Did God Create Fossils?

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In principle we agree, but only so far as the motivation of the authors was not one of factual, historical or philosophical consistency.

Atheists say that every time they read about the birth of Christ, His resurrection and ascension to heaven... Bible denying is nothing new.

The writing of Genesis, the complete recasting of Hebrew history from an ordinary secular to a miraculous fiction was the result of the devastating pressure

I see you engaging in "creative writing" again -- and I know that we both know that Christians prefer the actual Bible to "creative writing".
 
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The problem is that Genesis is wrong, the Hebrew authors didn't know about evolution. With the ancient oral traditions available to the Hebrew writers in Babylon they pieced together a story for the consumption ...

The problem is that the Bible is right... Colter is wrong no matter the "creative writing" posts claiming that the opposite is the case... Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???.
 
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If the flood did not produce the fossil record, then what did in context of a young earth view? I have heard it said that God could have created coal when He formed the world. But coal comes from organic remains, pressurized over long periods of time. Also, coal seams contain fossils, such as the imprints of leaves and other organic structures. If God created this, he is essentially making detailed evidence of something alive that never lived. Would God do this?
No.
The dates for when creatures lived are wrong and based on faith. The flood was just one year in history.
 
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As for the flood, there wasn't one on the scale depicted in the Noah story. When the Hebrew authors were attempting to trace their bloodlines (authority) back to a much older Adam and Eve, they couldn't. So they exploited a local flood legend as a genealogical device. It was acceptable to the minds of the age but not to contemporary man. That's why we don't find human skeletons or their settlements along side dinosaurs, because the dinosaurs lived tens of millions of years before man evolved to will consciousness roughly 1 million years ago.
LOL, there is a MOUNTAIN of geological evidence that supports the global flood. There is sociological evidence of it

Because hey, those sea shell fossils they find at the summit of Everest well they just happened to get there by accident
 
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As for the flood, there wasn't one on the scale depicted in the Noah story. When the Hebrew authors were attempting to trace their bloodlines (authority) back to a much older Adam and Eve, they couldn't. So they exploited a local flood legend as a genealogical device. It was acceptable to the minds of the age but not to contemporary man. That's why we don't find human skeletons or their settlements along side dinosaurs, because the dinosaurs lived tens of millions of years before man evolved to will consciousness roughly 1 million years ago.

Either the Bible is TRUSTWORTHY and is TRUTH or it is Not

You are lukewarm. Either it's ALL true or its GARBAGE and not worth the time of day. The GROSS error you stand on is you are calling G-d a liar. Genesis was given to Moses BY GOD DIRECTLY
 
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In reference to the last post, there is really no reason for atheists to comment one way or the other comma because they are either coming in because they want to change our minds which they cannot or they are making comments in ignorance as to what is actually in scriptures and what we believe. Of course I encourage them to join in and read what others are saying comma because it may very well open their eyes to what we actually believe as opposed to what they think we believe.

Well said. Amen. Atheists think they're intellectually superior...while in reality they simply can't accept any higher intelligence than themselves, and choose the path to ignorance and insanity. How can any sane person believe that rocks turned into frogs, dust turned into humans and explosions created planets? Alas...if only they ever open their eyes and read what God Himself has to say in the Bible.
 
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LOL, there is a MOUNTAIN of geological evidence that supports the global flood. There is sociological evidence of it

Because hey, those sea shell fossils they find at the summit of Everest well they just happened to get there by accident
The problem with mountaintop fossils is that they are not uniform all over the mounts of the world, I don't think?
I look at them and think of ancient seas being uplifted and pushed up into mountains (quickly, and after the flood). Not all areas where there are mountains probably involved a sea in the area. Just because fossils exist doesn't mean they were from the year of the flood. In some cases I suspect that fossils now on high mountains may have originated in the flood, and later got uplifted in mountain building. After all, many Christians think that the pre flood mountains were likely smaller than say, the Himalayas. I do not think it fits the evidence to claim that the flood deposited the fossils on all the mountains.
 
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The problem with mountaintop fossils is that they are not uniform all over the mounts of the world, I don't think?
I look at them and think of ancient seas being uplifted and pushed up into mountains (quickly, and after the flood). Not all areas where there are mountains probably involved a sea in the area. Just because fossils exist doesn't mean they were from the year of the flood. In some cases I suspect that fossils now on high mountains may have originated in the flood, and later got uplifted in mountain building. After all, many Christians think that the pre flood mountains were likely smaller than say, the Himalayas. I do not think it fits the evidence to claim that the flood deposited the fossils on all the mountains.


It says THE FOUNDATION OF THE DEEP BROKE.... there was RAPID tectonic plate shifting that occurred the span of North American and Europe between the Atlantic happened very quickly causing ENORMOUS Tsunami's This occurred in waves with the water flooding across the entire continent. Waves of unimaginable height depositing enormous amounts of deposits

 
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It says THE FOUNDATION OF THE DEEP BROKE.... there was RAPID tectonic plate shifting that occurred the span of North American and Europe between the Atlantic happened very quickly causing ENORMOUS Tsunami's This occurred in waves with the water flooding across the entire continent. Waves of unimaginable height depositing enormous amounts of deposits
While I think we know there was continental separation, and I agree it was very fast...we don't know when. I suspect it was post flood. That would fit the evidences such as migrations of animals after the flood.

The fountains of the deep opened, yes, as well as the windows of heaven. That does not mean a break in the plates. That means water came up fast from certain conduits we call fountains.

Try to frame your rather flimsy speculations as such, rather than as some sort of facts.
 
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While I think we know there was continental separation, and I agree it was very fast...we don't know when. I suspect it was post flood. That would fit the evidences such as migrations of animals after the flood.

The fountains of the deep opened, yes, as well as the windows of heaven. That does not mean a break in the plates. That means water came up fast from certain conduits we call fountains.

Try to frame your rather flimsy speculations as such, rather than as some sort of facts.

Both your views remind me of this verse from Jesus:

Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
 
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If the flood did not produce the fossil record, then what did in context of a young earth view? I have heard it said that God could have created coal when He formed the world. But coal comes from organic remains, pressurized over long periods of time. Also, coal seams contain fossils, such as the imprints of leaves and other organic structures. If God created this, he is essentially making detailed evidence of something alive that never lived. Would God do this?
Actually we have produced coal in the lab in a matter of hours, despite evolutionary claims it takes hundreds of thousands of years.

The same with oil, created in minutes.

The same with sedimentary rocks. The sediments that flowed from the collapse of Mt Saint Helens formed stratified layers and hardened to solid rock in months...

Their worldview is flawed so they come to the wrong conclusions while ignoring laboratory and natural evidence.
 
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While I think we know there was continental separation, and I agree it was very fast...we don't know when. I suspect it was post flood. That would fit the evidences such as migrations of animals after the flood.

The fountains of the deep opened, yes, as well as the windows of heaven. That does not mean a break in the plates. That means water came up fast from certain conduits we call fountains.

Try to frame your rather flimsy speculations as such, rather than as some sort of facts.
Actually it fits the flood better.

Ever ask yourself why God had Noah stay in the Ark for two months “after” the water had receded? The land was still too unstable.

See Psalms 104:6-9
 
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Actually it fits the flood better.

Ever ask yourself why God had Noah stay in the Ark for two months “after” the water had receded? The land was still too unstable.

See Psalms 104:6-9
I assumed it took time for the waters to recede.

If there was a continent separation at that precise time, then when the animals did get off, the migration to Australia and etc would not be possible in any way that is believable.

In addition, the fast growing trees and plants of that day would feed the animals, and Noah was confident to let them out after the waters receded enough to allow for their growth.

Also, some time later (more than a century after this) we had Babel and the days of Peleg when the earth was divided....and many think that dividing also included the continental division.

There is no indication of any major earth shaking event while they were on the ark, the idea was they waited for the water to go down and food to come up.
 
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I assumed it took time for the waters to recede.

No, since Noah KNEW the Ark was on dry ground BEFORE he stayed in the Ark for two months. Gen 8:13 Noah was afraid to leave the Ark and had to be commanded to leave, by God promising not to destroy the Earth with water again Gen 9:11 and that all creatures on Earth would be afraid of Humans. Gen 9:2

If there was a continent separation at that precise time, then when the animals did get off, the migration to Australia and etc would not be possible in any way that is believable.

Did you forget that it was the Lord who scattered Noah's descendants over the whole face of the Earth? The Lord had all the transportation He needed. Gen 11:9 It's also WHY Human farming began all over the Earth at about the same time when there was no transportation system available to people, at that time.

In addition, the fast growing trees and plants of that day would feed the animals, and Noah was confident to let them out after the waters receded enough to allow for their growth.

Trees and plants had already filled our Earth BEFORE the Ark arrived. Remember the Dove which returned to the Ark and then 7 days later, went out again and returned to the Ark with an Olive leaf in it's mouth? Gen 8:10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark; Gen 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off:

See? Olive trees take a long time to germinate in mud, put forth limbs and leaves, showing it could NOT be done in 7 days as you suggest. The Dove flew to the shore of the big Lake in which the Ark was found upon in the mountains of Ararat 150 days/5 months after the flood began. Genesis 8:4 Do the math and you will realize that the Ark stayed in the Lake for 7 more months before Noah left.

Also, some time later (more than a century after this) we had Babel and the days of Peleg when the earth was divided....and many think that dividing also included the continental division.

Old wives tale since the dividing was when the Lord scattered Noah's descendants over the face of the whole Earth from Babel. Gen 11:9

There is no indication of any major earth shaking event while they were on the ark, the idea was they waited for the water to go down and food to come up.

They were scared to leave because they realized they had arrived on another Earth. They had never seen rain, nor thunderstorms, no giant mountains, nor Sun, Moon and Stars, so they stayed in the Ark until commanded to leave by God. This also refutes the silly notion that the Ark landed on top of Mt Ararat, which is covered in snow year round. Noah had enough sense to get out of a frozen Ark long BEFORE he finally left, on February 27th. Gen 8:14 Please correct your misconceptions. Amen?
 
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No, since Noah KNEW the Ark was on dry ground BEFORE he stayed in the Ark for two months. Gen 8:13 Noah was afraid to leave the Ark and had to be commanded to leave, by God promising not to destroy the Earth with water again Gen 9:11 and that all creatures on Earth would be afraid of Humans. Gen 9:2
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/gen/9/2/s_9002 Since the ground was dry and he knew plants also grew before God told him it was cool to leave...your point is moot.

Gen 8:12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.

13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry. 14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.

15 And God spake unto Noah, saying, 16 Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee. 17 Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.18 And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him: 19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark.


Did you forget that it was the Lord who scattered Noah's descendants over the whole face of the Earth? The Lord had all the transportation He needed. Gen 11:9 It's also WHY Human farming began all over the Earth at about the same time when there was no transportation system available to people, at that time.

Yes they scattered. As it happens, scattering is easier on a giant piece of land, than in a divided world with islands and continents. Just because God saw to it man was scattered, does not mean He used fairies....or flying saucers...etc.


Trees and plants had already filled our Earth BEFORE the Ark arrived. Remember the Dove which returned to the Ark and then 7 days later, went out again and returned to the Ark with an Olive leaf in it's mouth? Gen 8:10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark; Gen 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off:

See? Olive trees take a long time to germinate in mud, put forth limbs and leaves, showing it could NOT be done in 7 days as you suggest.
Since the bible tells us it was seven days, I suggest it could in that day and nature happen.

The Dove flew to the shore of the big Lake in which the Ark was found upon in the mountains of Ararat 150 days/5 months after the flood began.
Funny the dove flying to your imaginary planet of the apes lake is not in the bible eh?
Genesis 8:4 Do the math and you will realize that the Ark stayed in the Lake for 7 more months before Noah left.
It says how long the dove was gone actually.


Old wives tale since the dividing was when the Lord scattered Noah's descendants over the face of the whole Earth from Babel. Gen 11:9
Since I suggested it was in the days of Peleg that the dividing happened, that includes the time of Babel. AIG says Peleg was a young lad at the time of Babel!

In the Days of Peleg
They were scared to leave because they realized they had arrived on another Earth.
Sorry, when you descend into truly insane babble with no value or support I have no time to waste responding.
This also refutes the silly notion that the Ark landed on top of Mt Ararat, which is covered in snow year round. Noah had enough sense to get out of a frozen Ark long BEFORE he finally left, on February 27th. Gen 8:14 Please correct your misconceptions. Amen?
Probably on the mountains of Ararat area, which was later uplifted into high mountains as I deduce things.
 
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I don't want to hurt my brethren's feelings but I've encountered a lot of atheists who know a lot more about the Bible than the average Christian...
Better to believe the little we know, than to think we know what we really don't.
 
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