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If Jesus knows my need's before I can think of them, why do I need to ask him in the first place? Even my prayers for other's he knows ahead of time. But for some reason I've got to pretend that my prayer requests are new to his ears. I forget that I'm having a conversation with a being who already knows what will happen or not.

I believe that Jesus will either move on my prayer's or not, but in reality he's already decided long before I was born what he will do or not.

Say I ask Jesus to heal my neighbour of her migraines, well Jesus will either heal her or not. But Jesus already knows if he will or will not heal her, so what difference does it make when I ask him to heal her. Jesus is going to do or not do what he planned long ago, so my prayer's aren't going to change his plan.

Right?

I mean why pray about something that you can't actually effect. Christians really think that Jesus has answered their prayers, but in reality he has only done what he planned long ago.

Yes, very confusing.
 

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If Jesus knows my need's before I can think of them, why do I need to ask him in the first place? Even my prayers for other's he knows ahead of time. But for some reason I've got to pretend that my prayer requests are new to his ears. I forget that I'm having a conversation with a being who already knows what will happen or not.

I believe that Jesus will either move on my prayer's or not, but in reality he's already decided long before I was born what he will do or not.

Say I ask Jesus to heal my neighbour of her migraines, well Jesus will either heal her or not. But Jesus already knows if he will or will not heal her, so what difference does it make when I ask him to heal her. Jesus is going to do or not do what he planned long ago, so my prayer's aren't going to change his plan.

Right?

I mean why pray about something that you can't actually effect. Christians really think that Jesus has answered their prayers, but in reality he has only done what he planned long ago.

Yes, very confusing.
Prayer doesn't change the future, it aligns us with it. If God gives us faith when we pray about something, it tells us he planned to give us the provision. If faith is absent, it means he did not.
 
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Prayer doesn't change the future, it aligns us with it. If God gives us faith when we pray about something, it tells us he planned to give us the provision. If faith is absent, it means he did not.
Aligned, meaning you pray about thing's in Gods will. So why pretend that Jesus has answered your prayers when he has just done what he planned long ago, he's not changing his plan for you. So are your prayers really been answered, or is Jesus just going along with the script.
 
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Aligned, meaning you pray about thing's in Gods will. So why pretend that Jesus has answered your prayers when he has just done what he planned long ago, he's not changing his plan for you. So are your prayers really been answered, or is Jesus just going along with the script.
You don't understand the nature pf prayer. Nothing changes the future. But God uses different means to maneuver us into position so we fulfill our part in it. Prayer is just one means.
 
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If Jesus knows my need's before I can think of them, why do I need to ask him in the first place? Even my prayers for other's he knows ahead of time. But for some reason I've got to pretend that my prayer requests are new to his ears. I forget that I'm having a conversation with a being who already knows what will happen or not.

I believe that Jesus will either move on my prayer's or not, but in reality he's already decided long before I was born what he will do or not.

Say I ask Jesus to heal my neighbour of her migraines, well Jesus will either heal her or not. But Jesus already knows if he will or will not heal her, so what difference does it make when I ask him to heal her. Jesus is going to do or not do what he planned long ago, so my prayer's aren't going to change his plan.

Right?

I mean why pray about something that you can't actually effect. Christians really think that Jesus has answered their prayers, but in reality he has only done what he planned long ago.

Yes, very confusing.

Prayer is worship. We do need to ask. Prayer builds our faith in God.

John 16:26

In that day you will ask in My name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf.

1 John 5:14-15
And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

according to His will ... many times we do not know what that is

Romans 8

22For we know that the whole creation groans together and travails together until now. 23And not only so, but we ourselves, even having the firstfruit of the Spirit, also groan ourselves in ourselves, awaiting divine adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope being seen is no hope; for does anyone hope for what he sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, we await in patience.

26Now likewise also, the Spirit joins to help us in weakness; for we do not know the things which we should pray for as it behooves, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession with inexpressible groanings. 27And the One searching hearts knows what is the mindset of the Spirit, because He intercedes for the saints according to God.

We need to believe, we can not believe without faith, prayer builds our faith and is our testimony of love and reverence for God, our creator and our complete trust (faith) in Him.

Isaiah 55

9“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,

so My ways are higher than your ways

and My thoughts than your thoughts.

Love, Trust, Believe - Jesus - Eternity

God Bless.
 
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You don't understand the nature pf prayer. Nothing changes the future. But God uses different means to maneuver us into position so we fulfill our part in it. Prayer is just one means.
But why ask for specific thing's that you hope is in Gods will? If you can't change his mind or change the outcome of something then your prayer's are never really answered.

An answered prayer is something Jesus has done for you. Like if I asked my friend to buy me a pizza because I had no food for the night and he answered my request, then I could claim that I had that request met due to my action. But if my friend already knew ahead of time I would ask for a pizza, then my request means nothing.
 
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If Jesus knows my need's before I can think of them, why do I need to ask him in the first place? Even my prayers for other's he knows ahead of time. But for some reason I've got to pretend that my prayer requests are new to his ears. I forget that I'm having a conversation with a being who already knows what will happen or not.

I believe that Jesus will either move on my prayer's or not, but in reality he's already decided long before I was born what he will do or not.

Say I ask Jesus to heal my neighbour of her migraines, well Jesus will either heal her or not. But Jesus already knows if he will or will not heal her, so what difference does it make when I ask him to heal her. Jesus is going to do or not do what he planned long ago, so my prayer's aren't going to change his plan.

Right?

I mean why pray about something that you can't actually effect. Christians really think that Jesus has answered their prayers, but in reality he has only done what he planned long ago.

Yes, very confusing.


Question: "Why pray? What is the point of prayer when God knows the future and is already in control of everything? If we cannot change God's mind, why should we pray?"

Answer:
For the Christian, praying is supposed to be like breathing, easier to do than to not do. We pray for a variety of reasons. For one thing, prayer is a form of serving God (Luke 2:36-38) and obeying Him. We pray because God commands us to pray (Philippians 4:6-7). Prayer is exemplified for us by Christ and the early church (Mark 1:35; Acts 1:14; 2:42; 3:1; 4:23-31; 6:4; 13:1-3). If Jesus thought it was worthwhile to pray, we should also. If He needed to pray to remain in the Father’s will, how much more do we need to pray?

Another reason to pray is that God intends prayer to be the means of obtaining His solutions in a number of situations. We pray in preparation for major decisions (Luke 6:12-13); to overcome demonic barriers (Matthew 17:14-21); to gather workers for the spiritual harvest (Luke 10:2); to gain strength to overcome temptation (Matthew 26:41); and to obtain the means of strengthening others spiritually (Ephesians 6:18-19).

We come to God with our specific requests, and we have God's promise that our prayers are not in vain, even if we do not receive specifically what we asked for (Matthew 6:6; Romans 8:26-27). He has promised that when we ask for things that are in accordance with His will, He will give us what we ask for (1 John 5:14-15). Sometimes He delays His answers according to His wisdom and for our benefit. In these situations, we are to be diligent and persistent in prayer (Matthew 7:7; Luke 18:1-8). Prayer should not be seen as our means of getting God to do our will on earth, but rather as a means of getting God's will done on earth. God’s wisdom far exceeds our own.

For situations in which we do not know God's will specifically, prayer is a means of discerning His will. If the Syrian woman with the demon-influenced daughter had not prayed to Christ, her daughter would not have been made whole (Mark 7:26-30). If the blind man outside Jericho had not called out to Christ, he would have remained blind (Luke 18:35-43). God has said that we often go without because we do not ask (James 4:2). In one sense, prayer is like sharing the gospel with people. We do not know who will respond to the message of the gospel until we share it. In the same way, we will never see the results of answered prayer unless we pray.

A lack of prayer demonstrates a lack of faith and a lack of trust in God’s Word. We pray to demonstrate our faith in God, that He will do as He has promised in His Word and bless our lives abundantly more than we could ask or hope for (Ephesians 3:20). Prayer is our primary means of seeing God work in others' lives. Because it is our means of “plugging into” God's power, it is our means of defeating Satan and his army that we are powerless to overcome by ourselves. Therefore, may God find us often before His throne, for we have a high priest in heaven who can identify with all that we go through (Hebrews 4:15-16). We have His promise that the fervent prayer of a righteous man accomplishes much (James 5:16-18). May God glorify His name in our lives as we believe in Him enough to come to Him often in prayer.

www.gotquestions.org/why-pray.html

What are some hindrances to a potent prayer life?
 
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The will of Jesus is to do what he planned, are you saying you can somehow change or effect Jesus will?
Are you referring to God's secret will or to what He has revealed for us to do on our part?
 
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Aligned, meaning you pray about thing's in Gods will. So why pretend that Jesus has answered your prayers when he has just done what he planned long ago, he's not changing his plan for you. So are your prayers really been answered, or is Jesus just going along with the script.

And what is God's will? Can you explain it or point to scriptures? People tend to throw around that term, and not actually know what God's will actually is.
 
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God is interested in searching the heart - to give a man according to the fruit of his ways. "The heart is treacherous (ie: dangerous, risky), who can know it? .. I, Adonai, search (searching.. as in, He is looking to find something there) the heart. I try the mind in order to give every man according to the fruit of his ways". (Jeremiah 17:10).

Reading in this, it goes a long way to answering your question, because what is in a man's heart cannot be known until it is manifested. Then, if our heart brings joy to God, He will desire to bless us - a voice thundered from heaven when Jesus was baptised: "This my son, in whom I delight. Hear him!".

In a similar way, because the heart is desperate and incurable, we must guard our heart so that corruption doesn't enter into it and thereby tempt us to go down a path of deceit that causes us to become something that God does not delight in. (consider: Proverbs 4:23, Ecclesiastes 7:21-22, James 4:8).
 
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But why ask for specific thing's that you hope is in Gods will? If you can't change his mind or change the outcome of something then your prayer's are never really answered.

An answered prayer is something Jesus has done for you. Like if I asked my friend to buy me a pizza because I had no food for the night and he answered my request, then I could claim that I had that request met due to my action. But if my friend already knew ahead of time I would ask for a pizza, then my request means nothing.
Your action is part of God's plan. It was inevitable that you acted according to the script he wrote for your life.
 
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I think your brain has left the building Dave. You seem to be giving answers that debunk your theology, not defend it.
“In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:” (Ephesians 1:11) (KJV 1900)
 
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