Losing my religion, where is the evidence for God

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If I came asking for bible quotes and preaching then fair enough. But personally I think your preaching rather than dealing with what I asked is arrogant and rude.

Oh Sorry Ross
I thought you wanted to change Water to Wine

An Artist might say Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

Matthew 6
Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 yet I say unto you, that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

Consider the Lilies for a while if you must .............
 
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It’s you who are not grasping my point. My point is that we do not know what the laws of nature are at the point prior to what we can observe. You are virtually proving my point for me. If we’re accept your premise then you are saying we don’t even know them for what we can observe, in which case you cannot say nothing cannot come from nothing even now. You are expanding the area of uncertainty not reducing it.

If that were truly the case, why even add this:

I would say that the laws we see now are the best indstanding based on evidence, they are of course open to revision if new evidence comes to light that refutes them.

I still think it's you who does not see.
 
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I do not accept that anything in the bible is true just because it is in the bible. For it to be true it needs to be the word of God and there is no evidence that this is the case. That's what I am struggling with.

Because you believe you are the ultimate judge of God and in that simply not the case.
 
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I’ve read a fair few, but it’s irrelevant. There’s no evidence anybody has provided about outside of what we can observe. So it’s all conjecture and the possibilities are endless. I don’t see how anybody’s opinion is more relevant if they have nothing observable to base it on.
For the most part, I agree with you. The world's greatest scientist probably knows no more about God and the than the average person, though it might still be helpful to learn the perspective of some of the world's best thinkers.
 
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The science people appear to put such strong faith in is only 100 years old at most. According to the Bible. God has been working miracles on Earth for THOUSANDS of years..

Requiring. Scientifically validated empirical evidences neatly excludes 99%. Of the time and space over which God has allegedly been acting.

Humans didn't have first rate science. For most of history in pre history. So there is no scientific empirical evidence of most of the major miracles described in the Bible All of which occurred in the past Supposedly.

Ipso facto. God in heaven doesn't exist?!?

God doesn't exist because humans don't have evidence of God. Because humans didn't have the scientist to detect evidence of God for 99% of the space in time of their existence.

Well wait around for another century or 2. If God keeps up God's previous pace. God will work, a major miracle sometime within the next century or so.

Until then, the only evidence is the non empirical evidence of the Bible. Which still very arguably? Testifies of itself. For example, that the predictions and prophecies in the book of Daniel came to pass 500 years after they were written... Exactly AS they were written.

Doesn't that seem superhuman, supernaturally surprising?
 
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I don't save anyone. God is the one who saves. And I am not going to lie to him. If you love someone, you tell them the truth. By his own words, he is rejecting God. The Bible says when you reject God you are suppressing the truth. Jesus called everyone to repentance, He never needed to prove God exists to them, because Jesus knew the heart of man is desperately wicked. And Jesus knows that everyone knows that God exists.
Do you also walk up to overweight people and tell them they are fat?
 
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I think this is where you go wrong. You are searching for life giving faith. You will find it if you want to, even if it’s not true. I am searching for truth, so your path to believing in God isn’t what I want. I want evidence to know it’s true.

I think I made that pretty clear in my original post, yet all you offer is ways of getting faith back, not ways of identifying truth.

As an analyst yourself you should understand that your question itself may be loaded and what you consider evidence narrows the Truth somewhat. Is a testimony evidence? Testimonies can decide the outcome of a murder case. The fact that we have a knife with Blood On does not say WhoDunnit?
 
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Losing my religion, where is the evidence for God
The best evidence for God is from philosophy. Because we are conscious creatures who discern good from bad, there must be a God with at least the same characteristics as us.
 
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Psalm 19:1-6 (KJV)
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

It's pretty obvious when you look at the earth around you that there must have been an intelligent designer to put this all together. It's much easier to believe than to believe that all this took place by some random event. However, if that's not good enough for you (can't imagine why) then the one thing atheists have a hard time with is fulfilled prophecy which have been predicted thousands of years ago and couldn't have been predicted by natural man. Here's an example of some of what's already been fulfilled, The ones listed are just the ones related to Jesus. There's many more related to the Old Testament. Hope this is a help to you.
 

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Not an equitable comparison.

I was responding to the person's own post that he was rejecting the truth of God.
I just dropped in to say how much I love hearing you Christian's talk about nothing, well maybe it's something to you. I can't figure it out though, hey do you think that Jesus will send me to hell for relieving my sexual tension.

I used to feel so guilty for thinking sexual thoughts, I think it sent me a bit loopy. I did ask Jesus to help me control my urges, but they never went away.

Sorry I'm having a me moment.
 
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I just dropped in to say how much I love hearing you Christian's talk about nothing, well maybe it's something to you. I can't figure it out though, hey do you think that Jesus will send me to hell for relieving my sexual tension.

I used to feel so guilty for thinking sexual thoughts, I think it sent me a bit loopy. I did ask Jesus to help me control my urges, but they never went away.
Are you sure you really wanted them to go away?
As for what Jesus does with you, that's for Him to decide, not us.
 
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I just dropped in to say how much I love hearing you Christian's talk about nothing, well maybe it's something to you. I can't figure it out though, hey do you think that Jesus will send me to hell for relieving my sexual tension.

I used to feel so guilty for thinking sexual thoughts, I think it sent me a bit loopy. I did ask Jesus to help me control my urges, but they never went away.

Sorry I'm having a me moment.

Or maybe you go to heaven for not allowing your sexual tensions to end in rape.
 
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The best evidence for God is from philosophy. Because we are conscious creatures who discern good from bad, there must be a God with at least the same characteristics as us.

That is completely non sequitur. Us discerning good from bad is evidence of us discerning good from bad, nothing more than that.
 
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Psalm 19:1-6 (KJV)
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

It's pretty obvious when you look at the earth around you that there must have been an intelligent designer to put this all together. It's much easier to believe than to believe that all this took place by some random event. However, if that's not good enough for you (can't imagine why) then the one thing atheists have a hard time with is fulfilled prophecy which have been predicted thousands of years ago and couldn't have been predicted by natural man. Here's an example of some of what's already been fulfilled, The ones listed are just the ones related to Jesus. There's many more related to the Old Testament. Hope this is a help to you.

There is no reason to believe in intelligent design. There are millions of species that have ceased to exist, literally billions of billions of planets with no apparent life. Design implies a desired finished outcome, there is no way to know that such a thing exists. Design implies a conscious designer. There is no evidence that such a thing exists. I do not see why it is easier to believe that an infinite perfect being can just exist without a creator but that a finite, imperfect universe cannot.

There is evidence for evolution and the Big Bang. There is no evidence at all of whether anything before or outside of the universe exists. We simply do not know anything about how all this came into existence. We do know how it took it’s current form and roughly how long ago that occurred. It directly contradicts the bible account and as such the bible is not the word of an omniscient God.

The prophecies about Jesus were known to the people who wrote the New Testament claiming they had been fulfilled. There is no evidence that the New Testament is a true account. It wasn’t even written by eyewitnesses, was written decades after the events and with the express purpose of recruiting people to believe Jesus was the son of God.
 
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My opinion but the evidence is not as blatantly obvious as some might want ! It's sometimes the little things the things we might be missing even He most definitely is trying to show us . Sometimes you might even be in a valley where you just don't think He's hearing you but Believe my friend He is always there, always teaching that's faith that what it's about. For me in a rationalist way, I know He talks to me in numerous ways ,,,Be still He says
 
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There is no reason to believe in intelligent design. There are millions of species that have ceased to exist, literally billions of billions of planets with no apparent life. Design implies a desired finished outcome, there is no way to know that such a thing exists. Design implies a conscious designer. There is no evidence that such a thing exists. I do not see why it is easier to believe that an infinite perfect being can just exist without a creator but that a finite, imperfect universe cannot.

There is evidence for evolution and the Big Bang. There is no evidence at all of whether anything before or outside of the universe exists. We simply do not know anything about how all this came into existence. We do know how it took it’s current form and roughly how long ago that occurred. It directly contradicts the bible account and as such the bible is not the word of an omniscient God.

The prophecies about Jesus were known to the people who wrote the New Testament claiming they had been fulfilled. There is no evidence that the New Testament is a true account. It wasn’t even written by eyewitnesses, was written decades after the events and with the express purpose of recruiting people to believe Jesus was the son of God.

It directly contradicts the bible account and as such the bible is not the word of an omniscient God.

And Shakespeare and Aesop's Fables are entirely fiction and contains no truth of any kind whatever either, especially when you take them literally, as you seem to be implying all literature must be, including the whole of the Bible, if it is considered to be in any way 'true' to life or wise in it's aphorisms, allegories or complex metaphorically mythical and poetic language.

Not at all 'inspired', as any bored and inattentive, ignorant school-child will tell you. Not worth bothering with.

But why bother reading anything but science books and 'Agnostic Weekly'? Why bother reading at all? Especially when it takes effort and research to understand author's intentions properly.

It surely is not a simple choice between 'Deliberate Design' and 'Blind Unpredictable Chance'. You seem to have adopted a very binary system of logic when considering the possibility of a creating spirit being behind the material creation, evolutionary principles and the divine inspiration of scripture. (Or for that matter even the human 'inspiration' of any literature at all, which, in your opinion may not to be purely historically and scientifically 'factual'.)
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