Black teen misses bus, gets shot at after asking for directions in Rochester Hills

Aryeh Jay · Oct 14, 2018

Well there you have it; it is no big deal because some people used to shoot at each other with shotguns.

Aryeh Jay · Oct 14, 2018

Judging from the massive muzzle blast from that Mossberg 590 combat shotgun, the same one used by the Marines in Iraq, I would say it was just a mild birdshot load to send messages to wayward people and not some high powered Buckshot or slug.

Rick Otto · Oct 14, 2018

SarahsKnight said:
Just another example of why 90% of the human race is too trigger-happy and irresponsible to be trusted with owning guns.

It's not by accident.

Rick Otto · Oct 14, 2018

SarahsKnight said:
But of course, Go Braves! Don't trust those cute smiles and pleading eyes to help their cause for a second. God knows what dangerous weapons they're hiding behind those boxes of Samoas they're holding out to you, just waiting to whip out and fire on an unsuspecting nice old suburban couple the second they drop their guard and open their wallet?!

EDIT: .... Just remember, @Go Braves ! Even if it's just a little girl wearing a beret with cat ears and toting tasteless cookies around, it's THEIR LIFE OR YOURS! No questions asked! (That's the BS line I always heard from my wildly gun-obsessed former stepmother, who bragged about carrying a deer knife in the cubby on her driver's side door, because she was sure that if she didn't, she would be dragged out of her car and raped in the middle of a stop.

To that I always responded (to myself, not out loud, because I don't want family members mad at my sissy liberal butt when it comes to the subject of guns: "Act like a victim, and you are more likely to be one."

Her packing heat is the opposite of acting like a victim in any common sense other than an Orwellian one.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Oct 14, 2018

OldWiseGuy said:
I just saw the video. He was clearly shooting at the kid. However there might be more going on that most realize. We used to shoot at each other across a field or woods with shotguns but from a safe distance. The tiny shot pellets would rain down on us harmlessly. It appears that this guy knew his shot would do no harm but would send a message. At a certain distance the shot might 'sting' but do no serious harm.

There's nothing more to the story. A black teen knocked on a persons door . And asked for help. The woman got paranoid. And started screaming these people are going to rob us. Both assume this black teen would rob them. So the male owner started shooting at him. And never paid attention to him asking for help. Lucky this teen wasn't killed. They would have got away with it. Because the teem wouldn't have been able to tell his story. Kids/ teen knock on my door. I don't assume a child or teen is going to rob me. Even adults knock on my door. I don't shoot them.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Oct 14, 2018

Willie T said:
I think I asked a very reasonable question. Why would you knock on a strangers door to ask directions to your own school? You can go ahead and try to add anything you want to my question if you hope that will make you feel better. But, how about answering the simple, straight-forward question I asked.
With all the schools I went to, I can't recall ever not knowing where my own school was.

The story said he was at a friends house . Maybe he didn't know how to get to school from his friends home. I was taught not to trust people, I know. So, I would have a problem with knocking on a strangers house. But if you think going back home might harm you more, than a strangers house might not be the worst idea.

And, if you missed your school bus, wouldn't you just turn around and walk the short way back to your own house?

No, I would have never walked back home. I would have worried about being punished.

SarahsKnight · Oct 14, 2018

OldWiseGuy said:
I just saw the video. He was clearly shooting at the kid. However there might be more going on that most realize. We used to shoot at each other across a field or woods with shotguns but from a safe distance.

Really? "safe distance" when it comes to guns?

Willie T · Oct 14, 2018

RDKirk said:
Then what was actually the point of your post?

Black people should never ask white people which is the right direction to go. Check.

Across the street? Any shot size will do a lot more than "sting."

Please stop pushing an agenda.

expos4ever · Oct 14, 2018

Hammster said:
I look forward to you validating that statistic.

While I strongly suspect the poster is speculating, I suggest that people systematically over-estimate their own competence.

I see no reason why this would not be true of gun use.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Oct 14, 2018

Willie T said:
Please stop pushing an agenda.

There's is no agenda to push . This black teen was shot at for no reason. But some people try to claim he was shady. Because he was black. There's no agenda. Just the simple truth. That people are in denial about.

Newtheran · Oct 15, 2018

SarahsKnight said:
... You cannot be serious.

Quite...a lot of home invasion robberies start this way.

When I was growing up (good neighborhood), our neighbor made the mistake of opening the door to a teenage girl asking to use the phone (in an era before cell phones). That's when her accomplice jumped out and began beating him. Which is when I ran out with my rifle and sent several rounds over their heads...at which point they fled.

It is not an unreasonable assumption in a world where cell phones are ubiquitous that someone knocking at the door is up to no good. Also keep in mind that you are only hearing one side of the story...from people who invariably side with even hardened criminals against their victims.

While I'm prepared to be a martyr for Christ, I'm not prepared to be a martyr for being unrealistic.

When Horror Came to a Connecticut Family

RDKirk · Oct 15, 2018

Newtheran said:
Quite...a lot of home invasion robberies start this way.

When I was growing up (good neighborhood), our neighbor made the mistake of opening the door to a teenage girl asking to use the phone (in an era before cell phones). That's when her accomplice jumped out and began beating him. Which is when I ran out with my rifle and sent several rounds over their heads...at which point they fled.

It is not an unreasonable assumption in a world where cell phones are ubiquitous that someone knocking at the door is up to no good. Also keep in mind that you are only hearing one side of the story...from people who invariably side with even hardened criminals against their victims.

While I'm prepared to be a martyr for Christ, I'm not prepared to be a martyr for being unrealistic.

When Horror Came to a Connecticut Family

Over on YouTube there is a video by Masaad Ayoob entitled "Don't Answer the Door."

I've been reading Masaad Ayoob since the early 80s. He's a former police officer and a long-time specialist on the tactics of firearms for self defense and is a very frequent expert witness in self-defense cases. His knowledge of firearms tactics is immense.

According to Ayoob, if you really think you're likely to be a target of a home invasion by answering the door to the extent of needing to be armed...then don't answer the door.

Standing at or just behind the door if you really think there is a danger outside is tactically stupid. That means the possible bad guy knows exactly where you are but you don't know where he is.

Rather, use a remote speaking device or just yell out from a defended position away from the door. If the person can't give you a satisfactory response through the closed door...then don't open it.

Rather simple, actually, and greatly eliminates the need for shooting anyone.

TLK Valentine · Oct 15, 2018

RDKirk said:
Rather simple, actually, and greatly eliminates the need for shooting anyone.

Eliminates the need -- but what about the desire?

SarahsKnight · Oct 15, 2018

I really cannot believe the excuses people are trying to come up with to make this incident seem at all justified.

essentialsaltes · Nov 14, 2018

Update Update: Sentenced to 4 to 10 years for one count of assault with intent to do great bodily harm and one count of 'felony firearm'.

JackRT · Nov 14, 2018

essentialsaltes said:
Update Update: Sentenced to 4 to 10 years for one count of assault with intent to do great bodily harm and one count of 'felony firearm'.

Justice has been served.

Willie T · Nov 14, 2018

As usual, the lying for "coverup" is what gets them. He should have never lied claiming he tripped, accidently firing the gun.

Aryeh Jay · Nov 14, 2018

Willie T said:
As usual, the lying for "coverup" is what gets them. He should have never lied claiming he tripped, accidently firing the gun.

Well, I really didn’t see him saying…

“Yes sir officer, I busted out the loaded gage and when my wife opened the door and I yelled ‘surprise!’ that kid took off like a scared raccoon being chased by some Mississippi blue tick hounds on a Saturday night! Hoo boy! I ran out and by the time I lined up the sights on his center of mass, he was already across the road but I let loose with a load of buckshot just to see if I could wing him”.

Nithavela · Nov 14, 2018

Aryeh Jay said:
Well, I really didn’t see him saying…

“Yes sir officer, I busted out the loaded gage and when my wife opened the door and I yelled ‘surprise!’ that kid took off like a scared raccoon being chased by some Mississippi blue tick hounds on a Saturday night! Hoo boy! I ran out and by the time I lined up the sights on his center of mass, he was already across the road but I let loose with a load of buckshot just to see if I could wing him”.

Thats what pleading the fifth is for (amongst other things).

Black teen misses bus, gets shot at after asking for directions in Rochester Hills

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