How do we fix the current political climate?

Original Happy Camper said:

And how do you interpret this verse
Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

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How did a decent political discussion get sidetracked into this mess?

chevyontheriver said:

How did a decent political discussion get sidetracked into this mess?

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ask JackRT as I was responding to the below response he made on evolution
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As always the problems come down to just how we interpret scripture. Forty thousand plus denominations attest to that

In order for it to truly be addressed quickly, it would require some real efforts from the top-down. Chances are, though, that you are not a major play in American or international media.

So, the best thing you can do is do the proper thing and hope for change. Be the right change and try to own your social media space well, promoting exactly that sort of feeling.

I think if Christians consistently did the right thing in their personal lives, just 66% of them, we would have a different climate in regards to dozens of important issues immediately. Let's do our best.

Original Happy Camper said:

ask JackRT as I was responding to the below response he made on evolution
JackRT said: ↑
As always the problems come down to just how we interpret scripture. Forty thousand plus denominations attest to that

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No. This was a decent political discussion that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EVOLUTION until it got sidetracked. I'm doubting it can be redeemed at this point.

chevyontheriver said:

No. This was a decent political discussion that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EVOLUTION until it got sidetracked. I'm doubting it can be redeemed at this point.

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Well I did not sidetrack it, only responded to error as I saw it.

Original Happy Camper said:

Sorry to hear that

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What do you have against wisdom? I didn’t just sit back and take some preachers opinions as fact.

cow451 said:

What do you have against wisdom? I didn’t just sit back and take some preachers opinions as fact.

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Sola Scriptura

Original Happy Camper said:

Sola Scriptura

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I have injured my knee. Which of the following can help me best?
A. My preacher
B. My physician
C. Mike Pence

cow451 said:

I have injured my knee. Which of the following can help me best?
A. My preacher
B. My physician
C. Mike Pence

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You forgot to include Jesus

Original Happy Camper said:

You forgot to include Jesus

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So I should skip the physician and Jesus will do an arthroscopy? I think instead I will trust Jesus and see a competent physician who was trained in in medical school not Sunday School.

ItIsFinished! said:

Actually I do not have a massive problem nor are there "masses" of evidence.
And I and many others do not have to cover our eyes nor pretend that the evidence isn't there, it just isn't there.
Has nothing to do with an offense or worldview.
And there is no path being followed, so not a matter of being productive.
It seems to me that you are the one covering the eyes and pretending.
That isn't very productive.

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Yeah....sure...

I’m just going to honour the OP and leave this sidetrack thanks...

chevyontheriver said:

How did a decent political discussion get sidetracked into this mess?

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It highlights part of the problem - dogma is more important than facts to certain types of voters. Plus a heaping helping of Dunning Kruger effect.

KCfromNC said:

It highlights part of the problem - dogma is more important than facts to certain types of voters. Plus a heaping helping of Dunning Kruger effect.

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The Dunning Kruger Effect influences much more than most people will ever realize.

ItIsFinished! said:

Do you know all American Christians to make such a ridiculous statement?
How about 75% of them?
How about 50% of them?
I think it would be safe to say less than 10%.
Therefore to state what you did about American Christians is unfounded and definitely not supported.

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I admit my statement may have been a bit broad. On edit I would say "If more American Christians...."

However, one of the clearest signs of kingdom confusion is the fact that today, the term "Evangelical Christian" represents a voting block instead of those who evangelize. Years ago I read Chuck Colsen's "Kingdoms in Conflict" -- it's even more relevant today.

chevyontheriver said:

The Dunning Kruger Effect influences much more than most people will ever realize.

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Is he related to Diane Kruger?

cow451 said:

Is he related to Diane Kruger?

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No. But in a roundabout way it is related to Abigail Chase.

WESTOZZIE said:

hahahaha...yes that is exactly what the current two party system is designed to bring in. That's why I gave your post a winner badge. Both sides are on the same team..same end game...the classic Hegelian dialectic struggle....Right versus Left politics is the same as the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. BOTH can only lead to DEATH .

The majority of Christians live(really they are dying) eating from the tree of the knowedge of good and evil ----so they support the whole political system of Right Vs Left ---Good Vs Evil...not realising that it is 180degrees from the truth...actually not even in the same sphere at all.

The tree of Life is a kingdom not of this world. The Kingdom does not come with observation.
Christians are the most deceived and blinded people on this planet.
And yet God is working all things together for good.

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You have to limit that to American Christians.

And remember that American Christians do not make up the majority of Christianity, nor is America the center of Christian activity. In another 15 years, China will have more Christians than the US. China may already have more actual committed Christians (as opposed to nominal "Christian by default").

expos4ever said:

Nonsense. There is this curious phenomenon in American culture where Joe 6-pack imagines he is as qualified as a Harvard trained biologist when it comes to evaluating the theory of evolution (as an example).

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Or even the shape of the planet, which can be demonstrated by naked-eye observation merely standing at Cape Cod.

RDKirk said:

Or even the shape of the planet, which can be demonstrated by naked-eye observation merely standing at Cape Cod.

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Obviously flat. Dunning Kruger effect in action.

expos4ever said:

I would like to think that, despite the high present level of polarization, civil war in the USA is exceedingly unlikely. Your institutions and history of civil stability are too strong.

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And also, Americans are too fat, lazy, and addicted to our lives of ease. There is also not a serious disenchantment with the current form of government, just the people who happen to be in office in that government at any given moment.

A real civil war would require commitment to years of pain and suffering as well as a genuine disenchantment with the current form of government.

What we have now is a fringe of lunatics which is increasing greatly in bellicosity and moderately in size, fed in their extreme philosophies by Internet echo chambers that keep them convinced "The other side is is coming to get you, and they will succeed unless you take action now!"

So the US is going to suffer more lone wolf attacks, but it's never going to scale up to an actual civil war.

However...I suspect the intensity will actually diminish substantially when the Boomer Generation dies. We Boomers were the last generation that was born and raised in social and ethnic apartheid, and we make up the bulk of hard-core extremists. Unfortunately, we Boomers still control media, industry, and politics.

We Boomers certainly have a reflection of our attitudes in the X Generation and Millennials, but it wasn't inculcated into them from birth with absolute social thoroughness as it was with Boomers and earlier generations. It's likely to die out in their generations once Boomers are no longer around to keep the flames fanned.