Trump calls WW1 ‘One of the bloodiest and worst of all time’

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And failing.

Perhaps, but at this point, I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect him to succeed at anything remotely approaching somber eloquence. Appreciate the effort as something better than normal and move on.
 
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In WW I after almost three years of neutrality the USA finally joined Canada and the other allies to defeat Germany. The US expeditionary force fought as a unified force under its own command for only the last 47 days to help finish off a Germany that was already reeling on the edge of defeat. In that war the Germans came to regard the Canadians as the shock troops of the allied armies. Then and now Canada is a nation of about 10% the population of the USA. In that war on a per capita basis Canada suffered 10 times the casualties of the USA.

Who remembers now the Battle of Amiens in August, 1918? Yet it was this battle that broke the spirit of the German army in the West. German troops broke and ran before a Canadian and led assault: the first German rout of the war. Between August and November, Canadians spearheaded a sequence of attacks that destroyed the German army's will to fight.

Those battles -- collectively known as the Hundred Days -- have been brilliantly summarized in a short book, Shane Schreiber's Shock Army of the British Empire.

By Schreiber's tally, the 100,000 Canadians who fought in the Hundred Days met almost one quarter of the entire remaining German army on their Western Front: 47 German divisions against four Canadians. The Canadian Corps fought alongside the Australian Corps and the 51st Highland Division. Together they engaged and defeated some 40 per cent of the German army.

Over those three months, the Canadians suffered more than 45,000 casualties, killed and wounded -- or about as many as in the whole year from D-Day to VE Day in World War II.

Being a Canadian, of course, Schreiber underscores his point with a final statistical comparison to the U.S. forces in the Meuse-Argonne region on the southern portion of the Western front.

Troops engaged:


Americans: 650,000
Canadians: 105,000

Duration of Operations
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Americans: 47 days
Canadians: 100 days

Maximum Distance Advanced:


Americans: 34 miles
Canadians: 86 miles

German Divisions Defeated:
(Out of a total of 200)

Americans: 46
Canadians: 47

Average Number of Casualties Suffered per German Division Defeated
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Americans: 2,170
Canadians: 975

Total Casualties:

Americans: 100,000
Canadians: 45,830

"The ultimate conclusion that must be drawn," Schreiber sums up, "is that ... the Canadian Corps was able to make a highly significant contribution to the defeat of the German army on the battlefield at precisely half the cost in terms of life and limb as the American army."

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One factor that makes WW1 more complicated is that the leaders of the European combatant nations were all relatives. Kaiser Wilhelm and King George V were 1st cousins--both were grandsons of Queen Victoria. And the mothers of George and Czar Nicholas were sisters, making them 1st cousins. Not to mention that the Czar's wife, Alexandra, was another grandchild of Queen Victoria. It probably is safe to say that WW1 was the bloodiest family feud in history.
 
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Had it not been for the Spanish flu, WWI would have been the first war in which more combatants died in combat than of disease (or so I've read).

That makes me think of the statistics from the Civil War.
Statistics on the Civil War and Medicine | eHISTORY
110,100 Union soldiers died in battle: 67,088 KIA, 43,012 MW.
224,580 died of disease.
30,192 died as prisoners of war
24,881 died of non-battle causes

Confederate KIA and MW 94,000
Died of disease 164,000
Died as prisoners of war 31,000
 
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German Divisions Defeated:
(Out of a total of 200)

Americans: 46
Canadians: 47

These numbers and similar, greater numbers from WWII always leave me awestruck. The U.S. Army currently has 19 Combat divisions of which 11 are active duty and 8 are reserve components. Even during the post-Vietnam Cold War era I don't think we had more than 30 divisions total.
 
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These numbers and similar, greater numbers from WWII always leave me awestruck. The U.S. Army currently has 19 Combat divisions of which 11 are active duty and 8 are reserve components. Even during the post-Vietnam Cold War era I don't think we had more than 30 divisions total.
Those divisions were propably already way beneath normal strength due to many years of trench warfare.
 
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Those divisions were propably already way beneath normal strength due to many years of trench warfare.
Some perspective, the first day of the Somme saw almost as many casualties as the 4 years of the American civil war.
 
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In WW1 you are left astonished by the stupidity and insensitivity of the high command and the amazing bravery of the soldiers. At the battle of Beaumont Hamel 900 men of the Newfoundland Regiment went over the top straight into a firestorm. Only 120 were able to answer roll call the next morning.
 
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ok Don’t know where I got that figure:doh::doh: the Somme in 4 months of fighting saw over a million casualties, including wounded.

Now that sounds right. Figured you were just misstating something. Both the American Civil War and WWI suffered from the same problems which led to some horrific casualty numbers - they were fighting with the current generation of weapons but using tactics from a generation or three earlier.
 
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Do you not understand what this phrase means?

...which was one of the bloodiest and worst of all time?

In addition some 40 million people died as a direct consequence of World War One. Number vary, but some 65 to 70 million died as a direct consequence of World War Two.

Therefore please tell us what is incorrect about the above quoted statement.
 
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