The Chosen Won't Pay Tithes or be Enslaved to the Antichrist (Goliath's reward)

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Note: I have updated this from the original post to reflect some helpful comments.

I was reading through First Samuel today and I noticed something in regards to the House of David. For those who are not familiar in First Samuel Chapter 17 there is a war going on between the Philistines and the Israelites. Goliath of Gath, the champion of the Philistines, has come down day after day challenging the Israelites to present a champion to fight him in mortal combat. Whoever wins, his people will enslave the people of the loser. David, who is ministering to his brothers in the Israelites' battle camp, hears word of this and of the reward for Goliath's defeat.

"And the king [Saul] will enrich the man who kills [Goliath] with great riches and will give him to his daughter and make his father's house free in Israel." (1 Samuel 17:25 ESV).

What does it mean to be free? It means that the house of David will not pay tithes unto King Saul nor will he nor any of his descendants be enslaved to King Saul. The Lord had warned all of Israel of the consequences of granting their request for a king, which the Lord did not bless.

"[He] will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen and to run before his chariots....He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive orchards and give them to his servants. He will take the tenth of your grain and of your vineyards and give it to his officers and servants. He will take your male servants and female servants and the best of your young men and your donkeys, and put them to his work. He will take the tenth of your flocks, and you shall be his slaves."(1 Samuel 8:11-17 ESV).

So David (precursor for the true Christ and a Christ archetype), blessed by the Lord and the Lord's chosen king, unlike Saul, who was given as a result of the people's worldly desire for a king and thereby rejection of God as their king (therefore a king of the world and a type of antichrist), slays Goliath and stands to gain the reward (1 Samuel 17:50). However, the wicked Saul does not give him the promised daughter (Merab; see 1 Samuel 18:19) but instead, as Laban deceived Jacob, Saul deceives David and gives him another daughter (Michal: see 1 Samuel 18:27), who he also later gives away to another man (1 Samuel 25:44). Please note that marrying into the family also puts David into the family line of Saul (notwithstanding Saul's sons) and would make him a potential heir to the throne.

Still, I believe these promises of the house of Saul stand in the eyes of God and therefore all of the House of David are free from their obligations to the house of Saul, which I believe metaphorically means the house of the Antichrist. Since Christ is of the House of David he was free. Since we have Christ in us, who is of the house of David, we are free from the claims of the house of Saul (the house of the Antichrist) as a reward for the death of Goliath. I believe this is part of the way we are considered "set apart" for God's purposes and also may play into the spirit of adoption which includes a negation in its definition, that is it is not a spirit of slavery.

Anyways this is my take but would be interested in others' thoughts.
 
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I was reading through First Samuel today and I noticed something in regards to the House of David. For those who are not familiar in First Samuel Chapter 17 there is a war going on between the Philistines and the Israelites. Goliath of Gath, the champion of the Philistines, has come down day after day challenging the Israelites to present a champion to fight him in mortal combat. Whoever wins, his people will enslave the people of the loser. David, who is ministering to his brothers in the Israelites' battle camp, hears word of this and of the reward for Goliath's defeat.

"And the king [Saul] will enrich the man who kills [Goliath] with great riches and will give him to his daughter and make his father's house free in Israel." (1 Samuel 17:25 ESV).

What does it mean to be free? It means that the house of David will not pay tithes unto King Saul nor will he nor any of his descendants be enslaved to King Saul. The Lord had warned all of Israel of the consequences of granting their request for a king, which the Lord did not bless.

"[He] will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen and to run before his chariots....He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive orchards and give them to his servants. He will take the tenth of your grain and of your vineyards and give it to his officers and servants. He will take your male servants and female servants and the best of your young men and your donkeys, and put them to his work. He will take the tenth of your flocks, and you shall be his slaves."(1 Samuel 8:11-17 ESV).

So David (precursor for the true Christ and a Christ archetype), blessed by the Lord and the Lord's chosen king, unlike Saul, who was given as a result of the people's worldly desire for a king and thereby rejection of God as their king (therefore a king of the world and a type of antichrist), slays Goliath and stands to gain the reward (1 Samuel 17:50). However, the wicked Saul does not give him the promised daughter (Merab; see 1 Samuel 18:19) but instead, as Laban deceived Jacob, Saul deceives David and gives him another daughter (Michal: see 1 Samuel 18:27), who he also later gives away to another man (1 Samuel 25:44). Please note that marrying into the family also puts David into the family line of Saul (notwithstanding Saul's sons) and would make him a potential heir to the throne.

Still, I believe these promises of the house of Saul stand in the eyes of God and therefore all of the House of David are free from their obligations to the house of Saul, which I believe metaphorically means the house of the Antichrist. Since Christ is of the House of David he was free. Since we have Christ in us, who is of the house of David, we are free from the claims of the house of Saul (the house of the Antichrist) as a reward for the death of Goliath. This is I believe why we have the seal on our foreheads (Revelation 7:4-8). This is the mark that says we are of the house of David and liberated from any claims of the house of Saul.

Anyways this is my take but would be interested in others' thoughts.
My view on tithing it was done away with at the same time the Levitical priesthood was done away with and that we give freely by New Testament law, now only dead men receive tithes. Some of those who pay tithes without the knowledge that by doing so they are being put back under the Yoke of Bondage may be saved since they are doing it out of ignorance.

My view on the seal has a lot to do with who enters the kingdom set up in the valley of the mountain. This is what I believe about why men are sealed.
Part 2
(5) Small stone of (Daniel 2:44-45)
(6) That was cut out without human hands (Ezekiel 9:5-11, Daniel 2:45) Isaiah 60:22 small one a strong nation
The small stone of Daniel is the First remnant, of the Great mountain(God's Church who was made up of both good trees and tares and brambles), who were sealed by God(because they bore good fruit). Those who were not sealed were the brambles and tares being purged from the Great mountain/Forest/Lord's Sanctuary in the Slaughter of Ezekiel 9.

(7) These are those that escape of them (Isaiah 66:18-19)
Those that escape of the Slaughter(144,000 who hold the pure virgin doctrine) who the Lord has set his mark upon will be sent out to all nations to all those who have not heard God's fame or seen his Glory.(Ezekiel 9:4, Revelation 9:4, Revelation 7:3)

(8) Who Gather in the chosen of God into the Kingdom of God (Isaiah 66:18-20, Ezekiel 11:16-20)
These are the people who Gather in all the brethren(2nd living harvest/brethren afar off)

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1. Revelation 7:3-4 Hurt not the earth neither the sea, neither the trees till the servants of God are sealed-
2. Revelation 14:1,4 these are they who are not defiled and are virgins with pure doctrine-
3. Ezekiel 9-3-4,11 Angel sent with an inkhorn to set the Lord's mark upon those who sigh and weep for the abominations done in the midst of his sanctuary/church-
4. Isaiah 66:19 sign set amongst his people-
5. Ezekiel 9:2,5-10 after the virgins with pure doctrine that sigh and weep are sealed six angels are sent to slay utterly the young and the old, the maids, little children, and women sparing only those who bear his mark, telling him to begin this slaughter at his sanctuary-Amos 9:9-10
6. Ezekiel 11:16 Wherever the people of God are(even in far off lands) the Lord will be a little sanctuary among them-
7. Acts 7:47-50; Acts 17:23-25; 1 Cor 3:8-11, 16-17; 1 Cor 6:13,15, 17-20; 1 John 3:24, 1 John 4:14-15; 2 Cor 6:16 we are each of us the temple of the Lord-
8. 1 Peter 2:5, Ephesians 2:19-22 being lively stones fitted together upon the foundation of the apostles and christ making up the Lord's Church/sanctuary/spiritual mountain-
9. Isaiah 4:2 those who escape of them will be called beautiful and glorious being the excellent and comely fruit of the earth-
10. Isaiah 1:27 Zion will be redeemed by this judgment and her converts with righteousness-
11. Isaiah 40:10, Isaiah 62:11, Isaiah 66:18 these peoples works shall be before them and their thoughts shall be known by God being judged worthy-Revelation 11:13, 12:17



30. Isaiah 56:1-7 only those who keep the Lord's Sabbath holy will be brought into the/his Holy Mountain.
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(11) The small Stone/Kingdom of (Daniel 2:44)
(12) Becomes a great mountain (Daniel 2:35;Isaiah 60:22)
Everyone of the Lively stones(people of God) are fitted together upon the small stone(144,000 Sealed by God) becoming the Great mountain/kingdom of God.
(13) That causes the world government to fall (Daniel 2:35; Jeremiah 51:19-20; Isaiah 60:12,16,22)

These are my views on why I believe the people are sealed in the last days.
 
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My view on tithing it was done away with at the same time the Levitical priesthood was done away with and that we give freely by New Testament law, now only dead men receive tithes. Some of those who pay tithes without the knowledge that by doing so they are being put back under the Yoke of Bondage may be saved since they are doing it out of ignorance.

My view on the seal has a lot to do with who enters the kingdom set up in the valley of the mountain. This is what I believe about why men are sealed.
Part 2
(5) Small stone of (Daniel 2:44-45)
(6) That was cut out without human hands (Ezekiel 9:5-11, Daniel 2:45) Isaiah 60:22 small one a strong nation
The small stone of Daniel is the First remnant, of the Great mountain(God's Church who was made up of both good trees and tares and brambles), who were sealed by God(because they bore good fruit). Those who were not sealed were the brambles and tares being purged from the Great mountain/Forest/Lord's Sanctuary in the Slaughter of Ezekiel 9.

(7) These are those that escape of them (Isaiah 66:18-19)
Those that escape of the Slaughter(144,000 who hold the pure virgin doctrine) who the Lord has set his mark upon will be sent out to all nations to all those who have not heard God's fame or seen his Glory.(Ezekiel 9:4, Revelation 9:4, Revelation 7:3)

(8) Who Gather in the chosen of God into the Kingdom of God (Isaiah 66:18-20, Ezekiel 11:16-20)
These are the people who Gather in all the brethren(2nd living harvest/brethren afar off)

______________________________________________________
1. Revelation 7:3-4 Hurt not the earth neither the sea, neither the trees till the servants of God are sealed-
2. Revelation 14:1,4 these are they who are not defiled and are virgins with pure doctrine-
3. Ezekiel 9-3-4,11 Angel sent with an inkhorn to set the Lord's mark upon those who sigh and weep for the abominations done in the midst of his sanctuary/church-
4. Isaiah 66:19 sign set amongst his people-
5. Ezekiel 9:2,5-10 after the virgins with pure doctrine that sigh and weep are sealed six angels are sent to slay utterly the young and the old, the maids, little children, and women sparing only those who bear his mark, telling him to begin this slaughter at his sanctuary-Amos 9:9-10
6. Ezekiel 11:16 Wherever the people of God are(even in far off lands) the Lord will be a little sanctuary among them-
7. Acts 7:47-50; Acts 17:23-25; 1 Cor 3:8-11, 16-17; 1 Cor 6:13,15, 17-20; 1 John 3:24, 1 John 4:14-15; 2 Cor 6:16 we are each of us the temple of the Lord-
8. 1 Peter 2:5, Ephesians 2:19-22 being lively stones fitted together upon the foundation of the apostles and christ making up the Lord's Church/sanctuary/spiritual mountain-
9. Isaiah 4:2 those who escape of them will be called beautiful and glorious being the excellent and comely fruit of the earth-
10. Isaiah 1:27 Zion will be redeemed by this judgment and her converts with righteousness-
11. Isaiah 40:10, Isaiah 62:11, Isaiah 66:18 these peoples works shall be before them and their thoughts shall be known by God being judged worthy-Revelation 11:13, 12:17



30. Isaiah 56:1-7 only those who keep the Lord's Sabbath holy will be brought into the/his Holy Mountain.
_____________________________________________________
(11) The small Stone/Kingdom of (Daniel 2:44)
(12) Becomes a great mountain (Daniel 2:35;Isaiah 60:22)
Everyone of the Lively stones(people of God) are fitted together upon the small stone(144,000 Sealed by God) becoming the Great mountain/kingdom of God.
(13) That causes the world government to fall (Daniel 2:35; Jeremiah 51:19-20; Isaiah 60:12,16,22)

These are my views on why I believe the people are sealed in the last days.

I guess I'm not really being clear about tithes but I had meant more "spiritual" types of tithes kind of as if worship were a form of "tithe." King Saul had the right to take of all the people of Israel of those he wanted, a form of "tithe" in my opinion. He could also enslave them. But the house of David is free from this right of the house of Saul so all of the house of David (and consequently all those in Christ Jesus who is the son of David) are "free." Does that make sense?
 
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I guess I'm not really being clear about tithes but I had meant more "spiritual" types of tithes kind of as if worship were a form of "tithe." King Saul had the right to take of all the people of Israel of those he wanted, a form of "tithe" in my opinion. He could also enslave them. But the house of David is free from this right of the house of Saul so all of the house of David (and consequently all those in Christ Jesus who is the son of David) are "free." Does that make sense?
Oh okay, that's my bad.
So for clarification our worship is a type of tithe in your opinion, sort of like the spiritual sacrifices offered up in(1 Peter 2:5)?

As to the right of Saul, and David being free I can see what your saying. My thoughts are these: the government of Saul was a worldly government that did not harken unto the will of God(as all world governments do) and David ruled by the will of God(making it a Godly nation). After Saul was succeeded by David his line ended and the Nation was free from his will. This may well be a type for Christ and his righteous kingdom anti-typically overcoming the world governments/Satan's Kingdom.

I will have to read more into it before making a decision but as it stands right now I see some truth in the types and antitypes of Saul and the world governments/Satan. And between David and Christ and his kingdom.

The mark given to the 144,000 has more to it than this though, it is given only to those who do not bow to the beast, who keep God's law, who are virgins having a pure doctrine, and who sigh and weep for the abominations done within the church.
 
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Oh okay, that's my bad.
So for clarification our worship is a type of tithe in your opinion, sort of like the spiritual sacrifices offered up in(1 Peter 2:5)?

As to the right of Saul, and David being free I can see what your saying. My thoughts are these: the government of Saul was a worldly government that did not harken unto the will of God(as all world governments do) and David ruled by the will of God(making it a Godly nation). After Saul was succeeded by David his line ended and the Nation was free from his will. This may well be a type for Christ and his righteous kingdom anti-typically overcoming the world governments/Satan's Kingdom.

I will have to read more into it before making a decision but as it stands right now I see some truth in the types and antitypes of Saul and the world governments/Satan. And between David and Christ and his kingdom.

The mark given to the 144,000 has more to it than this though, it is given only to those who do not bow to the beast, who keep God's law, who are virgins having a pure doctrine, and who sigh and weep for the abominations done within the church.

Thanks for these comments. I am going to amend my post.
 
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One more question. What if we fleshed out my original post more and made the argument that Goliath was a type for the Devil, who was threatening all of God's people (at the time Israel but now the Church) and David was a precursor for Jesus who, through his faith destroyed Goliath for he was not intimidated by him while Saul, a precursor for the false shepherd/antichrist, did not have faith and therefore cowered in fear and abandoned his sheep (Israel/the Church) instead of going out to face Goliath?
 
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One more question. What if we fleshed out my original post more and made the argument that Goliath was a type for the Devil, who was threatening all of God's people (at the time Israel but now the Church) and David was a precursor for Jesus who, through his faith destroyed Goliath for he was not intimidated by him while Saul, a precursor for the false shepherd/antichrist, did not have faith and therefore cowered in fear and abandoned his sheep (Israel/the Church) instead of going out to face Goliath?
Now that I don't really know about, there are a lot of types and anti types injected into the story that way that may or may not be there. I'm not saying it's wrong but personally I feel you would have a hard time proving each of them beyond a doubt. That's just my opinion though.
 
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Now that I don't really know about, there are a lot of types and anti types injected into the story that way that may or may not be there. I'm not saying it's wrong but personally I feel you would have a hard time proving each of them beyond a doubt. That's just my opinion though.

Oh yeah could not prove it really more just speculation. But it was something that came to me so I thought I would ask. I'm just trying to figure out what the potential symbolic meaning there is in the interplay between Goliath, David and Saul.
 
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Oh yeah could not prove it really more just speculation. But it was something that came to me so I thought I would ask. I'm just trying to figure out what the potential symbolic meaning there is in the interplay between Goliath, David and Saul.
I understand what your going for, and I hope you are guided to the full meaning of it all.

May God bring you to the truth and light of his word.
 
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