Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved? (See 1 John 1:9)

DennisTate · Nov 16, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved?

I believe based on the Bible that the answer to this question would be a resounding.... "Yes."
This is based primarily upon 1 John 1:9
(But we can see it expressed in other verses in the Bible).

What do you say?
And can you support your belief on this with the Bible?
If so, then please provide the verses.

Thank you.

Oh, and also please vote in the poll, too.

Thank you.

And may God bless you all this fine day.

Side Note:

The poll options only allow me to say so much.
I wish I could add more words to the poll options but I cannot.
Anyways, it is implied that if you confess sin, it is also required that you have:

(a) A belief in Jesus and
(b) To confess those sins to Jesus.
(b) A Godly sorrow as a part of confessing sins.

If you disagree, then vote in the option that says, "Yes (Other, - please explain)"
If you voted wrong or if you feel you have changed your mind on this topic at some point, you are free to change your vote in the poll. Thank you; And may God bless you.

Near death experiencer and former ATheist Howard Storm Ph. D. was shown something about that:

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a06

They assured me that mistakes are an acceptable part of being human. "Go," they said, "and make all the mistakes you want. Mistakes are how you learn." As long as I tried to do what I knew was right, they said, I would be on the right path. If I made a mistake, I should fully recognize it as a mistake, then put it behind me and simply try not to make the same mistake again. The important things is to try one's best, keep one's standards of goodness and truth, and not compromise those to win people's approval.

"But," I said, "mistakes make me feel bad."

They said, "We love you the way you are, mistakes and all. And you can feel our forgiveness. You can feel our love any time you want to."

I said, "I don't understand. How do I do that?"

"Just turn inward," they said. "Just ask for our love and we'll give it to you if you ask from the heart."

They advised me to recognize it when I made a mistake and to ask for forgiveness. Before I even got the words out of my mouth, I would be forgiven but, I would have to accept the forgiveness. My belief in the principal of forgiveness must be real, and I would have to know that the forgiveness was given. Confessing, either in public or in private, that I had made a mistake, I should then ask for forgiveness. After that, it would be an insult to them if I didn't accept the forgiveness. I shouldn't continue to go around with a sense of guilt, and I should not repeat errors I should learn from my mistakes.

Presbyterian Continuist · Nov 16, 2018

David Cabrera said:
I don't understand how some people think that the ones who put other things besides God in first place aren't saved. We all failed in putting God in first place at lot of times. OSAS unfortunately creates doubts in the mind of those who thought they were surely saved.

One can hold the OSAS doctrine and, without truly being born again of the Holy Spirit, can be as lost as any unbelieving sinner.

Neogaia777 · Nov 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
One can hold the OSAS doctrine and, without truly being born again of the Holy Spirit, can be as lost as any unbelieving sinner.

One can do that, but how many do...?

If God knew you and chose you and drew you, and it is nothing of your own and your own choosing, not really, and he did this from the foundation of the world, then wouldn't He know if one was saved, or going to be saved, or whatever, or where they would ultimately land or eventually wind up or whatever, and everything in between, also from the foundation of, or before the foundation of the world...? Then He knew who was gonna be "saved/chosen" (because he chose them/us), right...? I mean, let me put it this way, if one...? Alright, Ok... If you could lose salvation, and could get it back again, and you did, could you lose it again...? If so, how many times could this happen or this process or cycle repeat or happen again and again in a persons life...? And God and only God would know all of it/that right...? From the foundation of the world, but, how would "we" know (it)...?

God Bless!

ToBeLoved · Nov 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
One can hold the OSAS doctrine and, without truly being born again of the Holy Spirit, can be as lost as any unbelieving sinner.

It is not specific to OSAS. That can be anyone no matter what their viewpoint on any number of beliefs. That has nothing to do with OSAS.

Why even include that. Seems a little sketchy

paul becke · Nov 16, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved?

I believe based on the Bible that the answer to this question would be a resounding.... "Yes."
This is based primarily upon 1 John 1:9
(But we can see it expressed in other verses in the Bible).

What do you say?
And can you support your belief on this with the Bible?
If so, then please provide the verses.

Thank you.

Oh, and also please vote in the poll, too.

Thank you.

And may God bless you all this fine day.

Side Note:

The poll options only allow me to say so much.
I wish I could add more words to the poll options but I cannot.
Anyways, it is implied that if you confess sin, it is also required that you have:

(a) A belief in Jesus and
(b) To confess those sins to Jesus.
(b) A Godly sorrow as a part of confessing sins.

If you disagree, then vote in the option that says, "Yes (Other, - please explain)"
If you voted wrong or if you feel you have changed your mind on this topic at some point, you are free to change your vote in the poll. Thank you; And may God bless you.

Yes ; if you are a Catholic. As heard it expressed in principle a long time ago : We need to be converted every morning. But curiously, I heard it expressed in a slightly different way, which seems relevant to the question : Are we saved once and for all, once we are 'born again'. A priest remarked in his homily, after reading the gospel, that we need to be born again, each day.

In principle, I believe that to be true. To imagine that we can go through a single day without being in any degree besmirched by the World does not seeem at all plausible.

St John seems to feel not in the least bit awkward about saying we cannot sin, and saying that if we say we do sin, we cannot have God's Spirit in us..... I think that is how he puts it. The whole issue of predestination and free will is a paradox , isn't it ? A concept repugnant to logic and reason, yet true - what we call a 'Mystery' of the Faith.

'For a righteous man may fall seven times
And rise again,
But the wicked shall fall by calamity.

- Proverbs 24:16-18

17 Do not rejoice when your enemy falls,
And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles;
18 Lest the Lord see it, and a]">[a]it displease Him,
And He turn away His wrath from him.

Presbyterian Continuist · Nov 16, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
It is not specific to OSAS.

Why even include that. Seems a little sketchy

I just used that one as an example. It may be that an OSAS person would think they are automatically saved because they went forward at an altar call and accepted Christ. But it applies to anyone who accepts Christ but just stays there and not get alone with God to pray and seek Him for the new birth, which can only come by the Holy Spirit through earnest repentance, and seeking God with all their heart in private prayer.

A person who makes some sort of acceptance of Christ and then goes around saying, "I am a Christian now", may be as lost as one who has never accepted Christ. Accepting Christ is one thing, but Christ accepting the person is quite another. Not everyone who says, "Lord, Lord" is saved. Only those who have repented of all known sin and sought God in the private place for the new birth by the Spirit.

Presbyterian Continuist · Nov 16, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
One can do that, but how many do...?

God Bless!

Ah! That is why the gate is narrow and few there be that find it! We know that Christian faith is a minority worldview in our society, but what if it is a minority in our churches??

Presbyterian Continuist · Nov 16, 2018

paul becke said:
Yes ; if you are a Catholic. As heard it expressed in principle a long time ago : We need to be converted every morning. But curiously, I heard it expressed in a slightly different way, which seems relevant to the question : Are we saved once and for all, once we are 'born again'. A priest remarked in his homily, after reading the gospel, that we need to be born again, each day.

In principle, I believe that to be true. To imagine that we can go through a single day without being in any degree besmirched by the World does not seeem at all plausible.

St John seems to feel not in the least bit awkward about saying we cannot sin, and saying that if we say we do sin, we cannot have God's Spirit in us..... I think that is how he puts it. The whole issue of predestination and free will is a paradox , isn't it ? A concept repugnant to logic and reason, yet true - what we call a 'Mystery' of the Faith.

'For a righteous man may fall seven times
And rise again,
But the wicked shall fall by calamity.

- Proverbs 24:16-18

17 Do not rejoice when your enemy falls,
And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles;
18 Lest the Lord see it, and a]">[a]it displease Him,
And He turn away His wrath from him.

There are a lot who say they are "born again" but don't show the evidence of it in their lives. They may have just "got religion" and are depending on that, as though "getting religion" is being born again. If you have read my other posts on this thread you will see what my definition of being "born again" is.

Neogaia777 · Nov 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
One can hold the OSAS doctrine and, without truly being born again of the Holy Spirit, can be as lost as any unbelieving sinner.

One can do that, but how many do...?

If God knew you and chose you and drew you, and it is nothing of your own and your own choosing, not really, and he did this from the foundation of the world, then wouldn't He know if one was saved, or going to be saved, or whatever, or where they would ultimately land or eventually wind up (and whether or not that would be acceptable to Him and/or would meet with His approval and blessing or not) or whatever, and everything in between, also from the foundation of, or before the foundation of the world...? Then He knew who was gonna be "saved/chosen" (because he chose them/us), right...? I mean, let me put it this way, if one...? Alright, Ok... If you could lose salvation, and could get it back again, and you did, could you lose it again...? If so, how many times could this happen or this process or cycle repeat or happen again and again in a persons life...? And God and only God would know all of it/that right...? From the foundation of the world, but, how would "we" know (it)...?

So you must understand that, since only God can know, and/but since we can't, and since these "terms" (OSAS, ect) are for, or only apply to us, then these terms should only apply to God, EXCEPT, these terms do not apply to and/or with God... So, aren't they kind of "meaningless"...?

God Bless!

ToBeLoved · Nov 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
I just used that one as an example. It may be that an OSAS person would think they are automatically saved because they went forward at an altar call and accepted Christ.

Why not include 5 possible scenarios then, instead of one specific one?

To me it doesn't meet people's needs if we act like their is only one doctrine that may have an issue when it could be any Christian. It's putting a focus on a very small number of believers instead of stating it as a common problem across any and all denominations. It's minimizing a very large issue.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter.

God bless you.

DeeR. · Nov 16, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
Im not sure how you can say he wasn’t.

You have no Biblical proof but New Testament verses that don’t pertain to David under the sold Covenant.

I have God Himself saying something about David that supports my point, plus David having authored half of Psalms.

You are the one with New Testament and New Covenant verses and pieces of a Covenant that David was never under.

God cannot hold David to something that was not in his Covenant.

You bob back and forth between two radically different Covenants grabbing pieces of each to make a point.

That is flip-flopping.

God is clear about each Covenant. But somehow you are not.

Thelogically, you are holding an Old Covenant believer to an odd and blasphemous merging of what you think is right, combining two Covenants.

Your not God. You don’t get to create a different Covenant for David than all the rest of the Hebrews of David’s time had.

If you cannot understand God’s ways are not man’s ways. God makes the rules. Learn to live with it.

I don’t care about my own opinion when God is clear. No one’s opinion matters when God says it.

This is getting ludacris.

There is no proof to your claim. The Bible doesn’t say he lost his salvation in between his sin.

You are pulling a rabbit out of a hat.

Read Psalms that David wrote. Maybe you Lil see what God liked about him.

No, it is not ludicrous at all. We have all believed and thought incorrectly who have believed. We are taught to instruct gently and be prepared to give an answer for what we believe. He obviously believes this so he is not intentionally trying to cause trouble. Be gentle.
We are told in scripture that David Abraham and all of those who believed God were credited with righteousness. When David committed murder & adultery God disciplined him as a child not as an unbeliever who did not know Him. He did not kick David out of the family even for that. No good father sets a condition that you are my child only when you do right & I disown you when you do wrong, God especially. He is able to do even more than we can because He called chose us and gave us His promise even while we were sinners. He has known all the sins we will still yet commit even when He sealed us & promised to finish His work in us completely and lose none of those who are His. If we are truly in Him we will Remain until the end because He has promised and will do it. Thanks Be to God our Father.

Presbyterian Continuist · Nov 16, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
One can do that, but how many do...?

If God knew you and chose you and drew you, and it is nothing of your own and your own choosing, not really, and he did this from the foundation of the world, then wouldn't He know if one was saved, or going to be saved, or whatever, or where they would ultimately land or eventually wind up (and whether or not that would be acceptable to Him and/or would meet with His approval and blessing or not) or whatever, and everything in between, also from the foundation of, or before the foundation of the world...? Then He knew who was gonna be "saved/chosen" (because he chose them/us), right...? I mean, let me put it this way, if one...? Alright, Ok... If you could lose salvation, and could get it back again, and you did, could you lose it again...? If so, how many times could this happen or this process or cycle repeat or happen again and again in a persons life...? And God and only God would know all of it/that right...? From the foundation of the world, but, how would "we" know (it)...?

So you must understand that, since only God can know, and/but since we can't, and since these "terms" (OSAS, ect) are for, or only apply to us, then these terms should only apply to God, EXCEPT, these terms do not apply to and/or with God... So, aren't they kind of "meaningless"...?

God Bless!

We do not get the cart before the horse in the area of election and predestination. What we do is to study and believe all the promises of God that tell us that if we come to Jesus and believe in Him, and be converted, we will be saved. We can tell God, "Whatever are the mysteries of Your decrees in Heaven, I believe your promises that if I come to Jesus and believe in Him, I will be truly converted and saved, then I will truly believe that I am one of your elected children."

Presbyterian Continuist · Nov 16, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
Why not include 5 possible scenarios then, instead of one specific one?

To me it doesn't meet people's needs if we act like their is only one doctrine that may have an issue when it could be any Christian. It's putting a focus on a very small number of believers instead of stating it as a common problem across any and all denominations. It's minimizing a very large issue.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter.

God bless you.

Only those who are truly converted to Christ are saved. It is not automatic on a person professing Christianity and attending church. It is a work in the person's heart by the Holy Spirit and it is under some pretty strict conditions. That is how narrow the way through Christ is. If just accepting Christ and adopting religion was the way, then the Scripture would be, "The way to salvation is very broad and few there be that miss it!"

Neogaia777 · Nov 16, 2018

DeeR. said:
No, it is not ludicrous at all. We have all believed and thought incorrectly who have believed. We are taught to instruct gently and be prepared to give an answer for what we believe. He obviously believes this so he is not intentionally trying to cause trouble. Be gentle.
We are told in scripture that David Abraham and all of those who believed God were credited with righteousness. When David committed murder & adultery God disciplined him as a child not as an unbeliever who did not know Him. He did not kick David out of the family even for that. No good father sets a condition that you are my child only when you do right & I disown you when you do wrong, God especially. He is able to do even more than we can because He called chose us and gave us His promise even while we were sinners. He has known all the sins we will still yet commit even when He sealed us & promised to finish His work in us completely and lose none of those who are His. If we are truly in Him we will Remain until the end because He has promised and will do it. Thanks Be to God our Father.

I do no think we can be the judges of another's, or whether one another is, or is at a point of being a "finished work" though, cause God's idea of that, especially for each one of us each individually, may be very different from ours, or our own... even, or maybe even, in what we might think of or for ourselves in that way or capacity as well...

Great Post!

Really enjoying these...

God Bless!

ToBeLoved · Nov 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
Only those who are truly converted to Christ are saved. It is not automatic on a person professing Christianity and attending church. It is a work in the person's heart by the Holy Spirit and it is under some pretty strict conditions. That is how narrow the way through Christ is. If just accepting Christ and adopting religion was the way, then the Scripture would be, "The way to salvation is very broad and few there be that miss it!"

God bless you Oscar, nice seeing you around again.

Presbyterian Continuist · Nov 16, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
God bless you Oscar, nice seeing you around again.

I pop up every now and again when there are issues worth responding to. If I can keep one soul out of hell through the things I say about true conversion, then I would rejoice.

It would be an awful shock for someone who has been faithful to their religion all theirs lives to appear at the gates of heaven and find them locked against them because they never got truly converted. We all have to search our hearts to makes sure that there is nothing that might keep us from getting there safely. That's why sin makes me feel very nervous, and I talk to God about my sins all the time so there are no surprises when I get to the judgment.

Neogaia777 · Nov 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
We do not get the cart before the horse in the area of election and predestination. What we do is to study and believe all the promises of God that tell us that if we come to Jesus and believe in Him, and be converted, we will be saved. We can tell God, "Whatever are the mysteries of Your decrees in Heaven, I believe your promises that if I come to Jesus and believe in Him, I will be truly converted and saved, then I will truly believe that I am one of your elected children."

We do the things we do in being and with being one of his, ect, seeming like it is because we are choosing it or are choosing to, but, I bet nearly all of you on here can agree that we all feel or have felt or do feel that/it or a strong pull, or feel very "compelled" with a very strong compulsion, that is nigh irresistible, (and unavoidable, if you are one of His)...

It seems like were choosing, but really it is him, though that drawing/compulsion/pull/drive/zeal/(healthy) ambition, ect, (Godly, Godlike desire) I don't think there are any who can stop or change the express will of God in any of his choosing's or in choosing the ones he chose... Those ones are His, always were His, and will always be His... We Just have no way to tell or judge with one another, and maybe even our own selves, IDK...? And that might be being or is done or is being done on purpose maybe, but if it is, I think it is to "protect us" in the end...

Good Post...

God Bless!

DeeR. · Nov 16, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
It is not specific to OSAS. That can be anyone no matter what their viewpoint on any number of beliefs. That has nothing to do with OSAS.

Why even include that. Seems a little sketchy

Neogaia777 said:
I do no think we can be the judges of another's, or whether one another is, or is at a point of being a "finished work" though, cause God's idea of that, especially for each one of us each individually, may be very different from ours, or our own... even, or maybe even, in what we might think of or for ourselves in that way or capacity as well...

Great Post!

Really enjoying these...

God Bless!

Not sure exactly what you are saying. As to judging one another we are called to do judge one another's words and deeds with named Christians/church as 1 Corinth 5 says, I am not sure what is meant by judging one another? As to the finished work that is at the end of all things after the final judgement though. Glad you like the post.

DeeR. · Nov 16, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
We do the things we do in being and with being one of his, ect, seeming like it is because we are choosing it or are choosing to, but, I bet nearly all of you on here can agree that we all feel or have felt or do feel that/it or a strong pull, or feel very "compelled" with a very strong compulsion, that is nigh irresistible, (and unavoidable, if you are one of His)...

It seems like were choosing, but really it is him, though that drawing/compulsion/pull/drive/zeal/(healthy) ambition, ect, (Godly, Godlike desire) I don't think there are any who can stop or change the express will of God in any of his choosing's or in choosing the ones he chose... Those ones are His, always were His, and will always be His... We Just have no way to tell or judge with one another, and maybe even our own selves, IDK...? And that might be being or is done or is being done on purpose maybe, but if it is, I think it is to "protect us" in the end...

Good Post...

God Bless!

It is All from God, however, do not forget he has made us Coworkers and participants with Him. He has not created us to be subjects , but to share and rule with Him and Be One with him even as Jesus the Christ. He is the source but we must agree and receive. We are being joined in a marriage willingly and will do as Jesus has done and is doing through choice and will agreement and participant.

Neogaia777 · Nov 16, 2018

DeeR. said:
It is All from God, however, do not forget he has made us Coworkers and participants with Him. He has not created us to be subjects , but to share and rule with Him and Be One with him even as Jesus the Christ. He is the source but we must agree and receive. We are being joined in a marriage willingly and will do as Jesus has done and is doing through choice and will agreement and participant.

Thanks Man, but, for me, I don't think I can resist His Pull or his drawing me, maybe sometimes I'm even trying to resist a bit, but I know in the end it will be very futile...

The flow, and being in the flow of it/Him, is too good and too awesome and too irresistible to resist also...

To be flowing and moving as One... Truly amazing... Oh, and I don't have and experience it "all the time" but think if you could...? If we could make our abode there and abide there (forever)...?

Thank You!

God Bless!

Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved? (See 1 John 1:9)

Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved?

Yes, confession of sin and a belief in Jesus are the only things required to maintain our salvation.

Yes, but we also have to strive to live holy, but nobody can stop sinning in this life.

Yes, but we also have to overcome grievous sin (like hate, lying, lusting, etc.) and walk holy.

Yes (Other - please explain).

No, confession of sin is dealing only with a loss of fellowship (and not salvation).

No, (Other - please explain).

I don't know.

Neither (Please explain).

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