISRAEL a nation with it's own Government and CIVIL laws. In the NEW COVENANT the Gentiles are grafted into Christ who is the ROOT. The branches represent God's ISRAEL who the NEW COVENANT says are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. The Gentiles in ACTS 15 were new believers that the Shadow laws of CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC book of the Old COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Not God's eternal law written on stone. The SHADOW LAWS of CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC book of the covenant pointed to Christ and salvation by faith in God's WORD and a NEW HEART to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. No where in ACTS 15 does it say anywhere that Gentile believers are free to break any of God's 10 commandments. God's eternal LAW written on stone give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. Those who practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not enter into God's KINGDOM because they reject the free gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27, neither do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:6-10.

What about Acts 15 isn't true?

LoveGodsWord · Nov 21, 2018

ace of hearts said:
So why is your title about Israel and your discussion about the Root (Jesus)?

Aren't you trying to say Christians are graft into Israel?Israel isn't the Church. Israel has never been the Church. Jesus isn't the founder of Israel. Israel isn't Christian. I provided you with quotes from both testaments on this. You've not posted any passages showing Christians are Israel. again you need Christians to be Israel so we're obligated to the law covenant (Ten Commandments - Deut 4:13). AYour position is Jesus issued the Ten Commandments. That isn't true. Here's proof -

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

This verse also makes it plain the law is no longer enforce. Since this is true nothing else in your post has any merit. That means there's no sin in not keeping the 7th day sabbath. Jesus is my rest because I accepted His invitation in Mat 11:28-30.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

Well brother as you can see in posts # 44; 45; 46 and 47 above there is plenty of scripture showing that the name ISRAEL is a name given by GOD to his people. God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT teaches that God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD (the Church).

Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT. God's LAW given to ISRAEL (all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

If we break any of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? Something to think about brother as we all answer only to God come judgment day for believing and following his Word or not *JOHN 12:47-48

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 21, 2018

ace of hearts said:
If we're graft into Jesus Christ, how are we Israel? And why is it you say you're not promoting being graft into and becoming Israel?

ISRAEL is God's name for his people who are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT. *HEBREWS 8:10-12 Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 21, 2018

ace of hearts said:
What about Acts 15 isn't true?

The Gentiles in ACTS 15 were new believers that the Shadow laws of CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC book of the Old COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Not God's eternal law written on stone. The SHADOW LAWS of CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC book of the covenant pointed to Christ and salvation by faith in God's WORD and a NEW HEART to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

No where in ACTS 15 does it say anywhere that Gentile believers are free to break any of God's 10 commandments. God's eternal LAW written on stone give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

If we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. Those who practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not enter into God's KINGDOM because they reject the free gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27, neither do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:6-10.

Brother you do not believe that gentile believers are free to lie, steal commit adultery, murder or break any other of God's commandments now do you? God's WORD does not teach lawlessness and God's WORD says those who practice and teach lawlessness do not know God 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

Can you see your mistake here brother?

ace of hearts · Nov 21, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello brother AOH nice to see you. Some comments for your consideration below

Let's look at what you wrote here and what you replied to. You are responding to the scriptures posted in the OP that said..

I am not sure if I understand your first point here brother. Where did I say the root represents ISRAEL when I said the ROOT represents CHRIST? Your just repeating what I have aready posted in the OP that Christ is the ROOT. Your trying to make an argument that no one is arguing about. If we are in agreement you have nothing to argue about

Brother the wild olive tree in ROMANS 11:17 represents the GENTILES before they were grafted in to Christ (the ROOT). It does not mean that the wild olive tree was grafted into the olive tree. That does not make any sense now does it? Do you know what grafting is means and how it works? It is where a branch from another tree is grafted and received it's power and nourishment from another plant's rootstock. All the branches are a part of the same tree (ISRAEL or God's Church) having the same rootstock (Christ).

Well that is not true brother. All through the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT the scriptures teach that ISRAEL is only a name used by GOD to describe his people. In the OLD TESTAMENT God made ISRAEL a nation with it's own Government and CIVIL laws. In the NEW COVENANT the Gentiles are grafted into Christ who is the ROOT. The branches represent God's ISRAEL who the NEW COVENANT says are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. The Gentiles in ACTS 15 were new believers that the Shadow laws of CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC book of the Old COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Not God's eternal law written on stone. The SHADOW LAWS of CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC book of the covenant pointed to Christ and salvation by faith in God's WORD and a NEW HEART to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. No where in ACTS 15 does it say anywhere that Gentile believers are free to break any of God's 10 commandments. God's eternal LAW written on stone give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. Those who practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not enter into God's KINGDOM because they reject the free gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27, neither do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:6-10.

Can you see your mistake here brother?

Well that has no truth in it whatsoever brother. It is what God's WORD says not me. The OP here is only a small part of the scriptures in the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT and COVENANTS that show that God's ISRAEL is only a name given by God himself to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you do not mind it may be good to post a detailed scripture study from the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT showing this is the case. There is so many scriptures so will have to leave this for another post. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL brother you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. (will post more on this soon)

There's not salvation in the law. The only way to have salvation is Jesus only. If we have to keep the law for salvation Jesus is worthless when it comes to salvation. You can threaten all you like with verses from 1 John and Revelation trying to prove we have to keep the law. The thing is no where does John refer to the law (Ten Commandments) are part of or required for salvation. You add in a ten when you see the word. John also says something about adding to the Scripture.

ace of hearts · Nov 21, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
The Gentiles in ACTS 15 were new believers that the Shadow laws of CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC book of the Old COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Not God's eternal law written on stone. The SHADOW LAWS of CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC book of the covenant pointed to Christ and salvation by faith in God's WORD and a NEW HEART to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

No where in ACTS 15 does it say anywhere that Gentile believers are free to break any of God's 10 commandments. God's eternal LAW written on stone give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

If we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. Those who practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not enter into God's KINGDOM because they reject the free gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27, neither do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:6-10.

Brother you do not believe that gentile believers are free to lie, steal commit adultery, murder or break any other of God's commandments now do you? God's WORD does not teach lawlessness and God's WORD says those who practice and teach lawlessness do not know God 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

Can you see your mistake here brother?

No way. Romans 7 says we are now delivered from the law (verse 6). Paul is specifically including the Ten by quoting the last commandment about coveting in verse 7.

You can project that I'm saying it is now OK to lie, steal commit adultery, murder if you like. I need you to explain how that can be if I comply with - John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

and - Luke 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

ace of hearts · Nov 21, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

Well brother as you can see in posts # 44; 45; 46 and 47 above there is plenty of scripture showing that the name ISRAEL is a name given by GOD to his people. God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT teaches that God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD (the Church).

Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT. God's LAW given to ISRAEL (all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

If we break any of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? Something to think about brother as we all answer only to God come judgment day for believing and following his Word or not *JOHN 12:47-48

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

Please answer my question. Thanks.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 21, 2018

ace of hearts said:
There's not salvation in the law. The only way to have salvation is Jesus only. If we have to keep the law for salvation Jesus is worthless when it comes to salvation. You can threaten all you like with verses from 1 John and Revelation trying to prove we have to keep the law. The thing is no where does John refer to the law (Ten Commandments) are part of or required for salvation. You add in a ten when you see the word. John also says something about adding to the Scripture.

Why would you think that salvation depends on God's LAW? God's LAW gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. It makes nothing perfect *HEBREWS 7:19. God's LAW is our schoolmaster that leads us to Christ that we might be FORGIVEN by FAITH *GALATIANS 3:22-25; ROMANS 8:1-4 and frees us to walk in GOD'S SPIRIT so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh *GALATIANS 5:16. We are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves brother it is a free gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8-9. However, GRACE is for OBEDIENCE to the faith it is not a free pass to sin *ROMANS 1:5; ROMANS 5:16. As it is also written; Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law *ROMANS 3:31. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is the fruit of FAITH if you do not have it your faith is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26

LoveGodsWord · Nov 21, 2018

ace of hearts said:
No way. Romans 7 says we are now delivered from the law (verse 6). Paul is specifically including the Ten by quoting the last commandment about coveting in verse 7.

You can project that I'm saying it is now OK to lie, steal commit adultery, murder if you like. I need you to explain how that can be if I comply with - John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

and - Luke 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

No it doesn't brother. You are not delievered from the law in order to break it. You are delievered from the condemnation of the law if you have faith in God's WORD and have repented from your sin. Those that are still continuing in known unrepentant sin do not know God and need to be born again *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

ace of hearts · Nov 21, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
The Gentiles in ACTS 15 were new believers that the Shadow laws of CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC book of the Old COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Not God's eternal law written on stone. The SHADOW LAWS of CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC book of the covenant pointed to Christ and salvation by faith in God's WORD and a NEW HEART to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

No where in ACTS 15 does it say anywhere that Gentile believers are free to break any of God's 10 commandments. God's eternal LAW written on stone give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

If we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. Those who practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not enter into God's KINGDOM because they reject the free gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27, neither do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:6-10.

Brother you do not believe that gentile believers are free to lie, steal commit adultery, murder or break any other of God's commandments now do you? God's WORD does not teach lawlessness and God's WORD says those who practice and teach lawlessness do not know God 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

Can you see your mistake here brother?

No.

But another thing is you call me brother while saying I don't know God. To me that indicates you're not a Christian either.

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