The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

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Define kolazo | Definition for word kolazo Vine's Greek New Testment Dictionary kolazo

Kolazo=

Define kolazo | Definition for word kolazo Vine's Greek New Testment Dictionary kolazo

1. Punish kolazo primarily denotes "to curtail, prune, dock" (from kolos, "docked"); then, "to check, restrain, punish;"

The original word kolasis, supposed to teach the doctrine of endless punishment, was frequently applied, as lexicographers inform us, to the pruning of trees. In this sense, its application here is full of significance. It shows at once the important object of punishment, viz.: to improve and benefit man. For what purpose are trees pruned? Not to injure them, certainly; but to improve them. Such being clearly the object of punishment, under the government of an all-wise and benevolent God, hence this term kolasis was appropriately employed in the text.

Lexicographers define kolasis thus: "Punishment, chastisement, correction, the pruning of trees." This "everlasting punishment" (aionios kolasis) is designed for some wise and benevolent purpose, not absolutely to injure, but ultimately to benefit and improve those chastened.
 
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Punishment kolasis akin to kolazo kolazo under PUNISH), "punishment," is used in Matt 25:46, "(eternal) punishment," and 1 John 4:18, "(fear hath) punishment," RV (AV, "torment"), which there describes a process, not merely an effect; this kind of fear is expelled by perfect love; where God's love is being perfected in us, it gives no room for the fear of meeting with His reprobation; the "punishment" referred to is the immediate consequence of the sense of sin, not a holy awe but a slavish fear, the negation of the enjoyment of love.
 
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Then, by the same reasoning, the "parallel" in Rom.5:19 proves Scriptural universalism to be true:
Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."
Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."
1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.
1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.
Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
Smoke and mirrors. None of this repetitious copy/paste wall of text specifically addresses anything in my post.
Clem said:
And your translation of Mt.25:46 contradicts this translation of Lamentations 3:
Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.
Wrong! Repeating the same out-of-context proof texts over and over and over does not make them say what you erroneously claim.

Psa 94:14-15
(14) For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.
(15) But judgment shall return unto righteousness: and all the upright in heart shall follow it.
The psalmist specifically says that YHWH will not cast off “His people” or “forsake His inheritance.” “His people” [Ex 5:1, 7:4] and “His inheritance” [Deu 4:20, 9:29] is Israel not all mankind.
Lam 1:8
(8) Jerusalem hath grievously sinned, therefore she is become as one unclean; all that honoured her despise her, because they have seen her nakedness; she herself also sigheth, and turneth backward.
The subject is Jerusalem who sinned, became unclean and turned backward.
Lam 1:12
(12) 'Let it not come unto you, all ye that pass by! Behold, and see if there be any pain like unto my pain, which is done unto me, wherewith the LORD hath afflicted me in the day of His fierce anger.
The writer is complaining about what is happening to himself, his pain and afflictions, not all mankind.
Lam 1:17
(17) Zion spreadeth forth her hands; there is none to comfort her; the LORD hath commanded concerning Jacob, that they that are round about him should be his adversaries; Jerusalem is among them as one unclean.
The problems of Jerusalem, Zion and Jacob, they were unclean, not all mankind.
Lam 3:25
(25) The LORD is good unto them that wait for Him, to the soul that seeketh Him.
Specifies a certain group. The Lord is only good to them that wait and seek for Him. Conversely, the Lord is not good to those who do not wait and seek for Him.
Lam 3:31-33
(31) For the Lord will not cast off for ever.
(32) But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies.
(33) For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.
See vs. 25. Nothing in the passage vs. 1-66, indicates God is referring to all mankind in vs. 31.
Jewish Encyclopedia-Gentiles
With regard to the text "This is the law when a man dieth in a tent" (Num. xix. 14), they held that only Israelites are men, quoting the prophet, "Ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men" (Ezek. xxxiv. 31); Gentiles they classed not as men but as barbarians (B. M. 108b).
GENTILE - JewishEncyclopedia.com
Lm 3:40
(40) Let us search and try our ways, and return to the LORD.
In the same chapter as vs. 31, not all mankind only Jerusalem and Zion, vs. 17, whom the writer has been talking about.
Lam 3:42
(42) We have transgressed and have rebelled; Thou hast not pardoned.
“We,” Jerusalem and Zion, [vs. 17] have transgressed and have not been pardoned, not all mankind.
Lam 3:43
(43) Thou hast covered with anger and pursued us; Thou hast slain unsparingly.
A specific group “us,” Jerusalem and Zion, vs. 17, are covered with anger, are pursued and slain unsparingly, as in vs. 42, not all mankind.
Lam 3:45-48
(45) Thou hast made us as the offscouring and refuse in the midst of the peoples.
(46) All our enemies have opened their mouth wide against us.
(47) Terror and the pit are come upon us, desolation and destruction.
(48) Mine eye runneth down with rivers of water, for the breach of the daughter of my people.
Vs. 45 two groups “us” and “the peoples.” Vs. 46, two groups “our enemies” and “us”. Vss. 47-48 “us” and “my people” not all mankind.
Lam 3:56-57
(56) Thou heardest my voice; hide not Thine ear at my sighing, at my cry.
Lam 3:57
(57) Thou drewest near in the day that I called upon Thee; Thou saidst: 'Fear not.'
The writer is praying to God about his problems not all mankind. God is not telling all mankind to “fear not.”
Lam 3:62-66
(62) The lips of those that rose up against me, and their muttering against me all the day.
(63) Behold Thou their sitting down, and their rising up; I am their song.
(64) Thou wilt render unto them a recompense, O LORD, according to the work of their hands.
(65) Thou wilt give them hardness of heart, Thy curse unto them.
(66) Thou wilt pursue them in anger, and destroy them from under the heavens of the LORD.
These 5 verses say what happens to “them,” Israel’s enemies. If the writer was saying in Lam 3:31 the Lord will not cast off all mankind for ever, how could he say that God would pursue “’them’ and destroy ‘them’ from under the heavens [plural] of God,” vs. 3:66? Did the writer of Lamentations forget what he wrote in 3:31?
…..Is there anything in Lamentations, or the entire OT, that would make the writer or any Israelite, at the time, reading Lamentations think that God was going to save all mankind after death?

Lam 4:16
(16) The anger of the LORD hath divided them; He will no more regard them; they respected not the persons of the priests, they were not gracious unto the elders.
Does “no more regard them” mean “in the sweet by and by I will regard them again?” Is there anything in Lamentations or the entire OT that would make the writer or any Israelite reading Lamentations, at the time, think that God was going to save all mankind after death?
.....And FYI it is a circular argument trying to prove your interpretation of Lam 3:31 by quoting Lam 3:31.

Clem said:
While these translations (& others) of Mt.25:46 are in harmony with all the verses above i have posted:
Clem said:
The New Testament: A Translation, by Eastern Orthodox scholar David Bentley Hart, 2017, Yale Press):
"And these shall go to the chastening of that Age, but the just to the life of that Age."
Youngs Literal Translation of the Holy Bible, 1898:
"And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during."
Emphatic Diaglott, 1942 edition
"And these shall go forth to the aionian 1 cutting-off; but the RIGHTEOUS to aionian Life."
Concordant Literal New Testament, 1983
And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian."
Rotherham Emphasized Bible, 1959
"And these shall go away into age-abiding correction, But the righteous into age-abiding life."
You can quote a 1000 biased UR versions but none of that "proves" they are right and widely accepted versions such as NET, NIV etc. are wrong. What is needed is a credible scholastic study which shows beyond any doubt that "aion" does not/cannot mean "eternity" and "aionion" does not/ cannot mean "eternal." You do not have that kind of evidence and never will.
 
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Aion/ Aionion

https://www.anonymouschristian.org/blog/aion-aionion-olam-does-not-mean-eternal/

Hebrew Olam=

Strong's Hebrew: 5769. עוֹלָם (olam) -- long duration, antiquity, futurity

HEBREW WORD STUDIES עוֹלָם, 'olam' for 'everlasting, age-lasting'

Aidios=

Aidios - New Testament Greek Lexicon - New American Standard

"FOR THE SON OF MAN IS COME TO SEEK AND TO SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST." Luke 19. 10.

I gather from His own parables, and His essential nature, that so long as anything is lost, Jesus Christ will go on seeking and saving; for is He not always the same? (Heb. 13. 8.) "'the lost" are His charge, and not some of the lost, a very different thing. Or are we to read this verse thus:

"He came indeed to save 'the lost '-but those in the fullest sense 'lost' He will never save?"
 
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Smoke and mirrors. None of this repetitious copy/paste wall of text specifically addresses anything in my post.

Of course not. Because it wasn't addressing your post or you! It was a response to another person, namely poster "he-man". And BTW I already responded to your comments in post #1751, which evidently you were not aware of & or overlooked. My post #1742 also addresses Lamentations 3:31-33 & your comments.
 
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Then, by the same reasoning, the "parallel" in Rom.5:19 proves Scriptural universalism to be true:

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."
Emphatic Diaglott, 1942 edition
"And these shall go forth to the aionian 1 cutting-off; but the RIGHTEOUS to aionian Life."
duh You are in left field along with the goats:

The Judgment at Christ's Coming

Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting penal infliction: but the righteous into life eternal.
G2851 κόλασις kolasis From G2849; penal infliction; Hp.Praec.5, Pl.Ap.26a, al., Th.1.41; opp. τιμωρία, Arist.Rh.1369b13; of divine retribution, Ev.Matt.25.46
penalize

2Th 1:9  who shall pay the penalty of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his might, 

AMP
These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
AMPC
Such people will pay the penalty and suffer the punishment of everlasting ruin (destruction and perdition) and eternal exclusion and banishment from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
CSB
They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from the Lord’s presence and from his glorious strength
CEB
They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction away from the Lord’s presence and away from his mighty glory.
CJB
They will suffer the just penalty of eternal destruction, far away from the face of the Lord and the glory of his might.
 
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d; You are in left field along with the goats:

The Judgment at Christ's Coming

Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting penal infliction: but the righteous into life eternal.
G2851 κόλασις kolasis From G2849; penal infliction; Hp.Praec.5, Pl.Ap.26a, al., Th.1.41; opp. τιμωρία, Arist.Rh.1369b13; of divine retribution, Ev.Matt.25.46
penalize

2Th 1:9  who shall pay the penalty of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his might, 

 
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Obviously to destroy does not require casting off forever. What is the problem in understanding the easy harmonization of 3:31-33 with 3:62-66? From "under the heavens" is a way of saying - from the earth or from this life. It says nothing about postmortem consequences or final destiny.

The heavens in "under the heavens" will pass away & there will be a new universe. The destroyed bodies will live again when they are un-destroyed in resurrection. Their souls continue to exist & live when their bodies are destroyed. Nothing is said in Lam.3:62-66 of what will become of them in the new heavens & new earth. Though 3:31-33 says:

Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.…

Dear Clement: Our God kills & He makes alive. He may indeed cause grief moving towards a benevolent purpose. Like all things associated with this mighty God of ours, the foundation is His love, from which flows His loving kindness. I believe the word "abundant" expresses the scope of His great love. His love is exceedingly abundantly beyond all we can ask or think! And, the intensity of that exceeding love is the foundation for why we love Him so!

From Him, through Him, for Him
 
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"That sin disturbed relations with God in everything and everyone, but the extent of the disturbance was not clear until God spelled it out in detail to Moses. So death, this huge abyss separating us from God, dominated the landscape from Adam to Moses. Even those who didn't sin precisely as Adam did by disobeying a specific command of God still had to experience this termination of life, this separation from God.

But Adam, who got us into this, also points ahead to the One who will get us out of it.

Yet the rescuing gift is not exactly parallel to the death-dealing sin. If one man's sin put crowds of people at the dead-end abyss of separation from God, just think what God's gift poured through one man, Jesus Christ, will do!

There's no comparison between that death-dealing sin and this generous, life-giving gift. The verdict on that one sin was the death sentence; the verdict on the many sins that followed was this wonderful life sentence. If death got the upper hand through one man's wrongdoing, can you imagine the breathtaking recovery life makes, sovereign life, in those who grasp with both hands this wildly extravagant life-gift, this grand setting-everything-right, that the one man Jesus Christ provides?

Here it is in a nutshell: Just as one person did it wrong and got us in all this trouble with sin and death, another person did it right and got us out of it. But more than just getting us out of trouble, he got us into life!

One man said no to God and put many people in the wrong; one man said yes to God and put many in the right.

All that passing laws against sin did was produce more lawbreakers. But sin didn't, and doesn't, have a chance in competition with the aggressive forgiveness we call grace. When it's sin versus grace, grace wins hands down. All sin can do is threaten us with death, and that's the end of it. Grace, because God is putting everything together again through the Messiah, invites us into life - a life that goes on and on and on, world without end."
 
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"FOR THE SON OF MAN IS COME TO SEEK AND TO SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST." Luke 19. 10.

If so, I gather from His own parables, and His essential nature, that so long as anything is lost, Jesus Christ will go on seeking and saving; for is He not always the same? (Heb. 13. 8.) "'the lost" are His charge, and not some of the lost, a very different thing. Or are we to read this verse thus:

"He came indeed to save 'the lost '-but those in the fullest sense 'lost' He will never save?"

"THE SAME CAME... THAT ALL MEN THROUGH HIM (CHRIST) MIGHT BELIEVE." John 1. 7

Yes, that all men might believe, that is indeed the divine purpose - the purpose of Him Who sent John the Baptist. But dare we say, that what God purposes, He will fail to do? I read distinctly of the immutability of His counsel (Heb. 6. 17). Am I to believe that the immutable purpose of the Almighty and unchanging God shall finally come to nothing?

"For He pre-destined us to be adopted by Himself as sons through Jesus Christ--such being His gracious will and pleasure-- to the praise of the splendour of His grace with which He has enriched us in the beloved One. It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him."
 
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You should remember that next time you use the word, which has been often. Again, you state the obvious.
The LXX omits "are men", as do two of your most trusted versions, the NIV & NET, etc. Perhaps you should listen to them instead of the silly racist opinions of those whom Scripture says their minds are blinded (2 Cor.4:4; 1 Cor.2:12-16). Is God a racist? Are His inspired Scriptures?
Such does not necessarily mean "he shall never look upon them again". So there is no contradiction between Lam.4:16 and 3:31-33:
The highly acclaimed Liddell-Scott Greek lexicon states:
"in LXX and NT, continue or repeat an action":
Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, προστίθημι
Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:

32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.
"Lit:"place/set-toward", hence add/proceed-onward":
Kata Biblon Wiki Lexicon - προστίθημι - to add (v.)

Obviously to destroy does not require casting off forever. What is the problem in understanding the easy harmonization of 3:31-33 with 3:62-66? From "under the heavens" is a way of saying - from the earth or from this life. It says nothing about postmortem consequences or final destiny.
The destroyed bodies will live again when they are un-destroyed in resurrection. Their souls continue to exist & live when their bodies are destroyed. Nothing is said in Lam.3:62-66 of what will become of them in the new heavens & new earth. Though 3:31-33 says:
You need to get your facts straight:
Lamentations 3:62-66 of what will become of them in the new heavens & new earth.

Lamentations 3:62 The lips of those that rose up against me, and their device against me all the day.
Lamentations 3:66 Persecute and destroy them in anger from under the heavens of the LORD.

Psalms 94:12 Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;
Psalms 94:13 That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked.

Psalms 94:14 For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.

Though 3:31-33 says: For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER is talking about

Mic 7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

Psalms 77:15 Thou hast with thine arm redeemed thy people, the sons of Jacob and Joseph. Selah

2 Corinthians 4:4 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

That by the God of this world the supreme Being is meant, who in his judgment gave over the minds of the unbelieving Jews to spiritual darkness, so that destruction came upon them to the uttermost: of THIS WORLD, means simply mankind at large in their state of probation in this lower world, in opposition to their state in the world to come. The same meaning the word has in several other places, to which l need not refer; it is simply implying the present state of things, governed by the Divine providence, in contradistinction from the eternal state: and it is very remarkable that, in 1 Timothy 1:17, God himself is called τω δε βασιλει των αιωνων, the King of the WORLD; what we call King eternal; but here it evidently means Him who governs both worlds, and rules in time and eternity.
Some, and particularly the ancient fathers, have connected and have read the verse: But God hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, Theophylact, and Augustine, all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients The Adam Clarke Commentary 2 Corinthians 4 Commentary - Adam Clarke Commentary

It is shown by the fact that God controls who should hear and who should see:

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Matthew 5:45  that ye may be sons of your Father in the heavens, because His sun He doth cause to rise on evil and good, and He doth send rain on righteous and unrighteous.

Romans 11:8-10: God HATH GIVEN THEM THE SPIRIT of SLUMBER, EYES that they SHOULD not SEE, and EARS that they SHOULD not HEAR; let their EYES be DARKENED .

Isaiah 6:9: Go and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. MAKE the HEART of this PEOPLE FAT, and MAKE their EARS HEAVY, and SHUT their EYES; LEST they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart.

Exodus 4:11  And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

It is God who says, "I kill, and I make alive" (Deut. 32:39)

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Now get your word correct and your translation correct:
G4369 προστίθημι = LSJ = to close a door, inflict, MiddleLiddell = to put to the door, hand over, lay unto, bury, add, add to, increase; give, grant; proceed, go ahead, continue, do again; win over (of followers); bury Acts of the Apostles 13:36; Page 155 4th Edition The Greek New Testament

The word is προσετεθη in Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon
 
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Mic 7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

Micah 7:18b You do not stay angry forever but delight to show mercy. (NIV)

Does that sound like a God who is just itching to nuke people out of existence forever? Or a God who can't wait to bring out his whip & torture them for eternity?

Here's some more translations:

English Standard Version
He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in steadfast love.

Berean Study Bible
who does not retain His anger forever, because He delights in loving devotion?

New American Standard Bible
He does not retain His anger forever, Because He delights in unchanging love.

King James Bible
he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

Christian Standard Bible
He does not hold on to his anger forever because he delights in faithful love.

Contemporary English Version
You don't stay angry forever; you're glad to have pity

International Standard Version
He is not angry forever, because he delights in gracious love.

NET Bible
You do not remain angry forever, but delight in showing loyal love.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
You will not be angry forever, because you would rather show mercy.

JPS Tanakh 1917
He retaineth not His anger for ever, Because He delighteth in mercy.


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Dear Clement: As a man thinks in his own heart so is he. What a wonderful experience of metamorphoo awaits this sad dimension of broken lost sinners in Adam one. We did not choose to be constituted sinners, our God who does the radical pas in His perfect Plan has made it so. To what end?

The whole of created life shall be delivered/set free from the bondage of corruption into glorious liberty of the children of God

And now a word from A.E. Saxby regarding the glorious consummation of our God>>>

http://www.theheraldofgodsgrace.org/Saxby/GodInCreationRedemptionJudgmentAndConsummation.htm
 
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Micah 7:18b You do not stay angry forever but delight to show mercy. (NIV)
Does that sound like a God who is just itching to nuke people out of existence forever? Or a God who can't wait to bring out his whip & torture them for eternity?
Hey, get it straight. This is addressed to the remnant of his heritage

Mic 7:18  Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy. 
 
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Regarding free will, this is no issue to God. The only beings in creation concerned with human free will are humans. God does what He does regardless of our “free will.” He obviously ignores our will in judgment. Must God obtain the free will permission of the human before He casts him into the lake of fire? No. And God does not need the free will permission of the human to save him. God turns an unbeliever into a believer simply by overwhelming him with grace, as He did with unwilling Saul on the road to Damascus. And He can do this whenever it suits His will. Grace is not always poured out by God in the same measure. When He pours out overwhelming grace, who can resist? No one. Could we say then that God forces someone to be a believer against their will. Sure. And who would complain about this. No one because God has changed their heart to love Him.

“Ages of ages” simply refers to the supreme ages, just as “holy of holies” refers to the holiest place. And King of kings refers to the supreme King. The ages of the ages are the last two ages in which Christ rules - the age which includes the 1000 years and the new heaven and earth age. These are the supreme ages for obvious reasons. And these ages are all wrapped up at the consummation when Christ completes His work (1 Cor 15:21-28). This includes the vivification and subjection of all, and the defeat of death by our Savior.
 
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ClementofA said:

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.

1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.

20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

Dear Clement:

The equation is absolutely clear! The same polus "constituted sinners is the identical polus "constituted righteous."

The radical pas word of ALL is equally decisive! Everything (absolutely everything) of thrones & dominions & principalities or powers are made by Him & for Him!

The super radical word "the all" of ta panta rings loud and clear!

From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends

God in Creation, Redemption, Judgment and Consummation, by A. E. Saxby
 
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Wes posted

Regarding free will, this is no issue to God. The only beings in creation concerned with human free will are humans. God does what He does regardless of our “free will.” He obviously ignores our will in judgment. God turns an unbeliever into a believer simply by overwhelming him with grace, as He did with unwilling Saul on the road to Damascus. And He can do this whenever it suits His will. Grace is not always poured out by God in the same measure. When He pours out overwhelming grace, who can resist? No one. Could we say then that God forces someone to be a believer against their will. Sure. And who would complain about this. No one because God has changed their heart to love Him.
Sorry but God must first choose you before you can accept His invitation!

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Acts of the Apostles 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
 
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