We’re Ready to Rebuild the Third Temple

Status
Not open for further replies.

Dave L

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 28, 2018
15,549
5,876
USA
✟580,140.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I'm sorry however G_d does not Abrogate His Covenants as Muslims do or we would have NO hope of salvation! Jesus himself said: Matthew 5:17 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Upon his first earthly visit he came as the Lamb of G_d the Spotless Sacrifice to open Salvation to all mankind but on His Second coming He will Rule and Reign with a rod of Iron and Establish His Kingdom upon the Earth for a 1000 years before the New Heaven, New Earth (where there shall be no Oceans), and the New Jerusalem is established. The Second Coming Reign is what the Jews were expecting and what Jesus's Disciples kept asking Him about. That is why the majority of the Jews hearts and minds were hardened against Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus) because they WANTED this kingdom then and now to crush the Romans and not talk of Salvation, Love, and Restoration with G_d. All the Promises are fulfilled in Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus) but what you fail to understand is that there is a Second Coming in Which the Son of God is going to COPLETE the rest of His plan as He says in Revelation and the Prophets predict in the Old Testament! Read all the references to Yeshua HaMashiach's (Jesus's) Second Coming! The Glory of G_d is Coming Back!!!
You still mistake the broken off Jews for Israel. Why would God graft the unbelievers back into Christ, if he and believers are not Israel?
 
Upvote 0

The Gryphon

Well-Known Member
Sep 26, 2018
541
222
Canyon Country
✟23,870.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Constitution
You still mistake the broken off Jews for Israel. Why would God graft the unbelievers back into Christ, if he and believers are not Israel?

My G_d FULFILS HIS EVERY WORD!

You asked: Why would God graft the unbelievers back into Christ, if he and believers are not Israel? Read the Apostle Paul's answer to your very question below.

The Epistle to the Romans or Letter to the Romans, often shortened to Romans, is the sixth book in the New Testament. Biblical scholars agree that it was composed by the Apostle Paul to explain that salvation is offered through the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Romans 11

1I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3“Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me” a ? 4And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” b 5So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

7What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8as it is written:

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.” c
9And David says:
“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.” d
Ingrafted Branches
11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

All Israel Will Be Saved

25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26and in this way e all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

27And this is f my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.” g

28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now h receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Dave L

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 28, 2018
15,549
5,876
USA
✟580,140.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
My G_d FULFILS HIS EVERY WORD!

You asked: Why would God graft the unbelievers back into Christ, if he and believers are not Israel? Read the Apostle Paul's answer to your very question below.

The Epistle to the Romans or Letter to the Romans, often shortened to Romans, is the sixth book in the New Testament. Biblical scholars agree that it was composed by the Apostle Paul to explain that salvation is offered through the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Romans 11

1I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3“Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me” a ? 4And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” b 5So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

7What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8as it is written:

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.” c
9And David says:
“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.” d
Ingrafted Branches
11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

All Israel Will Be Saved

25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26and in this way e all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

27And this is f my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.” g

28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now h receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Keep in mind, God broke off the unbelievers from Israel. And he will only graft those who accept Christ back in. In this way all Israel will be saved, both those of Abraham's DNA and gentiles.
 
Upvote 0

The Gryphon

Well-Known Member
Sep 26, 2018
541
222
Canyon Country
✟23,870.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Constitution
Keep in mind, God broke off the unbelievers from Israel. And he will only graft those who accept Christ back in. In this way all Israel will be saved, both those of Abraham's DNA and gentiles.


I never denied that had happened but G_d plans to redeem His people through belief in Jesus in mass to fulfill His Everlasting Covenants.
 
Upvote 0

Dave L

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 28, 2018
15,549
5,876
USA
✟580,140.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Well I plan on being in Jerusalem so we will see who is right.
Just keep in mind Jesus is biblical Israel along with those who believe in him. John said the reprobate Jews are antichrists along with all who do not believe Jesus was the Messiah. They are a false religion, nothing more.
 
Upvote 0

Dave L

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 28, 2018
15,549
5,876
USA
✟580,140.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I never denied that had happened but G_d plans to redeem His people through belief in Jesus in mass to fulfill His Everlasting Covenants.
The Covenants are replaced by the New Covenant. And only in Jesus do the promises apply.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

The Gryphon

Well-Known Member
Sep 26, 2018
541
222
Canyon Country
✟23,870.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Constitution
Just keep in mind Jesus is biblical Israel along with those who believe in him. John said the reprobate Jews are antichrists along with all who do not believe Jesus was the Messiah. They are a false religion, nothing more.

And He is Coming back for His Covenant People and that includes the Jews so don't forget that.
 
Upvote 0

The Gryphon

Well-Known Member
Sep 26, 2018
541
222
Canyon Country
✟23,870.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Constitution
The Covenants are replaced by the New Covenant. And only in Jesus do the promises apply.


That is an un-scripture teaching that even Jesus denied. The Bible clearly says the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants are both eternal, unconditional, and everlasting. Matthew 5:17 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. So are you calling G_d a Liar?
 
Upvote 0

Ronald

Exhortations
Site Supporter
Jul 30, 2004
4,620
982
southern
✟111,578.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Indeed, there is a growing “Temple Movement” in Israel today with thousands of Jews working to rebuild the Temple.
We’re Ready to Rebuild the Temple

Push to rebuild Jerusalem Temple has earth-shaking implications
Push to rebuild Jerusalem Temple has earth-shaking implications - WND

The Coming Third Jewish Temple
It Will Be Built In Time For The Fulfillment Of Daniel's 70th Week

NTEB: The Coming Third Jewish Temple


That was a very interesting video. I believe the part that the Temple was actually in the City of David, some thousand feet away from the "Western Wall" and the that the Jews have been bobbing their heads (no disrespect) to the wall of the ancient Roman Fortress of Antonia. Well, they are blind. I was blind too! I never applied the words of Jesus in Matthew 24:2 to the present day Wailing Wall. It proves that the Wailing Wall is not part of Temple.
That said, I am not an adherent to the 70th Week of Daniel being a future time period, I believe Christ fulfilled it and that the angel prophesied 70 weeks of years to bring us to Christ's First Coming. The 70th week was cut short, nevertheless, it was in the middle of that week, when Christ died and rose. Therefore there is no need for a Third Temple, no need for future abominable sacrifices in that temple (which btw would be an insult to Christ). They won't have time to build that Temple anyways, because it has been one generation (70 years) since 1948 and so the GT will soon begin without a new temple. Of course Psalm 90:10 states one generation could last 80 years ... "if we have the strength"! I have been almost certain that we would see the GT by 2018, but here we are and it seems like the stage is not quite set yet. Although it is interesting that a Peace Covenant (sorts) was made between The U.S. plus five other countries and Iran on July 14, 2015. It was the Nuclear Deal. More so, Trump announced that the U.S. no longer recognizes this deal as valid. It was not called a Treaty because it was not ratified by Congress - this is how Obama got around the laws concerning a treaty. But it was a treaty with China, Russia, England, France, the U.S., Germany AND IRAN. There is so much inside this current scene that needs to be looked at: Russia, Iran, Turkey and Syria joining forces, the fact that Russia provided technology to Iran for decades AND that Satan's throne is in Pergamum (Rev.2:13),in present day Turkey and the recently Middle East revolts from 2011 to the present where key rulers (horns) were plucked out.
Now if Iran did have nukes and if they were to attack Israel as they are determined to do, when would you suspect they would do that? On a Sabbath or holy day, right? But what we wouldn't suspect is that God will not begin the GT on a Jewish holy day but rather on a Christian Holy Day. Christmas has always been a time of peace. Well Iran hates Israel and Islam as a whole, are not too friendly towards Christians, whom they have persecuted for Millennia.
Back to July 14, 2015. Add 1260 days to that and where do you arrive? Dec. 25, 2018.
I'm not setting dates, but it's some coincidence, no?
 
Upvote 0

Lost4words

Jesus I Trust In You
Site Supporter
May 19, 2018
10,992
11,741
Neath, Wales, UK
✟1,010,441.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Single
That was a very interesting video. I believe the part that the Temple was actually in the City of David, some thousand feet away from the "Western Wall" and the that the Jews have been bobbing their heads (no disrespect) to the wall of the ancient Roman Fortress of Antonia. Well, they are blind. I was blind too! I never applied the words of Jesus in Matthew 24:2 to the present day Wailing Wall. It proves that the Wailing Wall is not part of Temple.
That said, I am not an adherent to the 70th Week of Daniel being a future time period, I believe Christ fulfilled it and that the angel prophesied 70 weeks of years to bring us to Christ's First Coming. The 70th week was cut short, nevertheless, it was in the middle of that week, when Christ died and rose. Therefore there is no need for a Third Temple, no need for future abominable sacrifices in that temple (which btw would be an insult to Christ). They won't have time to build that Temple anyways, because it has been one generation (70 years) since 1948 and so the GT will soon begin without a new temple. Of course Psalm 90:10 states one generation could last 80 years ... "if we have the strength"! I have been almost certain that we would see the GT by 2018, but here we are and it seems like the stage is not quite set yet. Although it is interesting that a Peace Covenant (sorts) was made between The U.S. plus five other countries and Iran on July 14, 2015. It was the Nuclear Deal. More so, Trump announced that the U.S. no longer recognizes this deal as valid. It was not called a Treaty because it was not ratified by Congress - this is how Obama got around the laws concerning a treaty. But it was a treaty with China, Russia, England, France, the U.S., Germany AND IRAN. There is so much inside this current scene that needs to be looked at: Russia, Iran, Turkey and Syria joining forces, the fact that Russia provided technology to Iran for decades AND that Satan's throne is in Pergamum (Rev.2:13),in present day Turkey and the recently Middle East revolts from 2011 to the present where key rulers (horns) were plucked out.
Now if Iran did have nukes and if they were to attack Israel as they are determined to do, when would you suspect they would do that? On a Sabbath or holy day, right? But what we wouldn't suspect is that God will not begin the GT on a Jewish holy day but rather on a Christian Holy Day. Christmas has always been a time of peace. Well Iran hates Israel and Islam as a whole, are not too friendly towards Christians, whom they have persecuted for Millennia.
Back to July 14, 2015. Add 1260 days to that and where do you arrive? Dec. 25, 2018.
I'm not setting dates, but it's some coincidence, no?

I like a part of what you wrote except for the last bit about Christmas.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Dave L

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 28, 2018
15,549
5,876
USA
✟580,140.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
That is an un-scripture teaching that even Jesus denied. The Bible clearly says the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants are both eternal, unconditional, and everlasting. Matthew 5:17 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. So are you calling G_d a Liar?
Fulfilled in Christ and those who believe in him = biblical Israel.
 
Upvote 0

The Gryphon

Well-Known Member
Sep 26, 2018
541
222
Canyon Country
✟23,870.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Constitution
The Heavenly Jerusalem is the place to be. God lives in spirit.

That comes after the 1000 year Reign of Jesus on Earth when the New Heaven, New Earth and New Jerusalem are our final resting place. What do you plan to do till then?
 
Upvote 0

The Gryphon

Well-Known Member
Sep 26, 2018
541
222
Canyon Country
✟23,870.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Constitution
Fulfilled in Christ and those who believe in him = biblical Israel.


Fulfilled is a different word entirely than where you said "The Covenants are replaced by the New Covenant" I agree that Jesus has, is, and will complete fulfilling the Covenants upon His Second Coming. But he did not Replace them as He Said himself. Matthew 5:17 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Dave-W

Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner!
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2014
30,521
16,866
Maryland - just north of D.C.
Visit site
✟771,800.00
Country
United States
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Keep in mind, God broke off the unbelievers from Israel. And he will only graft those who accept Christ back in. In this way all Israel will be saved, both those of Abraham's DNA and gentiles.
They will ALL accept HIM as Lord and Messiah. Paul plainly says that in the chapter quoted.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Dave-W

Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner!
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2014
30,521
16,866
Maryland - just north of D.C.
Visit site
✟771,800.00
Country
United States
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Fulfilled in Christ and those who believe in him = biblical Israel.
Descendants of Jacob = Israel proper.
Grafted in Gentiles = Commonwealth of Israel.

Again, Rom 11 clearly states that the “enemies of the gospel” are counted as part of Israel.
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.