IS THE LORD'S DAY REALLY SUNDAY OR GOD'S SABBATH DAY?

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But another time he is wrong.

Not really brother where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY? Where is the scripture that says that the LORD'S DAY is SUNDAY? *Hint?? There is none. Who should we believe the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God or the WORD of GOD? *MATTHEW 15:3-9; ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29.
 
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No. The RCC did not exist until the 4th century.

Sorry brother history disagrees with you. In the 4th Century that is when the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH became the official religion of ROME. The early Church started back with Jesus and the Apostles. According to tradition, the history of the Catholic Church begins with Jesus Christ and his teachings (c. 4 BC – c. AD 30) (Wiki History of the Roman Catholic Church)
 
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Sorry brother history disagrees with you. In the 4th Century that is when the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH became the official religion of ROME. The early Church started back with Jesus and the Apostles. According to tradition, the history of the Catholic Church begins with Jesus Christ and his teachings (c. 4 BC – c. AD 30) (Wiki History of the Roman Catholic Church)

The early church was catholic but it was not Roman until the 4th century.
 
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Not really brother where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY? Where is the scripture that says that the LORD'S DAY is SUNDAY? *Hint?? There is none. Who should we believe the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God or the WORD of GOD? *MATTHEW 15:3-9; ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29.

I proved to you by using the writings of the ECF that Sunday is the Lord’s Day.
 
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Exactly what I have been telling you; the RCC did not exist during the early church period. The early church was not Roman.

Goodness brother. They are part of the same Church they are not different to each other. The only difference is that it became officially accepted by Pagan ROME in 380 AD. According to tradition, the history of the Catholic Church begins with Jesus Christ and his teachings (c. 4 BC – c. AD 30) (Wiki History of the Roman Catholic Church)
 
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Goodness brother. They are part of the same Church they are not different to each other.

Actually they are different. You seriously have no clue do you. The catholic church is not the same thing as the RCC.
 
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Your comments are not based on scripture and you are speaking your own words over God's WORD.

Why do you keep repeating that, it means nothing. My comment on that was for you to post how you concluded that, and after my asking several times you never would do it. So what do you mean my comments are not scriptural when you basically refused to discuss it, so we could even get to the point of using scripture. Very weird comment.


I see, you are not guilty of sin, but you wanted scripture, correct?

"All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God" All but you anyway. OH my, again some here take you even less seriously with comment like that.

You are mistaken.

There you go again making a comment and not telling me what exactly was my mistake. Can you please do that now? You do that a lot. What exactly was I mistaken about, and how so?

Well that is not true brother. Try reading the scriptures * ROMANS 11:13-26. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Again, I asked you as specific question on that and you did the usual, skipped answering it because you cannot, thus you draw a wrong conclusion from that scripture if you cannot point out how is says what you say it says. That is the problem with many of your/SDA's conclusions, when we get into the details of how they came about those conclusions, they fall apart/you cannot back them, but I'll give you another shot at it.

Here is the question again:

How do you conclude that from that scripture?

Meaning how do you draw conclusion that is about Israel, when Israel is never once mentioned there. Please go back and read it in context and answer the question.

I'm for the moment giving you the benefit of the doubt, but unless you can answer that simple question, you stand guilty of making things up, things that supposedly support your end conclusions making them false/made up as well because you use false statements to support those conclusions.
 
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None of the scriptures you have provided here in your post says that God's 4th commandment is notw Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day now do they?
but I never said any of this. You offer less support for your argument and ignore very clear values presented in scripture, not to mention put words in my mouth. How can I continue a conversation when there is such deception and ill-presentation of scripture?
 
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OH my, again some here take you even less seriously with comment like that.

I can’t take this guy seriously. He repeats the same tripe never endlessly and has no knowledge of church history.
 
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Why do you keep repeating that, it means nothing. My comment on that was for you to post how you concluded that, and after my asking several times you never would do it. So what do you mean my comments are not scriptural when you basically refused to discuss it, so we could even get to the point of using scripture. Very weird comment.

Why would you think I have refused to discuss anying? I have provided scripture for all my posts. What have you provided in support of yours? Please feel free to address my posts and show me why it is you disagree with the scriptures provided. If you cannot why do you not agree with God's WORD?

I see, you are not guilty of sin, but you wanted scripture, correct? "All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God" All but you anyway. OH my, again some here take you even less seriously with comment like that.

Kenny the scripture says all have sinned (past tense). It is not saying we are free to continue in known sin. Those who continue in known unrepentant sin do not know God and this is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-9. Those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27. Jesus came to save us from sin not in sin *JOHN 8:31-36.

There you go again making a comment and not telling me what exactly was my mistake. Can you please do that now? You do that a lot. What exactly was I mistaken about, and how so?

I did. You left it out of the post you were responding to. Your mistaken in your interpretation of what sin is. God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break anyone of them we stand guilty before GOD of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. Those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin do not enter the kingdom of GOD *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the GIFT of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. Niether do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4. This was already posted to you. It seems you chose to ignore God's Word.

Again, I asked you as specific question on that and you did the usual, skipped answering it because you cannot, thus you draw a wrong conclusion from that scripture if you cannot point out how is says what you say it says. That is the problem with many of your/SDA's conclusions, when we get into the details of how they came about those conclusions, they fall apart/you cannot back them, but I'll give you another shot at it.

Here is the question again: How do you conclude that from that scripture?

Meaning how do you draw conclusion that is about Israel, when Israel is never once mentioned there. Please go back and read it in context and answer the question.

Kenny don't pretend your question was not answered brother. I highlighted v26 was talking about ISRAEL. v13-26 is discussing God's people ISRAEL as a tree connected to CHRIST as the root v18 and that those in UNBELIEF were broken off v20 so that the GENTILES could be GRAFTED in among them v13-20. Who is them? ISRAEL v17-26. This was than connected to the NEW COVENANT promise.

HEBREWS 8:10-12
[10], For THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days, said the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

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NOTE: The above in ROMANS 11:13-26 already show that Gentile believers are now GRAFTED IN to GOD'S ISRAEL. HEBREWS 8:10-12 also shows that if you are not a part of GOD'S ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT! Now brother do you need more scripture??? Let's look at more scripture shall we showing who God's ISRAEL is in the NEW COVENANT.

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GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

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God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

Hope that is enough scripture for you brother.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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but I never said any of this. You offer less support for your argument and ignore very clear values presented in scripture, not to mention put words in my mouth. How can I continue a conversation when there is such deception and ill-presentation of scripture?

Not really brother I have provided God's WORD as my support. No one else can show that the LORD'S DAY is SUNDAY from God's WORD or can anyone show the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY. Please by all means show me where I have posted anything that is deception or else retract your statement. If I only present God's WORD to you why do you call it deception and why do you not believe it?
 
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I can’t take this guy seriously. He repeats the same tripe never endlessly and has no knowledge of church history.

Well that has no truth in it brother, you have been provided scripture and it disagrees with you. Neither do you respond to any of my posts to you to show where in God's WORD does it say God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY or where is the scripture that says the LORD'S DAY is SUNDAY? I know why because there is none but you will not admit it. It is ok brother we will have to agree to disagree. You have been provided with God's WORD. In return you have provided none. I think that speaks volumes.

We also seem to have a different understanding of history as well as shown in the references provided to you earlier. Let me know when you have some scriptures to share and we will have a discussion?
 
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Well that has no truth in it brother, you have been provided scripture and it disagrees with you. Neither do you respond to any of my posts to you. It is ok brother we will have to agree to disagree. You have been provided with God's WORD. In return you have provided none.

We also seem to have a different understanding of history as well as shown in the references provided to you earlier. Let me know when you have some scriptures to share and we will have a discussion?

I provided you scriptures but you disregarded them.
 
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I provided you scriptures but you disregarded them.

Really which ones? Please I will ask you again..

Where in God's WORD does it say God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY and where is the scripture that says the LORD'S DAY is SUNDAY? If you cannot admit that there is no scripture why do you pretend that you have provided scripture that does not exist?
 
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can anyone show the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
 
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