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God's creation Timeline refutes evolution
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How long is a Day/Age to God?
Jesus said, 2Co 6:2 (For He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured (helped) thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
The day of salvation began when Jesus made the land creatures from the dust of the ground and Adam named them. Genesis 2:19 The last creature made was Eve. Genesis 2:22 The day of salvation ends when our Universe is burned 2 Peter 3:10 which is 1,000 years after Jesus returns at Armageddon. We know that Adam and Eve were created in God's Image (born again Spiritually) AFTER Cain killed Abel Genesis 5:1-2 which is today, on the present day of salvation, the 6th Day.
Can anyone tell us how long ago, in man's years, were the first common ancestors made? That's how long a Day is to God, when you add to the past figure, the time in the future when Jesus returns and reigns here for a thousand years. It's much more than ancient people thought. Amen?
Jesus said, 2Co 6:2 (For He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured (helped) thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
The day of salvation began when Jesus made the land creatures from the dust of the ground and Adam named them. Genesis 2:19 The last creature made was Eve. Genesis 2:22 The day of salvation ends when our Universe is burned 2 Peter 3:10 which is 1,000 years after Jesus returns at Armageddon. We know that Adam and Eve were created in God's Image (born again Spiritually) AFTER Cain killed Abel Genesis 5:1-2 which is today, on the present day of salvation, the 6th Day.
Can anyone tell us how long ago, in man's years, were the first common ancestors made? That's how long a Day is to God, when you add to the past figure, the time in the future when Jesus returns and reigns here for a thousand years. It's much more than ancient people thought. Amen?
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After time and prayer about your 6 Day teaching, I am not a supporter.
But still much a brother in Christ with you. Seeking to keep a bond of Holy Spirit granted Peace and Love. Doctrines or teachings should not divide the Body or love between brethren.
I well understood II Peter 3:8 over 35 years ago, and its many applications in the Scripture: As above you list Day of Salvation; but included like in Joel and many other places Day of the Lord; etc. Yes, many years ago well understood.
As far as Genesis 1 and 2, I leave such open to others, in what their faith sees. I hold brethren in good standing if not literal 6 days, since such Scriptures are hard to interpret.
Thank you very much for answering my questions of your 6 Days teaching. There are some physical and Scriptural inconsistencies that keep me from being in agreement.
May love continue above all.
May God Bless our relationship.
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Could you answer a couple of questions? In your view:
When, in the past did mankind have dominion over Angels 1Co 6:3 and every other living creature like mosquitoes as Genesis 1:28 plainly states?
When, in the past were ALL living creatures, including Lions and Bears, Isaiah 11:7 vegetarians as Genesis 1:30 plainly states.
Sorry, but no one can answer the above questions since the above events, at the end of the present 6th Day/Age, happen AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon. Genesis 1:28-31 is prophecy of events FUTURE to our time. Amen?
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Amen, IF you only read this verse BUT with Scripture, you must have two or more witnesses to confirm your position. In the case of all living creatures being changed into vegetarians, such an event has never happened, in the past. The details of the fulfillment of this prophecy are found in Isaiah 11:7 when Bears are changed and Lions eat straw like the Ox. This is confirmed in Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock:
Here is the sequence of events:
1. We still live at Genesis 1:27 because God is still creating new Christians, today.
2. Humans will have dominion over every living creature including Angels 1Co 6:3 mosquitoes and viruses AFTER Jesus returns. Genesis 1:28
3. Jesus will change all living creatures, including Lions, into vegetarians after He returns. Genesis 1:30 and Isaiah 11:7
4. The entire creation is made perfect when our cosmos is burned 2 Peter 3:10 and death is destroyed. 1Co 15:26
5. Then and only then will the perfect God say, It is very good. Genesis 1:31
All the above events are future and happen at the end of the present 6th Day/Age.
Thanks for confirming that this verse is NOT speaking of this happening already. When Jesus returns, we can eat of EVERY green herb for food. God Bless you
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, saith the LORD.
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Which is two more than you have. So what's the problem?
Meaning they never were -- we are in agreement.
Except, as you just said, this prophecy has not been fulfilled and any time in the past. What did or didn't happen in the past has no impact on what might happen in the future.
None of which is contingent in any way on what "day" you claim (with no witnesses whatsoever) it is.
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The changing of ALL creatures into vegetarians happens AFTER Jesus returns at the end of the present 6th Day. What YEC have been preaching by FAITH only, is True. In 6 of God's Days/Ages, He makes a perfect physical Heaven and fills it with His perfect children. Then He rests or ceases to create since His creation is finished, brought to perfection and present on the future 7th Day, which has NO ending, since it's Eternity.
That's the story which is actually written in Genesis. We came into this reality at the end of the present 6th Day, just before Jesus returns at the Rapture. I can hardly wait to fly up to meet Him. 1Th 4:17 How bout you?
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The prophecy is still every bit as valid even without your creative interpretation of what "day" it is... it seems superfluous.
That's your opinion of Genesis, but you have no witnesses to its truth -- which I do believe is two short of the two you claim is required for such things...
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I wish you a long life so that you will be able to see what I've told you come into being. As your doubt turns to belief, remember that it's all written in Genesis. It's proof of the literal God to the doubting Thomas's of the last generation of Earth.
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No back and forth exchange needed, my friend. Live your faith. And let Peace and Love rule.
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Oh about the same time we switched from being vegetarians to omnivores....
Genesis 9:3
Man was strictly vegetarian before the flood, just as all the animals were.... And at the end all will go back to being vegetarians as was the original plan.....
Revelation 22:2-3
Also let's be clear that angels are not living creatures. We were never given dominion over them, but will simply judge them at the end times.
1 Corinthians 6:3
Don't confuse being given authority to judge them as always having had dominion over them....
Not once in the Bible has anyone ever been able to command an angel to do anything...
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Aman:>>When, in the past did mankind have dominion over Angels 1Co 6:3 and every other living creature like mosquitoes as Genesis 1:28 plainly states?
Amen...and it happens at the end of the present 6th Day/Age Genesis 1:30 after Jesus returns at the Rapture. Isaiah gives the details of this FUTURE event in Chapter 11. That's where you see the prophecy that ALL living creatures become vegetarians, including Lions and Bears and when Jesus rules and reigns for a thousand years.
The timeline also agrees with the time when Noah arrived on planet Earth, which was 11k years ago, in man's time. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
God's Truth is the Truth in every way.
Amen...and it happens at the end of the present 6th Day/Age Genesis 1:30 after Jesus returns at the Rapture. Isaiah gives the details of this FUTURE event in Chapter 11. That's where you see the prophecy that ALL living creatures become vegetarians, including Lions and Bears and when Jesus rules and reigns for a thousand years.
The timeline also agrees with the time when Noah arrived on planet Earth, which was 11k years ago, in man's time. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
God's Truth is the Truth in every way.
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A "timeline' that is repeated imagination and errors.
Genesis creation narrative - note the lack of dates and that the Hebrew is literally days. The Hebrew for day includes a period of time but elsewhere in the Bible a number + day = literally a day. "And there was evening and there was morning" + "one day"/"a second day"/"a third day", etc. Emphasized by evening and morning of a literal day.
Numbers seemingly pulled out of nowhere so:
Where in Scripture, science or history is a time before the first day given a date of 23 billion years ago, Aman777?
What happened to the 1st day of Genesis and its date, Aman777?
Where in Scripture, science or history is the 2nd day of Genesis given a date of 17 Billion years ago, Aman777?
On Day 3, Aman777 has the Big Bang where the universe is filled with an immensely hot and dense plasma of quarks and gluons that destroys everything inside it. There are not even atoms
! It takes 380,000 years before the universe cools enough for ions and electrons to combine to form neutral atoms. He has been told this physical fact several times.Still misrepresents Genesis 1:21 which also has great sea-monsters and winged fowl which are not the proto-bacteria which were the Universal Common Ancestor. There were no birds or multi-celled animals 3.77 billion years ago.
!"21 And God created the great sea-monsters, and every living creature that creepeth, wherewith the waters swarmed, after its kind, and every winged fowl after its kind; and God saw that it was good."
Back to his obvious "5-6 Million years ago Prehistoric man diverges from Chimps" error.
Homo sapiens ("Prehistoric man") has existed for ~315,000 years. We and chimpanzees have a common ancestor that is not us and not chimpanzees.
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The beginning of the present universe was on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4
Today is the end of 6th Day since God is still creating Adam/mankind Spiritually. Genesis 1:27 We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Genesis 1:28 until Jesus returns.
Since each of God's Days/Ages (Yowm-period of time) is some 4.5 Billion years in length in man's time, Genesis reveals that there was some 9 Billion years, in man's time, BEFORE the beginning of our Universe.
It's 4.5 Billion years between the Big Bang and the 1st Day, when Jesus came into the physical world, give or take a few hundred thousand years. What is your dating?
On Day 3, Aman777 has the Big Bang where the universe is filled with an immensely hot and dense plasma of quarks and gluons that destroys everything inside it. There are not even atoms
I have no disagreement with that since I post that it was some 180 million years from the big bang until the first stars lit up. Then it was another 4.5 Billion years before our Solar System formed. Do you get tired of always losing?
Still misrepresents Genesis 1:21 which also has great sea-monsters and winged fowl which are not the proto-bacteria which were the Universal Common Ancestor. There were no birds or multi-celled animals 3.77 billion years ago.
"21 And God created the great sea-monsters, and every living creature that creepeth, wherewith the waters swarmed, after its kind, and every winged fowl after its kind; and God saw that it was good."
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This seems to be an under-estimate; from what I have read, I think that the first stars lit up about 500 million years after the big bang. Have you got a source for your statement?
This is definitely wrong. The big bang was 13.80 billion years ago. By your estimate the first stars lit up about 13.62 billion years ago. The oldest known material in the solar system is 4568 million years old, so the interval between the first stars and the origin of the solar system is about 9.05 billion years.
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Sure. Astronomers May Have Found the First Stars Born After the Big Bang
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/.../first-stars-universe-big-bang-edges-space-scie.. Feb 28, 2018 - Now, scientists peering back into deep time suggest that the earliest stars didn't turn on until about 180 million years after the big bang,
Amen, our Solar System did not form until some 9 billion years AFTER the first Stars lit up 13.8 billion years ago.
https://www.space.com › Skywatching Jun 16, 2017 - The universe was born with the Big Bang as an unimaginably hot, dense point. ... During this period, the universe doubled in size at least 90 times, ... A little after 9 billion years after the Big Bang, our solar system was born.
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