The great divide...

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I think it's funny that Jason thinks he is going to be greatly rewarded by his works of darkness that are parading itself, and himself, around as light, when it is not, but it is darkness...

Matthew 6:23, But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great that darkness is!

How does one tell the light from the darkness...? The darkness is OC, and the OC way or "your own" works, "your own" self-effort, "your own" will, apart or separate from God, the OC way of establishing "your own righteousness" without and apart from God, instead of God's righteousness apart from your own, or "your own" self-righteousness... Instead of laying yourself down, your own pride and ego, for solidifying and establishing God's true righteousness and not your own, in the minds and hearts of others...

That "Old Way" is all dead, and leads to much evil, and all kinds of evil, and can be the absolute worst kind of evil...

God Bless!
Look, I've tried that Old way, and it doesn't work, not at all, and it's not light, it is darkness... I get up in arms about this, cause I want the sin issue/problems to become or get better also, as I think many of you do as well, cause that would be light... But, the Old way does nothing to or for the sin issue/problem(s), and actually makes them heack of a lot worse, and that's why it is darkness and not light, yet parades itself around as light, but is not the true light...

And I do not want you all to be deceived about this either...

John 3:19 “And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." (John 3:19-21)

John 8:12 "Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

John 9:5 “As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

John 12:46 "I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness."

God Bless!
 
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That's one way to put it. But there's more to it than simply that. It depends on whether or not we consider scripture to be the ONLY and FINAL inspired word of God.
I understand what you're saying, but those are actually two separate discussions.

1. Is scripture the inspired word of God? This is where we discuss whether or not the words written by Paul were from God.

2. Is scripture the sole inspired word of God? This is where we get into the authority of the Magisterium.

Two separate discussions.
 
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Jesus was only sent to the house of Israel, to Jews only and first, Paul was sent to the Gentiles,

But that's not what really happened, is it. The first conversion of a whole community occurred when Jesus met St. Photini at the well in Samaria, and she went and brought her whole village of Samaritans over to following Christ. He preached primarily to Jews because he remained mostly in Jewish territory, and yet he converted a town in Samaria through the evangelization of a non-Jewish woman.

He threw the Legion of demons out of a Gentile in the land of the Gadarenes, and told him to stay put there to show the power of God afterwards rather than follow him into the land of the Jews.

He also was up in the lower Lebanon, in the border regions of Tyre. It doesn't say which side of the border he was on, but the Syrophoenican woman whose child he healed, because of her faith, was not a Jew.

And of course the centurion whose servant he healed, who showed faith that Jesus praised, was a Gentile Roman conqueror!

Jesus' primary mission was to Israel, but he did not exclusively remain in it, and there was already a region of non-Jews converted to him, by a woman no less, plus the other healings and examples of faith in Gentile lands among Gentile people, and of a Roman centurion's servant!

So it's not black and white.

Paul was sent to the Gentiles - in large part for his own protection! The Jews hated him as a traitor, and a lot of Christians hated him as a former prosecutor and killer.

Peter was the first Apostle to the Gentiles, initiating Gentile baptism on the whole house of Cornelius the legionary, and then going to found the first Gentile church to call itself Christian at Antioch. And of course Peter went to and was martyred at Rome.

Yes, Paul was sent to the Gentiles, as was Peter, and Thomas (died in India). It was Philip who started the conversion of the Ethiopians.

Andrew went to Sarmatia and did his work there.

Matthew went to Parthia and was killed in Ethiopia. Simon Zealotes also went to Persia and was killed there.

Matthias, who replaced Judas among the twelve, went to Syria and was burnt there.

Bartholemew launched the church in Armenia.

ALL of the Apostles except James were apostles to the Gentiles. Peter was one of them.

Jesus, then James, focused on the Jews. Both died at Jerusalem for it.

John went to Asia Minor, and was the only one of the 12 who did not die a martyr.
 
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The question is "why"... Why are they different or seem different...?

Because there are many different sheep in many different pastures, and the Lord speaks to many and varied people in many and varied ways.

God made us different. Look how different each of the Apostles was - they ALL founded Churches in far-flung lands. They didn't all write letters, but they all ministered to strange foreign peoples and made Christians of them.

I think your original question about the divisions among Christians is the most important one. We're not going to agree internally about these things or many, many other things - the Trinity, for example. The question is can we eat together and drink together anyway. I say yes, and therefore will.

I think the jury is out for you, as to whether you will sit at table and eat and drink with those who see what God has revealed and what Christ wants of us radically different from the way you see it.
 
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I understand what you're saying, but those are actually two separate discussions.

1. Is scripture the inspired word of God? This is where we discuss whether or not the words written by Paul were from God.

2. Is scripture the sole inspired word of God? This is where we get into the authority of the Magisterium.

Two separate discussions.

What does "the inspired word of God" mean to you? You mean something more precise by that than I do.

Yes, some scripture was inspired by God: it quotes God. Paul was inspired by God when he wrote what he wrote.
 
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But that's not what really happened, is it. The first conversion of a whole community occurred when Jesus met St. Photini at the well in Samaria, and she went and brought her whole village of Samaritans over to following Christ. He preached primarily to Jews because he remained mostly in Jewish territory, and yet he converted a town in Samaria through the evangelization of a non-Jewish woman.

He threw the Legion of demons out of a Gentile in the land of the Gadarenes, and told him to stay put there to show the power of God afterwards rather than follow him into the land of the Jews.

He also was up in the lower Lebanon, in the border regions of Tyre. It doesn't say which side of the border he was on, but the Syrophoenican woman whose child he healed, because of her faith, was not a Jew.

And of course the centurion whose servant he healed, who showed faith that Jesus praised, was a Gentile Roman conqueror!

Jesus' primary mission was to Israel, but he did not exclusively remain in it, and there was already a region of non-Jews converted to him, by a woman no less, plus the other healings and examples of faith in Gentile lands among Gentile people, and of a Roman centurion's servant!

So it's not black and white.

Paul was sent to the Gentiles - in large part for his own protection! The Jews hated him as a traitor, and a lot of Christians hated him as a former prosecutor and killer.

Peter was the first Apostle to the Gentiles, initiating Gentile baptism on the whole house of Cornelius the legionary, and then going to found the first Gentile church to call itself Christian at Antioch. And of course Peter went to and was martyred at Rome.

Yes, Paul was sent to the Gentiles, as was Peter, and Thomas (died in India). It was Philip who started the conversion of the Ethiopians.

Andrew went to Sarmatia and did his work there.

Matthew went to Parthia and was killed in Ethiopia. Simon Zealotes also went to Persia and was killed there.

Matthias, who replaced Judas among the twelve, went to Syria and was burnt there.

Bartholemew launched the church in Armenia.

ALL of the Apostles except James were apostles to the Gentiles. Peter was one of them.

Jesus, then James, focused on the Jews. Both died at Jerusalem for it.

John went to Asia Minor, and was the only one of the 12 who did not die a martyr.
Luke 4:24-30, Matthew 15:22-28...

The apostles after Christ all and all believers had a duty and calling to now go to "all" Greek, Hebrew, Jew/Gentile, whatever, "all", "everyone", after Jesus, but, Jesus was sent to none but only the lost sheep of the house of Israel... (Matthew 15:24) But, made exceptions quite a few times, due to and because of faith, which faith was make and open door for the Gentiles to come into the fold... Jesus not only started that but was that (door/way)...

God Bless!
 
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Because there are many different sheep in many different pastures, and the Lord speaks to many and varied people in many and varied ways.

God made us different. Look how different each of the Apostles was - they ALL founded Churches in far-flung lands. They didn't all write letters, but they all ministered to strange foreign peoples and made Christians of them.

I think your original question about the divisions among Christians is the most important one. We're not going to agree internally about these things or many, many other things - the Trinity, for example. The question is can we eat together and drink together anyway. I say yes, and therefore will.

I think the jury is out for you, as to whether you will sit at table and eat and drink with those who see what God has revealed and what Christ wants of us radically different from the way you see it.
He wants obedience... But, does the (way of the) Law, OT, OC, bring obedience...? True obedience of the kind or type God is really looking for...? (from the heart) (obedience from and of the heart) or not...?

Y/N...?

God Bless!
 
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What does "the inspired word of God" mean to you? You mean something more precise by that than I do.

Yes, some scripture was inspired by God: it quotes God. Paul was inspired by God when he wrote what he wrote.
Regarding "some," I turn to 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

I do believe scripture when it says "all."

Regarding what is meant by "the inspired word of God," I think the Catechism of the Catholic Church explains it well...

106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. "To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more."

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Sacred Scripture
 
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He wants obedience... But, does the (way of the) Law, OT, OC, bring obedience...? True obedience of the kind or type God is really looking for...? (from the heart) (obedience from and of the heart) or not...?

Y/N...?

God Bless!

The Law of the OT was not about salvation, life after death, anything like that. It was about Hebrews living in Israel, lineally descended from the Hebrews who stood at Mt. Sinai, inheriting a secure farm in Israel and being able to live on it in peace.

It was a land contract for Hebrews, not a moral contract for the world.

There are provisions in it that make no sense in large swaths of the world. Example: the Sabbath is a non-starter in the lands of my maternal ancestors. It cannot be followed, and Jews who insist on keeping it cannot, therefore, live there to this very day.

Paul to a great extent, and James and John and Peter, all struggled with the Jewish tradition - that their land contract was somehow a law for the world - and the completely new and different contract that Jesus made with those who eat his flesh and drink his blood, are baptized and believe God's command that they have to follow him, and then following him by doing what he said to do. That's the New Covenant, and it's unrelated to the old one, other than by the fact that Jesus was a Jew and that he offered the "New Deal", as it were, to the Jews first. A lot of them - maybe 10% (? Nobody knows for sure) took him up on it. The rest didn't, and stuck around to revolt against the Romans and see the temple and priesthood extinguished and the Sinai Convenant rendered impossible to fulfill.

Following Jesus means living life a certain way, giving time, money and love, and above all, forgiving. For Jesus said that to be forgiven your sins, you have to forgive others theirs, and you will only be forgiven in proportion to, and to the extent of, your forgiveness of others. So, if we're worried about sin (and we should be), we have to remember that Jesus told us that the way to be forgiven sin is to forgive sins of others against us.
 
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Regarding "some," I turn to 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

I do believe scripture when it says "all."

Regarding what is meant by "the inspired word of God," I think the Catechism of the Catholic Church explains it well...

106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. "To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more."

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Sacred Scripture

Paul says "All". When Paul said that, "All Scripture" was a loosely-defined set of Jewish texts we call the Old Testament. Christians called Christian writings "Scripture" also. The word just means "writing", by the way. "All writing is God-inspired and useful for teaching..." Ok.

In any event, that is the Bishop Paul's opinion on the matter. He was part of the Magisterium. God put the Holy Spirit in the Church to decide such things. And the Church did decide such things. The Church decided what the Old Testament Scriptures are. (The Jews after 90 AD settled on a shorter list of books, but the Holy Spirit reposed in the Church, not at Jamnia, so the Church is right and the Jews are wrong when it comes to deciding what, exactly, comprises the Old Testament.)

Paul is certainly useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training - Peter says that Paul is Scripture, and the Church has accepted that judgment.

That puts Scripture there in the writings of the Church, very important. But not ABOVE the Church. The Holy Spirit that inspired the writings of the First Century down through our centuries, within the Church, and who sent Mary to Guadelupe and Lourdes and Fatima, he is who is above it all, and who, through the magisterium, causes men to exercise the apostolic authority to guide men to follow his will.

The Scripture is comparable to the Constitution. The work of the Church since the First Century is comparable to the Amendments to the Constitution, which are part of the Constitution and of equal authority to the original text. What the Constitution MEANS, how it is actually applied, is finally determined by the Supreme Court, which the Constitution appoints. The Church is the Supreme Court appointed by Jesus and inhabited by the Holy Spirit to make those decisions.

The Constitution means what the Supreme Court says it means. If an individual picks it up, reads its words, and interprets them in a way that is different or contrary to what the Supreme Court says they mean, he has engaged in an interesting grammatical and scholastic exercise, but nothing he says is what the Constitution actually means or what the law is. That is determined by the Supreme Court, not by individuals reading the Constitution. The Constitution vests that supreme judicial power in the Supreme Court.

Likewise, Jesus made a Church, not a Bible, he chose men, endowed them with power, and sent the Holy Spirit to guide them to the right decisions, and to live within the Church to guide their successors, so that the gates of hell will never prevail against her until the end of days.

It's not the way you look at it. You're never going to agree. It is the way I look at it. It's clearly what the Scriptures themselves say about the matter. Paul is AN Apostle. He is not the Magisterium. His writings are interpreted within the whole, not above the whole. The Magisterium is above the whole, because the Magisterium is where the Holy Spirit inspires and speaks in the present tense about all of the issues that come before the Church.

We're never going to agree on this subject. The question then is a simple one: do we fight about it forever, and in the process become so irritated with each other than we cannot cooperate on anything? Or do we agree to disagree and agree to sit down at table and eat and drink together anyway, and look out at the wider world and more important things than resolving what is an unresolvable difference?

I say we do that.
 
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Paul is certainly useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training - Peter says that Paul is Scripture, and the Church has accepted that judgment.
And God breathed. Don't forget that; it's the most important part.
 
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Well, there is a huge difference in trying to take over God's position, and in being holy as God is holy as He commands of us.

The Bible says be ye holy, as I am holy (1 Peter 1:16).

Paul also says we have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16).
To justify sin is not to have the mind of Christ.

The Bible also teaches that you can overcome grievous sin (like: Lusting, lying, coveting, hating, etc.):

"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Corinthians 10:13).

"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." (Romans 13:14).

"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Galatians 5:24).

1 "Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God." (1 Peter 4:1-2).

"Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." (2 Corinthians 7:1).

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh." (Galatians 5:16).

"Be careful to live properly among your unbelieving neighbors. Then even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will give honor to God when he judges the world." (1 Peter 2:12 NLT).

"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" (Philippians 2:15).

“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him” (Romans 6:6-8).

“Don't you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living.” (Romans 6:16 NLT).

“there are false prophets... who cannot cease from sin.” (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:14).

“Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.” (1 Corinthians 15:34).

“Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen” (Hebrews 13:20-21).

“But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.” (1 John 2:5).

“And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

“For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;” (1 Thessalonians 4:3-4).

“For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.” (1 Thessalonians 4:7).

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.” (1 John 5:19).​


Believe these verses and memorize them, and put them on the inside of your heart.
I believe you missed the point. I am saying no one is good, which Christ said, and that no one is blameless, see Romans, and that while we should strive to be Christ like we are not Christ. We should not live in sin but to say that a believer, who stumbles once is a while is damned is not biblical.
 
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I've withheld judgement upon these "spirits", because I do not feel I have enough information... There is one big one outside of me, "it" can do a lot of things, control and/or manipulate forces of the environment and nature, use anything around you, person/place/thing to "speak" to you, and can "time" things related to these very well, as well...

I cannot say for sure if it is God... YHWH seemed to always do things like that, but then so could Satan also with God's permission and/or allowance or consent... It was not very nice to me sometimes... but, I might have deserved it back then, or brought it upon myself somehow, that I'm still not sure of... While things are much different now, even with that one, that/this Spirit I am referring to, they were not always... I have a mental disorder and mental health issues now that I never had before due to "this", all of "this"...

There is another Spirit and other spirits also... Their is another Spirit always right above me, where the other one does not go or come from, that I think I know is Jesus, or at least it seems like Jesus...

Then there is the spirit within in me, deep in the core of my being (I thought maybe could be the Holy Spirit, IDK), but, three voices primarily, the one above me has conversations sometimes with the/my spirit within me, that every once and awhile, that I am privy to, but most of the time I'm not, or can't...

But this Spirit outside of me, that can do all these things around me, yet is always on ground level with me, and never above me, like the other one is...?

Like I said, I'm in kind of pickle with this right now, already talked to the Lord all about it already, and his answer right now to some of those things like that/this or about that other spirit, is just simply "just trust me" basically, so far, and for me not to judge it yet... I'm to "wait" I guess...

Anyhow, that/this was how I came to God...

This other one is not always there, or at least I don't think so, but why wouldn't it be if it was YHWH or God...? See here: How spirits work...

God Bless!
 
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How many acts of murder does it take to be a murderer according to Scripture?
It only takes one act of murder (See Numbers 35:16-18). 1 John 3:15 says no murderer has eternal life abiding in them. So if a believer murders and they do not confess of that sin, they are not saved at the point they plan the murder and kill that person. For if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins (1 John 1:9). Meaning: No confession of sin, and there is no forgiveness. David needed to confess of his sins in Psalms 51 to be forgiven. It's why he was crying out for forgiveness!

Ananais and Sapphira lied to the Holy Ghost (God) and they were instantly killed when they each made this transgression. A great fear came upon the church. It does not make any sense for the church to be in fear of God over believers who died saved and are in the comfort of Jesus and His Kingdom. This life is not our reward. Jesus is our reward. Jesus is our pearl of great price. To live is Christ and to die is gain. So if they were saved, the church would either feel sadness in the fact that they would miss them or they would feel comfort knowing they are with Jesus. But that didn't happen. They felt fear because they were condemned by their one time sin.

I am not sure what you are trying to say with all your sin examples. Are you sinless?
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I am not sure what you are trying to say with all your sin examples. Are you sinless?
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I think what he is saying is , yes he is a sinner, but he confesses his sin daily as we all should do.
 
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I am not sure what you are trying to say with all your sin examples. Are you sinless?
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It is written,

5 "Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.
6 For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man's enemies are the men of his own house." (Micah 7:5-6).

Also, the forum rules state we are not to address the poster or the individual, but we are to stick to the topic with Scripture.

In addition, would you believe me if I told you about my life? Well, trust needs to be earned. I confide in those who believe the Word of God as I do. Furthermore, it does not matter if most of the whole world was not living correctly. God's Word is still the standard and the standard is not my life alone. God destroyed an entire world with a global flood except for eight people. We walk by faith and not by sight. I am not above God's Word in what it says anymore than you are. If the Bible tells me to be ye holy, that is something I have to accept (Whether I like it or not).
 
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God destroyed an entire world with a global flood except for eight people.
I suppose you think you are among those eight people today, right...?

And "why" is that...? And, based on you...?

Anyway, all I'm gonna say...

God Bless!
 
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I think what he is saying is , yes he is a sinner, but he confesses his sin daily as we all should do.

Confessing sin (1 John 1:9) is in view (or context) of forsaking sin (1 John 1:7, 1 John 2:1, 1 John 2:3-4).
For he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).
In Matthew 12:41, Jesus says the Ninevites will rise up and judge this generation (which one? This one. Us!!!!) because the Ninevites had repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would learn that the King of the Ninevites told his people to do two very important things.

#1. Cry out unto God (Repentance).
#2. Forsake their evil ways (The Natural Fruits of Repentance).​

It was not until the Ninevites had forsaken their wicked ways that God decided to not bring wrath or judgment upon them anymore (Thereby proving that their repentance was genuine). Yet, people today think they can avert God's wrath or judgment by not forsaking their evil ways. They think they can sin and still be saved. They think all believers are sinners (in their present walk with God). Yet, God's Word says be ye holy because I am holy. You canot be holy and yet also be a sinner. It is an oxymoron. One is either being righteous or one is being unrighteous. The way we live determines what side we are on (See 1 John 3:10, 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:8, John 3:20).

To see this part of the story in Jonah 3, see: Jonah 3:6-10.
 
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I suppose you think you are among those eight people today, right...?

And "why" is that...? And, based on you...?

Anyway, all I'm gonna say...

God Bless!

It is written...

5 "And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;"
(2 Peter 2:5-6).
 
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I believe you missed the point. I am saying no one is good, which Christ said, and that no one is blameless, see Romans, and that while we should strive to be Christ like we are not Christ. We should not live in sin but to say that a believer, who stumbles once is a while is damned is not biblical.

It is written,

5 "There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless." (Luke 1:5-6).

3 "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."
(Revelation 14:3-5).
 
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