The question cessationists must answer.
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Did the foreigners hear a voice in their heads automatically translating a heavenly tongue, or did they hear the disciples speaking in their own languages? Scriptures tell us plainly what the foreigners heard:
Acts 2:6 "And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language."
It was the disciples who were speaking their languages, not a voice in their heads.
If that's not proof enough then look at verse 4. It says:
"they began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them".
The Greek word for tongues is glossa and any lexicon will tell you one of the meanings is 'languages'. The same word that appears in v11:
Acts 2:11 "Cretans and Arabs—we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.”
In v11 the word tongues is clearly referring to human languages. So to say that "tongues" in v4 means a heavenly language would contradict its usage in v11 where it clearly means human languages.
Notice also the plural tongues in verse 4. The disciples spoke in multiple languages, not a single heavenly language.
Verse 4 also us what the Holy Spirit did, and who he did it to - the Holy Spirit enabled the disciples to speak in other tongues (languages). There is no mention of the Spirit falling on the unregenerate crowd and performing a miracle of hearing in their ears. If there was this great miracle of automatic translation in the ears of the crowd Luke would have told us, not remain silent on such an important fact.
So there can be absolutely no doubt that the disciples spoke in foreign human languages.
When they spoke in tongues there were thousands of foreigners present. They were not in a room inside a house. It could only have been in the grounds of the Temple Courts where thousands of Jewish pilgrims had gathered for the Feast of Pentecost.
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IF one has still today the gift of tongues, would be a real language, not angelic gibberish, not a personal prayer language, but one to use for the local assembly, if someone there gifted to interpret it!
Charismatics many times do not even follow how the gift if real today is to be administered!
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Thirty-eight pages of proof from the Bible, and the cess. naysayers haven't learned a thing!
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I was a teaching Elder in the AOG before becoming a reformed Baptist, and cann assure you that many Charismatics are indeed saved, and want to experience the blessings of God, and are more scripture balanced than the WoF fridge is!
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The people who thought the disciples were drunk were the locals who didn't understood the languages spoken. We know this because Peter addresses them first in his sermon:
Acts 2:14 “Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words. For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, "
In the Temple Courts the only language that was expected to be heard was the language of the Temple (Hebrew). So when the local Jews, who were not expecting to hear any other language, heard a language they didn't recognize they naturally presumed they were drunk and were speaking gibberish.
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"... each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language."
SM said : It was the disciples who were speaking their languages, not a voice in their heads.
But the Bible does not say the disciples spoke foreign languages, it says the visitors HEARD THEM SPEAK in his own language. It is making the Bible say more than it actually does to say it had to be disciples SPEAKING IN those languages.
SM said : It was the disciples who were speaking their languages, not a voice in their heads.
But the Bible does not say the disciples spoke foreign languages, it says the visitors HEARD THEM SPEAK in his own language. It is making the Bible say more than it actually does to say it had to be disciples SPEAKING IN those languages.
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The word 'unknown' does not appear in the original Greek, it was added by KJV translators. Where in scripture does it say tongues was a heavenly language? Or anything other than foreign human languages?
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The Bible teaches that not all spiritual gifts ceased, but that no Prophets/Apostles are for today, and none have their sign gifts in operation. And how can the Holy Spirit be involved in the WoF Movement, as it holds to heresy, and not what he inspired in the scriptures to us?
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What did the visitors hear? The disciples speaking or a voice in their heads?
"each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language"
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This Church is more spiritual than WOF or any other modern church.
Acts 4:32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.
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