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With the recent massacre of Jews on Sabbath, I saw the stones placed at their markers and remembered the same thing being shown with the real footage at the very end of Schindlers List, and never learned why this is done, both history and tradition and any readings welcome, thank you
 

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I withdraw my previous post. I genuinely thought I was relaying correct information about Jewish practice. (And I do remember hearing a statement, back when the movie came out, because it stuck with me.) But the Internet does not agree with my memory; I'm seeing rabbis giving a variety of reasons for the stones, none of which are the reason I heard. Thus, I yield to the wisdom of the Jewish participants in this forum.
 
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Origins of Leaving A Visitation Stone

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I like the stones concept....when do you place the stones during the funeral, and do you choose specially marked stones?

No one seems to have answered this. Stones are placed when you visit the grave and you can choose whatever stones you like - most people place medium sized stones, preferably clean ones :)
 
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No one seems to have answered this. Stones are placed when you visit the grave and you can choose whatever stones you like - most people place medium sized stones, preferably clean ones :)

My dad liked to fish in the White River in Arkansas so every time I go down there I get some river rocks.
 
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The Practice Of Visitation Stones For Their Future Resurrection.

(no one seems to have yet sufficiently exhausted all the possible reasons)
The origin of this custom began long ago, when the deceased was not placed in a casket, but rather the body was prepared, washed, and wrapped in a burial shroud, or for a male, in his tallis (prayer shawl). Then the body would be placed in the ground, covered with dirt and then large stones would be placed atop the gravesite, preventing wild animals from digging up the remains.

The stones roughly from a pebble size to golf ball size might be obtained by the visitor beforehand from someplace of significance to the visitor or sometimes even provided by the cemetery itself (particularly during Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur). All of the following eight possibilities either individually or in multiplicity at one time or another were the emotional and logical reasoning that at some future time the body is resurrected (Matthew 27:52-53) ...

(1) Depending upon your interpretation and beliefs, the Talmud (the written compendium of Jewish oral tradition) can suggest that the human soul remains in the grave with the body after death -- possibly for a few days, a week, a year, or until the final resurrection and judgment. Thus, mourners might have originally placed stones on the graves of loved ones in order to prevent souls from leaving their burial spots.

(2) Whereas the previous explanation was intended to keep something in, another theory suggests that people wanted to keep something out. Placing pebbles and rocks on Jewish graves might have prevented evil spirits and demons from entering burial sites and taking possession of human souls, according to superstition.

(3) The Bible relates the story of God commanding Joshua to create a memorial in Jordan comprising 12 stones that would represent the "children of Israel for ever." Thus, this symbolic stone representation of the people of Israel might have been echoed later in the practice of leaving pebbles and rocks on the headstones of the dead.

(4) A nomadic people, visitors to Jewish gravesites might have originally left stones to denote their visit and pay homage to the deceased simply because flowers and plants were not available. Because of the arid conditions prevalent in rocky or desert regions, visitors might have been forced to use whatever materials were at hand.

(5) Along those same lines, burying the deceased in rocky or desert areas often resulted in shallow graves that required covering the deceased with stones and rocks in order to complete the burial and/or to prevent predation. (Heaps of stone like this gave rise to the modern English word "cairn.") Thus, it is entirely possible that the use of visitor stones on Jewish graves resulted from the practice of "tidying up" gravesites by adding/replacing rocks and stones in order to maintain a burial spot.

(6) Stones—particularly pebbles—were often used in ancient times as a method of counting, including by shepherds trying to keep track of their flocks, who would keep the appropriate number of stones in a pouch/sling or strung on a string. Therefore, the ancient Judaic practice of leaving a visiting stone on the headstone or gravesite of a deceased loved one might have evolved from a simple system of counting the number of visitors the deceased received.

(7) Another theory suggests that Jewish priests could become ritually impure by contacting a deceased individual—whether directly or by proximity. By using stones and rocks to mark a gravesite, therefore, visitor stones could have served as a warning to Jewish priests not to approach too closely.

(8) Perhaps the most profound (possible) origin of the custom of placing pebbles, stones and small rocks on Jewish graves involves the fact that flowers, plants, foodstuffs and other organic materials quickly wither or decompose, evoking the transitory nature of life. On the other hand, a pebble, stone or rock symbolizes the lasting permanence and legacy of the deceased in the hearts and minds of survivors. This might explain the adoption of leaving visitor stones on tombstones and gravesites by those outside of the Jewish faith, who view this tradition as an effective method of affirming their emotional and spiritual bond with a loved one despite their separation by death.​

The number eight in the Holy Word of G-D signifies Resurrection and Regeneration of G-D'S Chosen People. It is the number of a new beginning that also represents infinity.
 
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Could be related to the myth of the Dybbuk (stones prevent it from rising up) and the (closely related) reality of people buried too early.
This is part of the origin for the Shiva (vigil over the corpse) as well.
Things that were once pragmatically-motivated gradually become ceremonial.
 
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The Dybbuk is Ashkenazi in origin, Eastern European, Poland, Germany Lithuania, etc. Sephardi Jews also place stones on graves and we don’t do it because of superstitious Eastern European Medieval Folktales.
 
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The Dybbuk is Ashkenazi in origin, Eastern European, Poland, Germany Lithuania, etc. Sephardi Jews also place stones on graves and we don’t do it because of superstitious Eastern European Medieval Folktales.

Mentioning the Dybbuk is just a way of talking about the fact that people are buried prematurely. I see the Dybbuk myth, and this practice, as potentially cognate (coming from the same origin) rather than one coming from the other.

But I like the idea of it having its origins in the nomadic practice mentioned by AbbaLove.
 
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