The Little Horn of Daniel 7 is the Beast out of the Sea from Revelation 13

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BOTH the little horn of Daniel 7 and the Beast out of the sea speak against God
Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High

Revelation 13:5,6 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies. It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven

BOTH the little horn of Daniel 7 and the Beast out the sea oppress God's people for 3.5 "years".
Daniel 7:25-26 and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

Revelation 13:5,7 and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them.

 

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BOTH the little horn of Daniel 7 and the Beast out of the sea speak against God
Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High

Revelation 13:5,6 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies. It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven

BOTH the little horn of Daniel 7 and the Beast out the sea oppress God's people for 3.5 "years".
Daniel 7:25-26 and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

Revelation 13:5,7 and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them.
Same person, yes, for certain.

But..... he is not actually the little horn any longer when he has become the beast. Same person though. He will be killed and brought back to life.

As little horn, he will be the 7th Julio Claudian King of the Roman Empire.
As the beast, he will be the 8th Julio Claudian King of the Roman Empire.

With as stint in between as the Antichrist, illegitimate King of Israel.

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The book of Daniel tracks the person in a direct path to his end. But it doesn't name the succeeding steps in each chapter. It is just that the successive steps are not given all at once. So you gotta read through the bible and put it all together.

Daniel 7 little horn - but doesn't call him the prince who shall come, the Antichrist, the revealed man of sin, the beast, in that chapter.

Daniel 8 :23 little horn - king of fierce countenance - but doesn't call him the prince who shall come, the Antichrist, the revealed man of sin, the beast, in that chapter

Daniel 9:26 prince who shall come - but doesn't call him the Antichrist, the revealed man of sin, the beast, in that chapter

Daniel 11:36 the willful king - actually the beast at that point.
 
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Is the little horn here right now?
The person is alive. But he is not in the position of being the little horn because the ten kings - leaders are not in place yet. He is supposed to emerge when they do.

In actual terms, the EU will enter a stage which it will be governed by ten leaders. We don't know for sure how that will come into place. But if a person were going by the parable of the fig tree Jesus gave in Matthew 24, it should not be long from now. Sometime within the next 12 years or so.

And given the fact that the Russia, Iran, Turkey are positioning for Gog/Magog, which the person (the little horn) has to be in place before that happens - time is close.

Take a look at this attachment I made of the persons' path. You can click on it, to zoom it in some if it is hard to read (too small).

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BOTH the little horn of Daniel 7 and the Beast out of the sea speak against God
Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High

Revelation 13:5,6 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies. It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven

BOTH the little horn of Daniel 7 and the Beast out the sea oppress God's people for 3.5 "years".
Daniel 7:25-26 and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

Revelation 13:5,7 and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them.
As is the Little Horn of chapter 8 as is the King of the North in Dan. 11:40-45
 
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Daniel 8 :23 little horn - king of fierce countenance - but doesn't call him the prince who shall come, the Antichrist, the revealed man of sin, the beast, in that chapter

I would have to disagree, as I don't believe the little horn of Daniel 7/Beast of the sea is the same as the little horn of Daniel 8.

The shaggy Goat is Alexander the great
Daniel 8:21 shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is the first king.

After Alexander the great died, he had no successor, so his kingdom was broken into 4 kingdoms through his generals: 1.) Kingdom of Seleucus, 2.) Kingdom of Ptolemy, 3.) Kingdom of Cassendar, 4.) Kingdom of Lysimachus
Daniel 8:22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.

In the "latter part" of the kingdom of Seleucus, Antiochus Epinphanes became King
Daniel 8:23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise

Antiochus Epiphanes took away the daily sacrifice and trampled God's people for 2,300 evenings and mornings.
Daniel 8:13-14 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the Lord’s people?”
He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

According to the book of Maccabees, from the time that the temple was desecrated until the time of its re-dedication, was 3 years and 10 days.

1 Maccabees 1:54 Now on the fifteenth day of Chislev, in the one hundred forty-fifth year, they erected a desolating sacrilege on the altar of burnt offering.

1 Maccabees 4:52-53 Early in the morning on the twenty-fifth day of the ninth month, which is the month of Chislev, in the one hundred forty-eighth year they rose and offered sacrifice, as the law directs, on the new altar of burnt offering that they had built

How do we go from 2,300 evenings and mornings to 3 years and 10 days?

2,300 evenings and mornings = 1,150 days

the Hebrew calendar cycle is based on a metonic cycle, which means it has leap years (extra 30 days) on years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, 19 of the cycle, then it starts over.


According to 1 Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the temple and persecuted the people from the 15th of kislev to the temple re-dedication on the 25th of kislev. So if the desecration of the temple fell on either year 6 or 17 of the metonic cycle, we would get 2 additional leap months.

so the 3 years and 10 days = 36 months + 2 leap months + 10 days = (38 months x 30 days) + 10 days = 1140 days +10 days = 1,150 days


**this evidence points to Antiochus Epiphanes being the little horn of Daniel 8
 
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I would have to disagree, as I don't believe the little horn of Daniel 7/Beast of the sea is the same as the little horn of Daniel 8.

The shaggy Goat is Alexander the great
Daniel 8:21 shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is the first king.

After Alexander the great died, he had no successor, so his kingdom was broken into 4 kingdoms through his generals: 1.) Kingdom of Seleucus, 2.) Kingdom of Ptolemy, 3.) Kingdom of Cassendar, 4.) Kingdom of Lysimachus
Daniel 8:22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.

In the "latter part" of the kingdom of Seleucus, Antiochus Epinphanes became King
Daniel 8:23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise

Antiochus Epiphanes took away the daily sacrifice and trampled God's people for 2,300 evenings and mornings.
Daniel 8:13-14 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the Lord’s people?”
He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

According to the book of Maccabees, from the time that the temple was desecrated until the time of its re-dedication, was 3 years and 10 days.

1 Maccabees 1:54 Now on the fifteenth day of Chislev, in the one hundred forty-fifth year, they erected a desolating sacrilege on the altar of burnt offering.

1 Maccabees 4:52-53 Early in the morning on the twenty-fifth day of the ninth month, which is the month of Chislev, in the one hundred forty-eighth year they rose and offered sacrifice, as the law directs, on the new altar of burnt offering that they had built

How do we go from 2,300 evenings and mornings to 3 years and 10 days?

2,300 evenings and mornings = 1,150 days

the Hebrew calendar cycle is based on a metonic cycle, which means it has leap years (extra 30 days) on years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, 19 of the cycle, then it starts over.


According to 1 Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the temple and persecuted the people from the 15th of kislev to the temple re-dedication on the 25th of kislev. So if the desecration of the temple fell on either year 6 or 17 of the metonic cycle, we would get 2 additional leap months.

so the 3 years and 10 days = 36 months + 2 leap months + 10 days = (38 months x 30 days) + 10 days = 1140 days +10 days = 1,150 days


**this evidence points to Antiochus Epiphanes being the little horn of Daniel 8
Daniel 11:31 abomination of desolation - Antiochus, pig and Zeus statue, yes?
Daniel 12:11 abomination of desolation - end times image of the beast statue

Daniel 8:13 transgression of desolation - by little horn
Daniel 8:17 an end times vision
Daniel 8:23 end times little horn, transgressors come to a full - the ten kings in place, of their kingdom - the EU.

transgression of desolation - transgresses the covenant, an act, 2Thessalonians2:4
abomination of desolation - an object placed in the temple. Which for the case of the end times will be the image of the beast statue.

claninja, take a look at this attachment I made, of the path of the person.

You may have to click on it to zoom it in if it is too small to read. The transgression of desolation is something the person does while he is in the role of being the Antichrist, illegitimate King of Israel. It will be the last act he does in that role - because it gets him impeached.

And then killed, but brought back to life as the beast, King of the Roman Empire in the end times of the ten kings. That's when the image of him is made, an object, a statue, and placed in the temple - the abomination of desolation.

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Daniel 11:31 abomination of desolation - Antiochus, pig and Zeus statue, yes?

Yes, I agree

Daniel 12:11 abomination of desolation - end times image of the beast statue

Possible, but this would personal interpretation, as there is no verses matching the AOD of daniel 12:11 to the beast statue from revelation 13. Additionally, there is no mention of 1290 days or 1335 days in revelation. Also, Daniel 10-12 is one vision, Why would the AOD of daniel 12:11 not be referring to the only other place the AOD is mentioned within the context of the entire vision: Daniel 11?

Daniel 8:13 transgression of desolation - by little horn

It is the Jews that committed the transgression/act of rebellion, hence they were "given over to it".
Daniel 8:12 And a host will be given over to it together with the regular burnt offering because of transgression

The author of 2 maccabees records that the temple being desecrated was God's way of punishing his people for their sins.
2 maccabees 6:12 I beg you not to become discouraged as you read about the terrible things that happened. Consider that this was the Lord's way of punishing his people, not of destroying them.

Daniel 8:17 an end times vision

It is the "time of the end" which refers to the context of the vision:
daniel 8:19 He said, “Behold, I will make known to you what shall be at the latter end of the indignation, for it refers to the appointed time of the end.

Greece defeating Persia/Media
Daniel 8:20-21 As for the ram that you saw with the two horns, these are the kings of Media and Persia. And the goatd is the king of Greece. And the great horn between his eyes is the first king.

Greece breaking into 4 kingdoms
Daniel 8:22As for the horn that was broken, in place of which four others arose, four kingdoms shall arise from hise nation, but not with his power.

The little horn rising at the LATTER END of their (Seleucid) kingdom, when the Jews have reached the limit of trangression.
Daniel 8:23-24 And at the
latter end of their kingdom, when the transgressors have reached their limit, a king of bold face, one who understands riddles, shall arise. His power shall be great—but not by his own power; and he shall cause fearful destruction and shall succeed in what he does, and destroy mighty men and the people who are the saints.

Daniel 8:23 end times little horn, transgressors come to a full - the ten kings in place, of their kingdom - the EU.

Where does the Bible mention the EU specifically?

You may have to click on it to zoom it in if it is too small to read. The transgression of desolation is something the person does while he is in the role of being the Antichrist, illegitimate King of Israel. It will be the last act he does in that role - because it gets him impeached.

And then killed, but brought back to life as the beast, King of the Roman Empire in the end times of the ten kings. That's when the image of him is made, an object, a statue, and placed in the temple - the abomination of desolation.

Now we are getting to far down the road of personal interpretation.
 
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It is the Jews that committed the transgression/act of rebellion, hence they were "given over to it".
Daniel 8:12 And a host will be given over to it together with the regular burnt offering because of transgression
The person is going to be a Jew. Has to be to become the (illegitimate) King of Israel, the Antichrist. When the person totally unexpected, because he will have magnified himself in his heart that he is god, goes into the temple, sits, showing he (his claim) that he is God - that is the transgression of desolation act that ends his time as the Antichrist.

He transgresses the Mt. Sinai covenant which Israel, the Jews, agreed to have no other gods other than the One True God.

There is no Antichrist mentioned in Revelation, because for the most of Revelation he is in the role of the beast no longer the Antichrist.
 
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Why would the AOD of daniel 12:11 not be referring to the only other place the AOD is mentioned within the context of the entire vision: Daniel 11?
Because Daniel 12:4, Michael in Daniel 12:1 standing up for Israel, is for time of the end - not Antiochus's time - when the Abomination of Desolation is setup in Daniel 12:11-12.

Michael stands up for Israel in Revelation 12:7-9 and Satan and his angels cast down to earth. Michael goes to war against Satan and his angels because the 7th trumpet has sounded, after the two witnesses ascend, having battled with the beast, as the Jews flee into the wilderness, Revelation 12:6, because the Abomination of Desolation has been placed into the temple on day 1185, 1335 days before Jesus returns on day 2520 of the 7 years.

It is all tied together. Is not a one liner. Nor in one place.
 
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I agree, but not entirely. The "little horn"-in Daniel-is symbolic to the British Empire. This empire united with the fledgling American colonies-in 1783-grew to become the Anglo-American dual world power are symbolically represented not as the "...wild beast ascending out of the sea...," but as the seventh, and last head of such beast, of world powers.
 
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BOTH the little horn of Daniel 7 and the Beast out of the sea speak against God
Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High

Revelation 13:5,6 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies. It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven

BOTH the little horn of Daniel 7 and the Beast out the sea oppress God's people for 3.5 "years".
Daniel 7:25-26 and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

Revelation 13:5,7 and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them.
yes

the little horn of Daniel 7 = one of the horns of the Sea Beast in Revelation = 10th king who subdues 3 kings
= 10th emperor of the pagan Roman empire who defeated 3 others
= Vespasian who defeated Vitellius, Otho, Galba in the "year of 4 emperors" after Nero

the 10th horn is "different from the others" because the others derived from the dynasty of Julius Caesar...

Vespasian was the first non-Caesarian emperor of Rome

he did in fact defeat 3 other rival emperors (Galba, Otho, Vitellius)

He was even proclaimed Messiah by both the Jewish historian Josephus and the first modern Rabbi, Rabbi Jochanan ben Zakkai

Vespasian assaulted Judea and besieged Jerusalem for 3.5 years, at which point he raised Jerusalem and its temple, shattering the power of the holy people, which holy people had been delivered into his hands for 3.5 years, then abominating & desolating the temple
 
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the little horn of Daniel 7 = one of the horns of the Sea Beast in Revelation = 10th king who subdues 3 kings
= 10th emperor of the pagan Roman empire who defeated 3 others
= Vespasian who defeated Vitellius, Otho, Galba in the "year of 4 emperors" after Nero

the 10th horn is "different from the others" because the others derived from the dynasty of Julius Caesar...

Vespasian was the first non-Caesarian emperor of Rome

he did in fact defeat 3 other rival emperors (Galba, Otho, Vitellius)

He was even proclaimed Messiah by both the Jewish historian Josephus and the first modern Rabbi, Rabbi Jochanan ben Zakkai

Vespasian assaulted Judea and besieged Jerusalem for 3.5 years, at which point he raised Jerusalem and its temple, shattering the power of the holy people, which holy people had been delivered into his hands for 3.5 years, then abominating & desolating the temple
Revelation 19:20And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
Vespasian and Nero died they weren't captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. Neither of them were in Judea in 70 AD
 
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Revelation 19:20And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
Vespasian and Nero died they weren't captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. Neither of them were in Judea in 70 AD
doesn't say the "horns" were cast into the LoF

says the whole BEAST was cast

BEAST cast into LoF symbolizes the (spiritual) defeat of the whole pagan Roman EMPIRE
 
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doesn't say the "horns" were cast into the LoF

says the whole BEAST was cast

BEAST cast into LoF symbolizes the (spiritual) defeat of the whole pagan Roman EMPIRE
And the False Prophet ? IMO I see them as 2 people not a symbol
 
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