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I feel the same way about overweight Christians.
Although having a drink now and then is harmless. Obesity is far worse.
I have noticed certain Christians fixate on alcohol while ignoring the obesity epidemic. You can have a majority of the congregation having a pot luck, eating unhealthy foods, with diabetics shooting up insulin... but God forbid anyone drink a beer.
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This style of argument never makes sense. A person who feels they need to abstain from drinking is not going to give up ten years of sobriety because someone is drinking a beer within sight.
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There is something strange going on in our western medical world, some medicines cause major rise in apetite or simply disorder in metabolism, some are antidepressants and some of us humans given when we should have therapytalks with a psychoterapist to sort out the problems instead of supressing them and adding 100 pounds instead- guess if that makes anyone happy. Well it is a usual sideeffect and it does not sort out any problems. Besides there are a few problems like narcissism that makes everyone around them go to the schrink but the ones with the real problem, they see no problem with themself, they think they are perfect and that everyone needs to serve them or else they get rid of them somehow. It is also not true that You always can run away from Your life because You have to get along with people somehow or else You find that You are chopped off from Your familyrights because some have stubborn difficult families. But I doubt antidepressants help in anyway, some people grew up a hard way and learned to live with it, if then antidepressants are put on life gets completedly miserable. I am talking literally about 5-6 hours in the gym per day lifting as heavy weights as a male bodybuilder to try to get rid of that weight but seemingly to no avail... one only gets stronger. The solution is to quit the pills under doctors supervision and eas up on the training to drop the weight. Ok If someone truly is suicidal maybe they should take something to get happy but they wont get happy if the get 100 pounds overweight. See what I mean. I mean do not give antidepressants to someone that does not need it.
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I feel that I could benefit from an antidepressant but these drugs do tend to increase one's appetite and make you gain for whatever reason, and that's why I remain weary of them even when I'm trying them.
I don't like feeling so artificially "happy" that I can't cry - things that definitely should bother me or move me to tears have no effect on me and that is actually pretty embarrassing if anyone knew that. What would happen, if, say, my mom died or something and I didn't shed a tear or show any sadness because the drug did that to me? Yikes...
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You may be right in what you must do.
In my early 20s when I was a young troop in the Air Force, I was stationed overseas in a location where we "worked hard and played hard." On some occasions, the squadron commander himself would spring for several kegs of beer for a night of drinking, smoking, playing cards, and a bunch of guys being a roudy bunch of guys.
But the Holy Spirit told me, "Go, but don't drink." I wasn't a smoker anyway, nor a card player (never was, not now). I'd have a beer now and then, but never got drunk.
What the Holy Spirit was telling now was: I don't want you to drink any alcohol at all.
I understood that. This was something personal. So I didn't. I'd go, I'd stick around long enough to have "supported the squadron," but I'd do nothing more than suck on a Dr Pepper.
I was very personally successful on that tour. Got promoted, received many accolades, and was well respected all around by peers and superiors.
Finally, the time came that I got a new assignment. At the farewell party, a younger airman approached me. He told me that since joining the Air Force, he had been feeling pressured to start drinking. He didn't want to, but it seemed that was necessary in order to be successful and respected.
But he had been watching me and noted that I didn't drink, yet was still successful and respected. And that gave him courage and confidence to refuse to drink.
Okay, I see what you did there, Holy Spirit.
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I don't know of any obese Christians who have had too much cake, got in their car in a carb-induced stupor, and run over someone. But I know of a great many instances of drunk driving that ended in tragedy.
In any case, I agree: Obesity is wrong, too. Drinking alcohol is not okay just because there is something you can point to that you think is worse. Being bit by a poisonous snake isn't all right just because you know someone who got eaten by a lion.
I should point out, too, that I never said the occasional beer is a sin. I did say that I think drinking alcohol is a "weight" spiritually and a foolish indulgence. You can re-read my earlier post if you need to refresh your memory as to my reasons why.
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The principle is this:
Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? -- Romans 6
Have you seen that recent anti-smoking television PSA where the cigarette addiction roughly grabs the kid out of the high school prom, away from his gorgeous prom date, to get outside for a smoke? The point of that PSA is that the kid has become an "obedient slave" to the cigarette addition.
Whatever has taken control of our actions, whatever controls our decisions, that is--de facto--our master, regardless of professions otherwise.
If Jesus had not been able to say, "No" to His flesh after fasting for 40 days, He would have proven Himself a slave to His flesh.
The sin is not that our flesh has lusts, the sin is allowing our flesh to control the decision of when, how, and whether to satisfy that lust. If our flesh controls that decision, then our flesh is our true master instead of Jesus.
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If You ever go hiking for a week and ate nothing more than what You hunted or found in the forest I think You start to know Your fleshly urges ( like soon I long after chocolate) and fears of predatoranimals kick in when the wolves houl even if it happen to be hunting month or berrypicking season, at least in my country. It is a danger to ones life here after all so we don’t go hiking much anymore, at least not overnight. But Yes no one is perfect. If we must have a perfect christian church then we have a fullblown war pretty soon.
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Well I have always had emotions and been able to express myself in words, with pills however, I felt more apathy - huge weight gain, but I could still cry, I was only getting harder to concentrate. Then I started to get panicattacks and could barely breath so even small doses was not making me any happier. I was happier without them quit honestly. A bouquet of flowers is 100 times more effective- I promise. No matter if I buy it my self or if someone else buys it.
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There is nothing wrong with a Christian drinking alcohol . This assumes that he or she is of legal age to do so, and that he or she is not getting drunk.
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What shall we do with the drunken christian,
what shall we do with the drunken christian
What shall we do with the drunken christian early in the morning?
what shall we do with the drunken christian
What shall we do with the drunken christian early in the morning?
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I place no rules on anyone else. But I do not drink, and will not drink again until I "drink it new again with Jesus in the Kingdom of heaven".
I felt it was a barrier in my faith, and also was relying on it as a habit. It was better that it go for me. Some people have no problem, can really take it or leave it, and for them, it is not an issue.
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The scriptures are against one drinking to excess , to getting drunk, to have a habit of drinking to excess, as we are to be infilled by the Holy and not wine or beer. They do allow the Christian to have freedom of choice to decide if having a beer or a glass of wine at a meal is acceptable or not, as the scriptures do not outright condone it period...
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They have strokes or pass out due to diabetes while driving. They die from health issues leaving young kids behind.
Being chronically obese always ends in tragedy.
Yet, obesity is socially acceptable. The religious folks that obsess about it often are obese or withhold from condemning it
Alcohol is a naturally occurring substance that Christ offered.
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Right now I have a sore throat, I am one of those people that rarely get a real temperature, I am always colder than normal so if I get the flue it is long and weary. But in Finland I would be prescribed alcoholic ephedrin, or but some unprescribed caughmedicine that taste licourice and has alcohole, I could use my herbal alcoholoic drops, in Estonia I would be offered a spoon of snakevodka, in Sweden maybe some hot blackcurranttee, glögg with or without wine in germany chamomiletee or pepperminttee with herbal similar alcoholicdrops, or wine, in France wine, and basically everyone has a cure against a sore throat. I think applecidervinegar works, honey is nice, garlic, lemon , alot works other than alcohole as well. But it is true that alcohole is a preservative to herbal oils and snakepoison etc.
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People have strokes from any number of causes. And diabetics are not always obese or gluttonous.
It is a huge generalization to imply that all Christians who object to drinking alcohol are obese or have no problem with others being obese. This just isn't the case. And even if it happened to be true, drinking alcohol would not therefore be a wise thing to do.
All sorts of harmful things are naturally occurring. And it is a matter of hot debate what sort of "wine" it was that Jesus made for the wedding at Cana. Some assert the alcohol content of the wine was likely very, very low. So low that it would have taken many amphoras worth of it to become drunk - more than a person could possibly consume. Whatever the case, the Bible repeatedly forbids drunkenness which one can easily avoid if one never takes up drinking alcohol.
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Folks don't like it when you attack their vices.
The 20 Warnings Against Alcohol in the Bible:
20 Warnings That Speak Against The Alcoholic Beverage Itself.
(That is not specifically or exclusively talking about drunkenness)
Passages For the Old Testament Saint:
1) Deuteronomy 29:5-6
- God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.
(The reason for this action was taken so as to show how they knew God).
2) Deuteronomy 32:33
- Enemy's wine is like the poison of serpents vs. Israelite's pure blood of the grape (verse 14).
3) 1 Samuel 1:14-15
- Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.
4) Proverbs 4:17
- Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.
5) Proverbs 20:1
- Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.
6) Proverbs 23:31
- God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.
7) Proverbs 23:32
- Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.
8) Proverbs 23:35
- Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain so he does not perceive it as a warning.
(It also says Alcohol is habit forming).
9) Proverbs 31:4-5
- Kings, Princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol. Alcohol perverts good judgment.
10) Ecclesiastes 2:3
- The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not.
(c.f. Ecclesiastes 12:8)
11) Ecclesiastes 10:17
- A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink.
12) Isaiah 5:22
- There is a woe unto them who mix strong drinks.
13) Jeremiah 35:2-14
- The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed.
14) Daniel 1:5-17
- Daniel refused the king’s intoxicating wine and was blessed for it along with his abstaining friends.
15) Hosea 4:11
- Intoxicating wine seduces the heart.
Passages For the New Testament Saint:
16) 1 Timothy 3:2-3
- Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine.
17) 1 Timothy 3:8
- Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers.
18) 1 Timothy 3:11
- Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober.
19) Titus 1:7-8
- A bishop is not to be given to wine.
20) Titus 2:2-3
- The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine.
Source Used:
75 Bible References on Drinking Alcohol
(Please take note that I only agree with the Scripture that they posted; This does not mean I am in agreement with the author's other beliefs on other topics).
The 20 Warnings Against Alcohol in the Bible:
20 Warnings That Speak Against The Alcoholic Beverage Itself.
(That is not specifically or exclusively talking about drunkenness)
Passages For the Old Testament Saint:
1) Deuteronomy 29:5-6
- God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.
(The reason for this action was taken so as to show how they knew God).
2) Deuteronomy 32:33
- Enemy's wine is like the poison of serpents vs. Israelite's pure blood of the grape (verse 14).
3) 1 Samuel 1:14-15
- Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.
4) Proverbs 4:17
- Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.
5) Proverbs 20:1
- Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.
6) Proverbs 23:31
- God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.
7) Proverbs 23:32
- Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.
8) Proverbs 23:35
- Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain so he does not perceive it as a warning.
(It also says Alcohol is habit forming).
9) Proverbs 31:4-5
- Kings, Princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol. Alcohol perverts good judgment.
10) Ecclesiastes 2:3
- The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not.
(c.f. Ecclesiastes 12:8)
11) Ecclesiastes 10:17
- A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink.
12) Isaiah 5:22
- There is a woe unto them who mix strong drinks.
13) Jeremiah 35:2-14
- The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed.
14) Daniel 1:5-17
- Daniel refused the king’s intoxicating wine and was blessed for it along with his abstaining friends.
15) Hosea 4:11
- Intoxicating wine seduces the heart.
Passages For the New Testament Saint:
16) 1 Timothy 3:2-3
- Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine.
17) 1 Timothy 3:8
- Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers.
18) 1 Timothy 3:11
- Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober.
19) Titus 1:7-8
- A bishop is not to be given to wine.
20) Titus 2:2-3
- The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine.
Source Used:
75 Bible References on Drinking Alcohol
(Please take note that I only agree with the Scripture that they posted; This does not mean I am in agreement with the author's other beliefs on other topics).
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