Should Christians Carry Guns?

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Being killed for his namesake is being killed for following his law. His law says we are to recompense no man evil for evil, do harm to no man, and love our neighbour without doing him any harm. Follow his law until death, that is his commandment.

You missed what I said. If you're not being killed for being a Christian, but for some reason, then you're not being killed for his namesake. You're being killed so the criminal can become a gang member, or get your stuff, or eliminate a witness to his crime, or to just get you out of the way. I told you this before.
 
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I did not say that He always uses people, but He sometimes uses people to both averge us and help us. Just like with cancer. I can go to the doctor and receive treatment that God has blessed people with the mind to come up with.
He uses wicked people to avenge, but not the righteous. And the Lord can heal your cancer if you have faith or you can go to the doctor and have faith in the medicine but either way if you are healed it is by the Lord's will and your faith.
 
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Yes the Lord will provide us with the means to eat and be clothed, but again it is only by our own desires that we decide to get other things and therefore need to work more than we would have for only food and clothing.
but if you do not work you do not eat. The Lord will not provide for you if you will not provide for yourself.
 
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You missed what I said. If you're not being killed for being a Christian, but for some reason, then you're not being killed for his namesake. You're being killed so the criminal can become a gang member, or get your stuff, or eliminate a witness to his crime, or to just get you out of the way. I told you this before.
I would winner that a million times if I could. If you are not being killed as a DIRECT result of claiming Him you are not dying for His namesake.
 
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but if you do not work you do not eat. The Lord will not provide for you if you will not provide for yourself.
As I said the Lord provides the means for food and ramnent whether by a job or other means, anything more you must work for yourself(tv, house, etc).
 
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He uses wicked people to avenge, but not the righteous. And the Lord can heal your cancer if you have faith or you can go to the doctor and have faith in the medicine but either way if you are healed it is by the Lord's will and your faith.

And if a person doesn't go to a doctor and ends up dying, did he die because he didn't have enough faith in the Lord, or is it because he didn't put faith in medicine?

BTW, is it "wicked" to put faith in medicine?
 
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The Lord has said otherwise. Show the verse where it says we are to kill to protect our bodies of flesh.
Self defense is not violating God's law nor is asking the government to do it for us. Paul did it in the new testament Jesus even did it.
 
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God does not expect us to be doormats and in fact expects us to love others and sometimes that can ( in fact) mean harming others.
He never said we are allowed to harm but instead said we are to do no harm.
Luke 3:14
14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
 
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As I said the Lord provides the means for food and ramnent whether by a job or other means, anything more you must work for yourself(tv, house, etc).
You are not undering my point. He provides the means if we choose not to use them He will not provide for us any now .
 
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Self defense is not violating God's law nor is asking the government to do it for us. Paul did it in the new testament Jesus even did it.
When did Paul attack and kill someone while saved?
 
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You are not undering my point. He provides the means if we choose not to use them He will not provide for us any now .
And I said if he provides a job then work for food and ramnent and be content with what he has provided.
 
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And I said if he provides a job then work for food and ramnent and be content with what he has provided.
and if you choose not to work do not expect Him to provide was MY point.
 
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If that were the case why would Jesus asks His followers to buy a sword? They were going to tell people about Him not going out hunting.
he said nothing about defending oneself. This is what he was speaking of when he said:
35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

He that carried the purse and script was Judas(he was the only one with those things) he was speaking to what Judas would later do in turning him in
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
John 12:4-6
4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

John 13:29
29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

When he told he that had not the sword to buy the sword he spoke of peter who would draw up the sword
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: andhe that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Matt 26:51-54
51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

John 18:10-11
10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.
11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

This was said to them because all that was spoken of him must be fulfilled.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough."

He spoke of what needed to be fulfilled of him not of self defense.
 
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He did not do so directly, but he DID use the government for His protection. As opposed to just letting them beat him.

That's right, when he asked if it was permitted to beat a Roman citizen. Too bad. He should have just let it happen and say, "It must be the Lord's will that I suffer". But instead, he used what he had. In this case, it was his citizenship and what it meant under Roman law.
 
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he said nothing about defending oneself. This is what he was speaking of when he said:
35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

He that carried the purse and script was Judas(he was the only one with those things) he was speaking to what Judas would later do in turning him in
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
John 12:4-6
4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

John 13:29
29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.

When he told he that had not the sword to buy the sword he spoke of peter who would draw up the sword
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: andhe that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Matt 26:51-54
51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

John 18:10-11
10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.
11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

This was said to them because all that was spoken of him must be fulfilled.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough."

He spoke of what needed to be fulfilled of him not of self defense.
and what do you think the swords were to be used for if they are going into an area with people?
 
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