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jesus said these signs will follow those that beleive .they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover . they shall speak in other tongues etc .
is the lord jesus guilty of false doctrine to be repented of.?

i say the lord Jesus said it . i believe him . are you saying i should repent of believing him ?
 
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jesus healed the sick .. commended his diciples to do the same .. and then commanded them to teach more disciples( from ALL nations ) to do the same . if you cant put it all together i guess its as anther suggested .. spiritual constipation

You said Jesus commanded "us" to heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons. Where?
 
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There are people filled and God doing miracles in their churches, but you see no all denominations agree with them, they don't get recognized for some reason, but things still happen, christians are filled, some get healed, demons are cast out, God reveals problems and other things, some ministers can give prophecies, giving you details of your life that is not possible for them to know otherwise. And more! because i'm not in touch with the big things God is doing everywhere, but just difaming these churches, and not believing anything like these happen today or worse putting all of that saying is from the devil is not doing any good you see.
Im looking at the big picture here. I have already explained that if the Churches cant agree then this is evidence that they are not following the Spirit because the Spirit would not teach us confusion and division. How can one church have such diverse doctrine? Protestants and Catholics are nothing alike so how can they both be Spirit filled?
 
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jesus said these signs will follow those that beleive .they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover . they shall speak in other tongues etc .
is the lord jesus guilty of false doctrine to be repented of.?

i say the lord Jesus said it . i believe him . are you saying i should repent of believing him ?
He also said beware of false teachers. Where are these false teachers? Which church?
 
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One thing though, you should keep the door open for the idea of the annointing, if you don't like it somehow, it can happen our ideas and experiences can mislead to think something is not in a way, but it actually is, i know a preacher who preachs about the annointing and he is legit, i have 1st hand experience with him, some things can appear strange to us or that they are not from God, but for other people those things are a reality.
sorry youve misunderstood ... I already have the anointing ...it doesn't come and go its not power in itself .its a term to describe pouring or smearing oil to designate that a person has been placed permanently in a position of authority (in this case spiritual ). any one who has been baptised in the holy Spirit has recieved the anointing of God giving them spiritual authrotiy to be his witness . to heal the sick preach the gospel drive out devils baptise people and disciple others .. its already DONE .

you think it is something that cpomke s and goes and only some have it or you need a special one for certain things .. because churches have taught that to you and its not correct
 
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Im looking at the big picture here. I have already explained that if the Churches cant agree then this is evidence that they are not following the Spirit because the Spirit would not teach us confusion and division. How can one church have such diverse doctrine? Protestants and Catholics are nothing alike so how can they both be Spirit filled?
your of those churches that dont agree -so YOU cant be in the spirit .according to your own words
 
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I was at a men's retreat in New Mexico a month ago. We were having a time of intense worship when I felt like He was speaking "a word" to me. It so impacted me that I got up from kneeling on the floor and sit in my chair to type what He said in my phone, which was; "I said you would do greater things than I. The reason you will be able to do so, is because you will have access to the authority I never had until I was given 'the name above every name'".....after my resurrection!"

Hopefully you know scripture well enough to know more than just what He said. I was jubilated and shared it with several brothers (MEN'S retreat sis ;)) One of which was our pastor, and one other was the lead pastor of the retreat. He was from the mega church who put on this retreat which our little church was one of many invited. Upon sharing it and understanding the impact of it he looked and me and said; "Man THAT'S from God!" :amen::amen:and again, I believe:amen:
As candidates now so shall WE then stand , as those who 'believe and obey on that glorious day'.

I'm done for tonight. God be on you.

What you heard from Him is right in line with what Jesus said in the very next verse (John 14:14.) He talked about asking in His name. We know that to be "the name above every name"!

John 14:12-14--"I assure you: The one who believes in Me will also do the works that I do. And he will do even greater works than these, because I am going to the Father. Whatever you ask in My name, I will do it so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it."
 
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We clearly have division. Did the apostles bring division? Nope.
That's right, there is division because some Christians started teaching the unscriptural doctrine that some of the gifts ceased when the NT apostles died. They were wrong, and Christians have been divided ever since. ;)
 
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You said Jesus commanded "us" to heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons. Where?

You said, "But we are not talking about the Great Commission." Yes, we are! Read Mark's version of the Great Commission.

Mark 16:17-18--“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages; they will pick up snakes; if they should drink anything deadly, it will never harm them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will get well.
 
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That's right, there is division because some Christians started teaching the unscriptural doctrine that some of the gifts ceased when the NT apostles died. They were wrong, and Christians have been divided ever since. ;)
Your response is what i have come to expect. Not factual. The church is divided over much more than that.
 
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Your response is what i have come to expect. Not factual. The church is divided over much more than that.
Come on, W2L, you missed my sarcasm. Didn’t you notice the winky emoji? Blessings!
 
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The Greek word 'apostolos' has 2 meanings. By far the most common usage in the NT is an eye-witness, miracle working, divinely appointed apostle of Christ. The other usage, which is only used a couple of times (this being one of them), means a messenger. Titus was a messenger of the churches. In virtually every English translation the word in that verse is correctly translated messenger.
Apostles are also messengers of the churches , sent ones with a message as Barnabas and Paul were in Acts 13 and 14:14.They were sent as messengers of the churches to deliver the message to them.
 
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If we have apostles, prophets and teachers, why is the church so divided? Can it be because they are teaching flawed doctrine? Would a true teacher do that?
There is so many reasons for false division. The devil is involved, the flesh, men following corrupt teachers. The false one man pastor exalted man over the whole body where the five fold gifts cannot function as they should etc etc

And even in the early churches we read of sin in the camp and false teachers exalting themselves and teaching thing which they ought not drawing away disciples after them etc.
 
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There is so many reasons for false division. The devil is involved, the flesh, men following corrupt teachers. The false one man pastor exalted man over the whole body where the five fold gifts cannot function as they should etc etc

And even in the early churches we read of sin in the camp and false teachers exalting themselves and teaching thing which they ought not drawing away disciples after them etc.
There is one reason for division and that is because the churches are teaching different doctrines that dont agree.
 
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