Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?

Llewelyn Stevenson said:

You are incorrect about what I believe. I do not believe that we are sinners who cannot stop sinning. In fact I believe everyone who claims they believe should aim for sinlessness in this life because that is what Jesus saved them for. I doubt you took the time to read what I said properly. I suggest you reread it.

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Do you believe future sin is forgiven for a believer?

So what is your interpretation on 1 John 1:8?
What is your interpretation on Romans 7:14-24?
What is your interpretation on Romans 3:10, and Romans 3:23?

Also, if you do believe sinners can stop sinning, then what is the point if you believe King David was saved in his sins of adultery and murder?

Do you not see such a teaching as leading others INTO sin if you tell them King David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder? Is this not making light of sin and it's true consequences as taught in the Bible?

Note: See again Numbers 35:16-18, Leviticus 20:10, 1 John 3:15, Proverbs 6:32, Matthew 5:28-30.

You said:

I never tell others they can sin and still be saved, I tell them although they have sinned they may still be reconciled to God if they will follow his word of grace. Please read what I wrote.

David was safe while God extended his mercy and thus he was saved in spite of his sin because God was determined to save him.

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You are teaching a double message right now and you don't even know it.
You are teaching a contradiction.


Even if it is for a short amount of time. You are telling a person they can abide in grievous sin for a short amount of time and that is okay with God (whereby He will save them). He's got them even when they commit horrible sin for a little while. But God places no statutes of limitations in regards to time when it comes to the crime. God does not say in His Word that a person's sin is absolved as long as you commit this sin for a short amount of time (that is then followed by repentance).

The analogy of the pooping pup is not a good one because you are still thinking as a man and not as Christ thinks. You quote portions of his message with no regard to others.

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So you are in disagreement with the parable?
I thought you said that you said before that a believer overcomes sin in this life?
That was the point of the parable.
God chastens the animal so as to get them to stop sinning.
But if they cannot stop sinning, then chastening serves no purpose but to be cruel to it's creation because it cannot change or stop sinning.

Even your accusation I have misquoted the Scripture concerning Spirit and letter [Torah] show your confusion.

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I showed you by Scripture repeatedly that you did misquote 2 Corinthians 3:6 out of it's context. The context does not support what you say. Care to point out the context of that verse to show how it supports your interpretation on that verse?
My guess is that you will not do that because the context does not actually support you.

You said:

Whether murder is condemned in either the New or Old Testaments it is still from the Torah and there is no confusion at all so your accusation that I am misquoting Paul is totally incorrect.

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Not all laws are the same between the Old Testament (the 613 Laws of Moses) vs. the laws (or commands) given to us by Jesus Christ and His followers in the New Testament. Certain laws have appeared to remain the same like the Moral Law. But there are no Judicial Laws (that enforces justice) given to God's people. Instead, God has given unbelieving governments (or your own nation) that responsibility. Jesus taught pacifism for his followers in the New Testament. Although, a person can still obey them, the ceremonial laws from the OT are also no longer in effect (Like the Saturday Sabbath, the dietary laws, circumcision, Passover, etc.). There are certain OT laws that are no more that are forbidden for us to obey (like the animal sacrifices, making vows, an eye for an eye, etc.). Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

Please note carefully that I do not believe Christians can't stop sinning, how can they continue if Christ and the Spirit are living in them [except they walk in the flesh and not the Spirit, in which case they need to repent and learn to walk in the Spirit]?

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Again, what does it matter if you believe that if you also teach to others that King David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder? The foundation is already destroyed. You are telling others they can sin and still be saved (Whether you want that to happen or not). To teach that a person can sin and still be saved is to teach the EXACT OPPOSITE of a person to stop sinning. So what you are saying here is contradiction. A double message.

You said:

Do you think that I have not experienced the temptations common to man? I have and each time Christ in me has overcome them. I walk free from sin by the grace of God and not by works of the flesh. I live to be totally sold out to God and to encourage others to walk in his grace.

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Are you referring to the same kind of grace that David received in the fact that he was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder? If that is the kind of grace you are referring to, then that is not true Biblical grace, but it is turning God's grace into a license for immorality.

You said:

I have said before, and will say it again, do you not realise that forgiveness is the power not to sin again? We can all experience this power if we are willing to submit to God and resist the devil.

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What do you make of those believers who say they cannot overcome grievous sin this side of Heaven but they believe they should strive to obey God? In other words, they do not think they can overcome grievous sin like lying, or lusting and yet they should strive to fight against these things. Yet, it is okay they do not overcome them because God still saves them because of their belief on Jesus. Do you think this belief is teaching a license for immorality?

It is no good trying to find fault with me, why not just ask God to help you be faultless?

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I am not trying to find fault with you personally. I am fighting against your wrong belief that is not described in the Bible.

This is the power of the Gospel if you will accept it.

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You mean the OSAS version of grace (or the Belief Alone version of grace) that is not taught in the Bible that says that King David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder? Sorry. No thanks. Such a teaching is absolutely immoral to me. This version of grace is a violation of basic morality and you cannot even see why it is immoral. It's still sinning while under God's grace and it insults what Christ did for us on the cross.

I reiterate, the conundrum is that you either view David through the eyes of the Torah, which justly say he is guilty to be condemned,

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Not at all. Grievous sin is condemnation in both the Old and New Testaments.


The only difference is that God's people do not enforce justice in killing a person physically (i.e. capital punishment) if a fellow believer commits grievous sin. But you take words in the New Testament about how the Law kills (when it is talking about capital punishment) as being in reference to how we will not die spiritually if we commit sin.

You said:

or thought the eyes of God of whom David says, "Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven and whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man to whom The Lord imputes no iniquity and in whose spirit there is no guile. When I kept silent my bones waxed old through my roaring all day long for day and night you hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned to the drought of summer. Selah. I acknowledged my sin unto thee and my iniquity I hid not. I said, I will confess my transgression to The Lord and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. Selah." Psalm 32:1 to 5.

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This is talking about past sins that are confessed. Nowhere does this teach that we can sin and still be saved.

You said:

Please read what I said before and understand, by the Torah David was not saved, but by the mercy of God he was simply because God was determined to save him.

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This is the double message that Eternal Security likes to espouse. David was saved and yet he was not saved. Please pick a side and stick with it. You cannot preach a double message or a message that is contradictory. Either David was saved or he was not saved. God's laws applied to David back then and they related to a person being right with God if they kept the Law as a part of their faith. If they did not have faith and they did not love God and love others, their law keeping was only a show or a distortion of God's laws and the faith. This is what the Pharisees did with God's laws. They ignored the weightier matters of the Law like faith, justice, and mercy (See Matthew 23:23, and Luke 11:42). Jesus did not say, "Oh, it's okay you sin poor Pharisee, just believe in my sacrifice and my grace and do not worry about sinning, you will be forgiven and then you will be able to walk uprightly in time." Is that what Jesus said? No!

Jesus taught that you have to keep the commandments as a part of eternal life (See Matthew 19:17, and Luke 10:25-28). So we not only need God's grace (Which is how we are initially and ultimately saved, but we also need to obey as a part of that grace - as a part of the salvation process).

We all know what happens when God's Spirit stops striving with man [see Noah's flood], but Noah found grace in the eyes of God.

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Noah was called a preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:5).
The global flood destroyed the world because it was an example to ALL who would live ungodly thereafter (2 Peter 2:5-6).

You said:

Can you not allow David to find grace in the eyes of God?

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I believe David was saved in the end and that he was ultimately saved by God's grace. So that is not a problem for me. What is a problem for me is that you are teaching that David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder (Whereby he would not have needed to seek forgiveness with God because he would have already been forgiven; And he would not have needed to cry out to God for the joy of his salvation back if he was already saved). Teaching that King David was saved in his sins of adultery and murder is teaching a license for immorality. It is wrong and you cannot even see it.

In any event, may God's love shine upon you today (even if we disagree strongly on this topic).

Dorothy Mae said:

Well, those who think the same as Jesus thinks have the mind of Christ. Those who do not, do not. We cannot really just read this and say we have the mind of Christ no matter what we think.
And I am not say he does.Me too.Frankly speaking, if we have the mind of Christ, we will not judge a man before his time. Jesus said have to endure to the end, not endure every moment of every day or we lost it all instantly. The latter is what you are saying. You ignore time, Christ does not.

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I believe to judge a man before his time is to say they are forever condemned without any hope of salvation, etc. But we can say that if a person is abiding in unrepentant grievous sin that they are not saved while doing so because numerous Scripture verses teach that fact. Again, 1 John 3:15 says no murderer has eternal life abiding in them. Yet, you want me to believe there are murderers out there who may have eternal life abiding in them. Sorry, I cannot bring myself to believe that because it is not only a violation of Scripture but it is a violation of basic morality.

RDKirk said:

You worry too much about what other people might or might not think, and in doing so, you twist apart the confidence in God that Jesus makes plain.

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Not true. It is actually more important for me to do works in secret than to do any kind of works openly. Hence, my username and slogan that I had for quite some time now.

You said:

You preach "Obedience! or God will send you to hell."

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Actually, Jesus preached obedience or one will be sent to hell.

28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell." (Matthew 5:28-30).

41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." (Matthew 5:41-46).

John says, all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8).
Are there another group of liars mentioned by John that are going to miss out on the Lake of Fire?

You said:

Other people will preach "Obedience anyway."

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You seem to imply that what we do here does not matter. Jesus says why do you call me Lord, Lord if you do not what I say? (See Luke 6:46).

Does it matter?

"And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (John 5:29).

So I would say... "yes." It does matter!

I've never heard anyone actually preach "Go out and commit any sin you want to."

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When you tell a person that King David was saved in his sins of adultery and murder, then that minimizes the need to be holy or to keep God's laws without fear of any kind of punishment. A person will have a low regard for keeping God's laws and they could think they could murder or commit adultery and be saved like a King David. So you or anyone else here does not have to tell a person that they can go out and sin. A person will more than likely (in most cases) do this all on their own if they believe King David was saved in his sins of adultery and murder. Sure, many of them may not murder, but many can commit adultery or indulge in inappropriate content (which is adultery of the heart) and think their heart is right with God (When the Bible clearly says otherwise - see Matthew 5:28-30).

Dorothy Mae said:

Jason,
It would be a lot easier if you simply accepted that sin separates us from God instead of sin cause the judgement "now unsaved again" to fall on our heads. YOu are appealing to selfishness in men instead of loving God and man. You want people not to sin to save themselves from hell. And they are Christians. Why not tell them the truth and if they want to know God at all, they are going to have to be holy and develop a pure heart. Christ's righteousness while their own deeds stink will not do it. God will not reveal himself to the man or woman who loves to hang onto pleasures God finds odious (the victims of our sin usually agree with God but few people think of them until they are one themselves.)

Now it is true that habitual embracing sin and ignoring God's commands will render the heart so hard that one loses one's salvation. All the people I met like this ended up not believing anyway, in their own words, mind you. They embraced sin and sooner or later no longer believed in God to ease their conscience. So the road of sin does lead to being unsaved but it is not without signposts and warning and stoplights and God trying to stop his own from going down that road.

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I am not saying a person is forever condemned if they commit a grievous sin. If they commit a grievous sin, they abide in spiritual death and they have a chance to repent (seek forgiveness) with God in order to be forgiven (saved) again while they are still physically alive. God does not instantly take the life of a person and place them under final judgment to be condemned every time a believer commits a grievous sin. God is patient and long suffering and he is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But where is repentance if one believes one can sin and still be saved? This is where your belief does not make any sense. There is no need for confession or 1 John 1:9 if we can sin and still be saved.

Again, 1 John 3:15. It says.... NO MURDERER has eternal life. You want me to believe contrary to this verse in the fact that one CAN be a murderer and still have eternal life abiding in them!!!! I am sorry. I cannot do that. I believe God's Word over what you say!

Dorothy Mae said:

This is a very narrow definition. Calling a person a name is considered judging them. No one assumes it means no hope. What happens tomorrow does not affect the fact that a judgement was rendered today. Your judgement is based on the end which is not known or fixed.

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If you don’t want to be judged, don’t judge. If you don’t want to be condemned, don’t condemn. If you want to be forgiven, forgive (Luke 6:37)

In this verse above, I believe the word "condemned" is in reference to how we should not condemn others by saying they are forever condemned without hope or salvation. We as believers do not know the final status of salvation for a believer. We do not know if they will repent before they die. That is what I was talking about.

Now you have added the requirement of unrepentant grievous sin. So there seems to be a difference here. This is because your whole view on this is not correct in line with God's mercy and WAITING before judging. Do you know that God judges sometimes when men are alive and that is a very serious matter? I still maintain that God witholds judgement of "unsaved" until a time to see if a person repents. I think this is the mind of Christ.

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I did not add anything. The Bible plainly says that no murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15). We know that if a person wants to be forgiven of sin, they are to confess of their sin to be forgiven (See 1 John 1:9).

I never said that. Why is it necessary for you to put words into my mouth to prove your point?

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So you believe David was not saved in his sins of adultery and murder?
I was getting the impression that you believed that he was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder (Thereby teaching that a murderer CAN have eternal life abiding in them - which is a direct contradiction or violation of 1 John 3:15).

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Why cannot God and the righteous man WITHOLD judgement at a point in time waiitng to see how the man will choose? Why is this impossible for you to believe? Why does God, in your view, have to slap on "unsaved" crossing their name out immediately? I tell you that God is patient and calling and trying to pursuade a man to repent, as he did with David and others. Why is this so difficult for you to think? Why does God have to pronounce "unsaved" judgement on men?

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There has to be a reason why you are not wanting to see plainly what 1 John 3:15, Proverbs 6:32, Matthew 5:28-30 says. Take a step back for a moment. Take an unbiased look at things for a second. Ask God if what I say is true with these verses. Meditate and pray over them. Maybe there is something you are not seeing here for a reason I do not know about.

In any event, may God bless you this fine day.

Llewelyn Stevenson said:

That is an incorrect deduction of what I wrote, neither is the first part of your statement the way you live. Do you judge yourself as you judge David? Do you condemn yourself the way you condemn him? I sincerely doubt it.

When you are taken in a sin, do you say, "Oh no! I am no longer saved!?"

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The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked. We cannot trust ourselves and our own thinking alone. We can trust in God and what His Word says, though.

SkyWriting said:

That's only for me to judge.

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Luke 6:37
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

James 4:11-12
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

James 4:12
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Romans 2:1-3
Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

Romans 14:1-13
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ...

Matthew 7:5
You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

John 8:7
And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

Matthew 7:1-2
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

James 1:26
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.

Luke 6:31
And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

Proverbs 31:9
Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.

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Many of these are talking about hypocritical judgment. Others you are taking out of context. Jesus says we can judge righteously (John 7:24). Paul says, "I say this to your shame. Aren't any of you wise enough to act as a judge between one follower and another? " (1 Corinthians 6:5). Paul says have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them (Ephesians 5:11). All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16).

Dorothy Mae said:

This is very disappointing. I thought you were more mature than this. We are talking judgment in general and you turn it into a personal ad hominen attack. You do not know me and cannot judge me if you wanted to do so in any way that heaven or earth pays attention to.
Jesus thought calling someone a fool was pretty serious so I do not see how you can say that this ONLY means condeming them to hell fire without hope, something way above our pay grade. That is really a silly argument. You define it as something no one who is honest will do anyway and thereby negate the word of God.
Agreed. So move on. Stop bringing up that no murderer is going to Heaven. Stop beating that dead horse.
Well, I do have the mind of Christ and I do not judge a man, nor condemn him as unsaved before time is given for him to repent, same as God does.The horse is resurrected to be beaten again.....I do not. How many times do I have to tell you that I do not judge a man in that position until the time has been given him to repent and he refuses or is dead sans repentance. Like God, I wait with patience and pray he repent. Why should I pronounce a judgement when God is patiently waiting?
There is. God is long suffering and patient and wants all men to COME TO repentance, which means it is in the future for them until they do. Jesus said he who endures to the end will be saved. We must endure to the end. I don't want others decidiing "opps, now she's unsaved again" and so I do not judge others as "opps, now they are unsaved again." I treat others in this as I would like to be treated. You need a scripture for that attitude?
Was better than yesterday which the pages of history teach us are best spent in bed.

His blessing on your day!

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But you seemed to criticize me over how a believer does not lose their salvation if they commit a grievous sin. So are you saying now that you just don't know? If you don't know, then you would not fight for one side with a fire and passion as if you do know. You have taken the position that is the exact opposite of mine. You did not take the position of not knowing whether a person is saved or not if they commit grievous sin. I was getting the impression that you said a person is still saved if they commit a grievous sin. Are you truly saying now that you don't know? I am saying I can know because God's Word tells me very clearly this fact (See 1 John 3:15, Proverbs 6:32, Matthew 5:28-30).

If you do not know, then you should not try to defend a position that is the exact opposite of mine. A position of not knowing would be about seeing how you can see both sides of the issue as being true. Let me give you an example: I used to at one time believed in Eternal Conscious Torment and Conditional Immortality. I believed both beliefs were potentially true because I honestly did not know. But after I studied Scripture more, and prayed about it some more, in time I have come to believe Conditional Immortality is the true Biblical position to have. You did not seem unbiased and in favor of either view as if you truly did not know. You seemed to be in favor of the exact opposite position of the belief that I hold to on this topic.

ToBeLoved said:

100% agree.

This entire thread and title are very silly because asking if King David was saved is silly. God's Word tells us how much God loved King David.

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How could David be considered a man after God’s own heart?

Question: "How could David be considered a man after God’s own heart?"

Answer: To understand why David was a man after God’s own heart, we need to see what characteristics he had to qualify for such an exalted description. In the book of Acts, the apostle Paul speaks of God’s feelings about King David: “After removing Saul, he made David their king. He testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do’” (Acts 13:22). The answer to why David was considered a man after God’s own heart is found right in the verse: David did whatever God wanted him to do. An obvious question is how could God still call David a man after His own heart when David committed such terrible sins, including adultery and murder?

We learn much of David’s character in the book of Psalms as he opened up his life for all to examine. David’s life was a portrait of success and failure, and the biblical record highlights the fact that David was far from perfect. But what made David a cut above the rest was that his heart was pointed toward God. He had a deep desire to follow God’s will and do “everything” God wanted him to do. He was a man after God’s own heart. Let’s look at some characteristics of David’s life to discover what that entails:

Part of why David is called a man after God’s own heart is that he had absolute faith in God. Nowhere in Scripture is this point better illustrated than in 1 Samuel 17 where David as a young shepherd boy fearlessly slew the Philistine, Goliath. Shortly before the duel, we see direct evidence of David’s faith when David says, “‘The LORD who delivered me from the paw of the lion and from the paw of the bear will deliver me from the hand of this Philistine.’ And Saul said to David, ‘Go, and the LORD be with you!’” (verse 37). David was fully aware that God was in control of his life, and he had faith that God would deliver him from impending danger. How else would one venture into a potentially fatal situation with such calm and confidence? David knew early on in life that God was to be trusted and obeyed. As we see in Scripture, David’s faith pleased God, and God rewards David for his faithfulness.

Another reason David was a man after God’s own heart is that he absolutely loved God’s Law. Of the 150 psalms in the Bible, David is credited for writing over half of them. Writing at various and often troubling times in his life, David repeatedly mentioned how much he loved God’s perfect Word. We find a beautiful example of this in Psalm 119:47–48: “For I delight in your commands because I love them. I lift up my hands to your commands, which I love, and I meditate on your decrees.” It is not hard to see his complete adoration for God’s Word. Also notice how David “meditates” on God’s statutes. God granted David understanding and wisdom through daily meditation. We would do well to not only read God’s Word but also think about it throughout the day, for God loves us to think about Him. “Blessed are they who keep his statutes and seek him with all their heart. They do nothing wrong; they walk in his ways” (Psalm 119:2–3).

David was a man after God’s own heart in that he was truly thankful. “I wash my hands in innocence, and go about your altar, O LORD, proclaiming aloud your praise and telling of all your wonderful deeds” (Psalm 26:6–7). David’s life was marked by seasons of great peace and prosperity as well as times of fear and despair. But through all of the seasons in his life, he never forgot to thank the Lord for everything that he had. It is truly one of David’s finest characteristics. “Enter his gates with thanksgiving, and his courts with praise! Give thanks to him; bless his name!” (Psalm 100:4, ESV). As followers of Jesus Christ, we would do well to follow David’s lead of offering praise through thanksgiving to our Lord.

After he sinned, David was truly repentant. David’s sin with Bathsheba is recorded in 2 Samuel 11:2–5. The mighty fall hard, and David’s fall included adultery, lying, and murder. He had sinned against God, and he admits it in 2 Samuel 12:13: “David said to Nathan, ‘I have sinned against the LORD.’ And Nathan said to David, ‘The LORD also has put away your sin; you shall not die.’” But admitting our sin and asking for forgiveness is only half of the equation. The other half is repentance, and David did that as well. Psalm 51 is David’s prayer of repentance to God: “Have mercy on me, O God, according to your steadfast love; according to your abundant mercy blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin!" (Psalm 51:1–2).

In conclusion, David was a man after God’s own heart because he demonstrated his faith and was committed to following the Lord. Yes, his faith was tested on a grand scale, and he failed at times. But after his sin he sought and received the Lord’s forgiveness. In the final analysis, David loved God’s Law and sought to follow it exactly. As a man after God’s own heart, David is a role model for all of us.


The OP really needs to explain why his viewpoint overshadows what is in God's Word.

I say God is right!

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Painting a broad brush stroke over David's life is not the point here. We all know David was saved in the end and David was considered a man of God. The point here is whether or not he temporarily lost his salvation when he committed his sins of adultery and murder. For God is not a respecter of persons (Acts of the Apostles 10:34-35) (Romans 2:11-12).

"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die." (Ezekiel 18:24).

No doubt, David was saved in the end. But he was not in a constant state of salvation his whole life anymore than we are. We were once unsaved at one point in our lives as unbelievers. That does not mean that did not change directions with God and are able to become people of God ourselves. We changed the course we were on by choosing Christ. But choosing Christ is more than just accepting Him, as Savior, we have to make Him the Lord of our life, too. For Jesus says, why do you call me Lord, Lord if you do not what I say? (Luke 6:46).

David did not make God His Lord when committed his sins of adultery and murder. David was not after God's heart when he did those sins. He needed to be restored back to God in order to have forgiveness and salvation again. We see in Psalms 51, David cry out for forgiveness for his sins. A man who is already forgiven (saved) would not cry out out for forgiveness. David asked for his salvation back. A man who is saved would not ask for his salvation back.