The Widow's two small coins in Mark

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Mark 12:41-44.

My minister recently preached on this passage, about the widow giving her two small coins to the Temple, even though it was almost all she had. His interpretation was quite different though.

He pointed out that the preceding passage Jesus condemned false religious leaders for abusing widows and impoverishing them, while pretending to be pious and make long public prayers. In Mark 7, Jesus also condemns impoverishing parents for supposed religious duties, as demanded by the Pharisees.

Seen in this light, rather than laudatory of her actions, is this not an example of the consequence of false piety? Of a woman driven to destitution by the Temple system? Is it not further condemnation of the Letter rather than Spirit of the Law?

I always understood it in light of Jesus' promise that God will look after you (like the swallows in the field) and thus to give freely (as per 2 Corinthians 9). This interpretation seems contextually quite solid in Mark though, encouraging temperance perhaps and condemning further hypocrisy in the religious.

I'd love some others' perspective on this.
 

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"Of a woman driven to destitution by the Temple system?"

You'd need to assume she was blindly following a Temple system for her faith and not God, plus it also drove her to destitution. She could of just as likely been aware of the understanding Peter told Ananias in Acts of the Apostles 5:4. Her money belonged to her and it's up to her how she decides to spend it. Also as likely, despite her financial status, she was completely aware that God does provide for her. Matthew 6:26

What we do know about that Temple, it belonged to God and it also was being mismanaged.

Not having heard the entirety of what your minister preached and just on the basis of what you said, I believe it's possible he was reading something between the lines of scripture that can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
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...Seen in this light, rather than laudatory of her actions, is this not an example of the consequence of false piety? Of a woman driven to destitution by the Temple system? Is it not further condemnation of the Letter rather than Spirit of the Law?
But she offered those two coins out of her own free-will, not because the Law demanded it. Did not the Law demand only 1/10? Plus, Christ seems to praise her action not find fault with it. It reflects what the widow of Zarephath did to Elijah the prophet. Only her two coins were bread and water. As for the spirit hidden behind the letter allow me to quote St Maximus:

… God is pleased with anything which is genuinely offered from the soul to the best of its ability even if this seems small in comparison with great things. He did not reject the widow who offered her two small coins and whatever the widow and her two coins signified. It could be the soul widowed from wickedness which has forsaken the old law as a husband but is not yet worthy of sublime union with the Word of God, but yet offers as a pledge the coins of reason and conduct in due proportion; or else faith and good conscience, or habit and exercise in good things, or contemplation and activity corresponding to them, or knowledge and virtue in proportion, or means which are slightly higher, I mean those in the natural and the written law. When the soul has attained these it gives them up in surpassing and abandoning them as all it has to live on, wishing only to be united to the Word of God. And it accepts to be widowed of violent modes and usages and customs according to nature and law as one becomes widowed of a spouse. Or the meaning could be hinting by means of the letter in which the story is told at something else which is more spiritual than these, understandable only to those who are pure of mind. For everything which seems great to men in virtue is small when compared to the reason which is initiated in theology. But even though they are small of ordinary material and of little worth they still bear just as much as gold coins, the very precious material that the rich offer: the same royal stamp besides the intention of her who offers it wholeheartedly. - "The Church's Mystagogy"
 
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Mark 12:41-44.

My minister recently preached on this passage, about the widow giving her two small coins to the Temple, even though it was almost all she had. His interpretation was quite different though.

He pointed out that the preceding passage Jesus condemned false religious leaders for abusing widows and impoverishing them, while pretending to be pious and make long public prayers. In Mark 7, Jesus also condemns impoverishing parents for supposed religious duties, as demanded by the Pharisees.

Seen in this light, rather than laudatory of her actions, is this not an example of the consequence of false piety? Of a woman driven to destitution by the Temple system? Is it not further condemnation of the Letter rather than Spirit of the Law?

I always understood it in light of Jesus' promise that God will look after you (like the swallows in the field) and thus to give freely (as per 2 Corinthians 9). This interpretation seems contextually quite solid in Mark though, encouraging temperance perhaps and condemning further hypocrisy in the religious.

I'd love some others' perspective on this.

It would seem the teaching was mainly to show the religious leaders their hypocrisy. However, not to say other important teachings imbedded in there as well. It is amazing how the Word of God coveys so many truths in so many ways.

Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

God Bless.
 
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Mark 12:41-44.

My minister recently preached on this passage, about the widow giving her two small coins to the Temple, even though it was almost all she had. His interpretation was quite different though.

He pointed out that the preceding passage Jesus condemned false religious leaders for abusing widows and impoverishing them, while pretending to be pious and make long public prayers. In Mark 7, Jesus also condemns impoverishing parents for supposed religious duties, as demanded by the Pharisees.

Seen in this light, rather than laudatory of her actions, is this not an example of the consequence of false piety? Of a woman driven to destitution by the Temple system? Is it not further condemnation of the Letter rather than Spirit of the Law?

That's an interesting take I hadn't considered. It could certainly seem to follow from 12:38-30 where the scribes are devouring the money of widows.

I wonder if the "treasury" (the place where she is putting money) in vs 41 is connected with temple taxes in 12:13-17? Are these the same funds being used to pay the tribute tax to Rome? It seems they might be... I take the question about taxes to Caesar in 12:13-17 to be Jesus essentially saying not to pay the tax. I wonder if this would go along with condemnation of a system that devours widow's money?
 
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I take the question about taxes to Caesar in 12:13-17 to be Jesus essentially saying not to pay the tax. ?

You have got to be the only person in the world who interprets that verse that way, particularly the previous verses indicating that it was set up as a trap.
 
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You have got to be the only person in the world who interprets that verse that way, particularly the previous verses indicating that it was set up as a trap.

I don't think I'm the only one, though I would have to find a citation to give more. If I have time later I'll try to find some and post here.

It seems that some who heard him also understood him to be essentially saying not to pay the tribute (Luke 23:2). I think it's fairly easy to conclude this in light of the Law:

Deut 10:14 "Behold, to the LORD your God belong heaven and the highest heavens, the earth and all that is in it.​

So in light of the Law, what belongs to God? Everything. So what belongs to Caesar? Nothing. Ok, then give to Caesar what is Caesars - nothing.

There's also an aspect of having a graven image of Caesar the "divine Augustus" in the temple. Since they have Caesar's image in the temple, he could also be telling his challengers something along the lines of giving Caesar the temple if it's really his or give it to God if it's really God's. I think this understanding is just as radical though as it would look Jesus avoids the question a little and instead ramps up the rhetoric by calling for a revolt. Give God the temple, don't give it to Caesar (seems the funds in the temple would be included).

In any case, the implication was not to pay tribute to Rome.

This would seem to go well with the case that Jesus is condemning a system that devours all the widow has just so they can fork over tribute to Rome.
 
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That's an interesting take I hadn't considered. It could certainly seem to follow from 12:38-30 where the scribes are devouring the money of widows.

I wonder if the "treasury" (the place where she is putting money) in vs 41 is connected with temple taxes in 12:13-17? Are these the same funds being used to pay the tribute tax to Rome? It seems they might be... I take the question about taxes to Caesar in 12:13-17 to be Jesus essentially saying not to pay the tax. I wonder if this would go along with condemnation of a system that devours widow's money?
Mark 12:13-17 is referring to the Imperial tax. This was a secular tax independant of Temple taxes. This was the normal taxes subject peoples paid to the Roman state, re-evaluated periodically province by province (the Indiction).

The Temple tax was a separate tax Jews paid to the Jerusalem temple for its upkeep. This did not go to Rome, although Roman governors had been known to seize it on occasion for special works - Pilate for instance, did so to help pay for an aquaduct to Jerusalem, prompting Jewish rioting. The Romans often used Temples as treasuries and took money from them in extremis, so they did not understand Jewish sensibilities that this would be sacrilegious. So the widow's coins are unlikely to go to Rome in most instances.

After the First Revolt, the Romans forced the Jews to pay the Temple Tax to the Romans directly as a punishment - seeing that the Temple had been destroyed. This became the Fiscus Iudaicus, that bred much resentment later.

I don't think I'm the only one, though I would have to find a citation to give more. If I have time later I'll try to find some and post here.

It seems that some who heard him also understood him to be essentially saying not to pay the tribute (Luke 23:2). I think it's fairly easy to conclude this in light of the Law:

Deut 10:14 "Behold, to the LORD your God belong heaven and the highest heavens, the earth and all that is in it.​

So in light of the Law, what belongs to God? Everything. So what belongs to Caesar? Nothing. Ok, then give to Caesar what is Caesars - nothing.

There's also an aspect of having a graven image of Caesar the "divine Augustus" in the temple. Since they have Caesar's image in the temple, he could also be telling his challengers something along the lines of giving Caesar the temple if it's really his or give it to God if it's really God's. I think this understanding is just as radical though as it would look Jesus avoids the question a little and instead ramps up the rhetoric by calling for a revolt. Give God the temple, don't give it to Caesar (seems the funds in the temple would be included).

In any case, the implication was not to pay tribute to Rome.

This would seem to go well with the case that Jesus is condemning a system that devours all the widow has just so they can fork over tribute to Rome.
Interesting. I can see the point you are making. I just need to point out that by the time of Jesus' ministry, the coin probably portrayed the current Caesar - so it would be Tiberius, not the divine Augustus.

The Romans didn't worship Emperors while alive. Tiberius himself rejected the title Augustus on his accession, with its implications of holy otherness, which is why it took much longer for this to become a normal Imperial title (as happened quite quickly for the cognomen Caesar). Augustus was only deified by the senate after his death, as Julius Caesar had been as well. During his life, he did associate himself with the gods in Temples of Roma et Augustus for provincials, muddying the waters a bit - classic Augustus, hiding things in shadows, allowing provincials used to god-kings to worship him surreptitiously without offending Roman sensibilities. He was very shrewd. Caligula and Nero would declare themselves gods while alive, but they were tyrants and megalomaniacs. Claudius allowed a limited worship of himself in Britain along similar lines as Augustus, but this was considered highly scandalous.
Worship of the Genius of the Emperor was common though, a sort of guardian deity/animating principle thing, to which the 'sacrifices to the Emperor' were made, but this is separate to the man himself.

Anyway, so it would be a graven image on the coin, but not a divine one. Perhaps it was an old coin of Augustus, but with currency re-issues this would be unlikely I think.

There is an old story that there were moneychangers in the Temple so that the Temple tax could be paid in a coin without the Emperor on it, to prevent having a divine graven image on the coinage. This is mistaken though, as the Temple tax was paid in the Tyrian Tetradrachm, which portrayed Melqart - an actual other god. It was more likely to do with the higher silver content in the Tyrian Tetradracm than the conventional Roman sestertius. During the Jewish Revolt, this was changed to a Jewish minted Shekel on account of the prohibition of graven images.

For these reasons, I do not think the passage can be connected with Rendering unto Caesar, though I find your interpretation thereof intriguing too. It does go against Jesus telling Pilate his authority is ultimately granted by God as well, so personally I'd still opt for the traditional interpretation thereof.
 
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Mark 12:13-17 is referring to the Imperial tax. This was a secular tax independant of Temple taxes. This was the normal taxes subject peoples paid to the Roman state, re-evaluated periodically province by province (the Indiction).

In addition, Jesus made a point of connecting image with dedication. The image of Caesar on Caesar's coins indicated to whom the coin was dedicated.

Jesus' Pharisee opponents clearly understood and believed that they themselves bore the image of God, and that was Jesus' real point.
 
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Interesting. I can see the point you are making. I just need to point out that by the time of Jesus' ministry, the coin probably portrayed the current Caesar - so it would be Tiberius, not the divine Augustus.

It's a minor point, but the inscription on Tiberius' Tribute Penny read, "Tiberius Caesar, son of the Divine Augustus"

Pictures: Forum Ancient Coins

Maybe a point against connecting the widow's money to the tribute tax is that her offering is in lepta not denarii, as was the coin shown to Jesus in the passage.

But a point for is that the temple treasury where the woman placed her lepta was used to fund Roman desires (Josephus, War 2.9.4 (see also Mark 7:11-12), 2.14.6, 6.8.3) which probably would have included the tribute tax (Ant 14.10.5). And the temple treasury was supposed to be "corban" (a gift for God), so if it's being used to pay tribute to Rome, then, give to Caesar what's his and give to God what's God's... Ie, give Caesar nothing from the temple treasury
 
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It's a minor point, but the inscription on Tiberius' Tribute Penny read, "Tiberius Caesar, son of the Divine Augustus"

Pictures: Forum Ancient Coins

Maybe a point against connecting the widow's money to the tribute tax is that her offering is in lepta not denarii, as was the coin shown to Jesus in the passage.

But a point for is that the temple treasury where the woman placed her lepta was used to fund Roman desires (Josephus, War 2.9.4 (see also Mark 7:11-12), 2.14.6, 6.8.3) which probably would have included the tribute tax (Ant 14.10.5). And the temple treasury was supposed to be "corban" (a gift for God), so if it's being used to pay tribute to Rome, then, give to Caesar what's his and give to God what's God's... Ie, give Caesar nothing from the temple treasury
As I said above, the Temple treasury was on occasion taken by Roman governors for public works - to Jewish horror - but this did not occur frequently, and usually incited fierce opposition. So the assumption you are making here is that this would have to have occured around such an event. Pilate seems to have only done so once for an Aquaduct, for instance. These rare instances are the citations from Josephus you cited. The accounts for Pilate differ between Antiquities and Wars though, so the account is a bit garbled. It is possible that there were separate parts of the treasury, one sacrosant for sacrifices and one not. The Talmud reports something along this line, where money was used to build a bridge in the Kidron valley. Pilate likely took from the sacrosant treasury, not aware of the difference, but potentially this may be an after the fact slur of sacrilege made. He certainly seemed not to have expected the ire it elicited.

This remains completely unrelated to the Imperial taxes however. This was never paid from the Temple tax. The Romans did tax farming in Judaea. This means a company of Equestrians or private citizens would bid for the rights to collect taxes for an area. The highest bid then were given the contract and paid the State that value in full. They were termed Publicani. These then recouped the cost by collecting taxes due in the province, making profits above their bid or losing money if they collected less. Periodically the province was then re-assessed and the contract to collect tax bid for once again.
No Publicani could touch the Temple tax even if they wanted to.
 
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But a point for is that the temple treasury where the woman placed her lepta was used to fund Roman desires (Josephus, War 2.9.4 (see also Mark 7:11-12), 2.14.6, 6.8.3) which probably would have included the tribute tax (Ant 14.10.5). And the temple treasury was supposed to be "corban" (a gift for God), so if it's being used to pay tribute to Rome, then, give to Caesar what's his and give to God what's God's... Ie, give Caesar nothing from the temple treasury

But all that was "'way above the pay grade" of the widow. She wasn't morally responsible for what happened to the money after she made her offering, and Jesus was not saying that she should not have made her offering. He was talking about the state of her heart in giving what she gave.
 
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But all that was "'way above the pay grade" of the widow. She wasn't morally responsible for what happened to the money after she made her offering, and Jesus was not saying that she should not have made her offering.

Agree.
 
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