Would You Allow An RFID Microchip In Your Hand?

Can I just get one in my Left hand ?

I can understand getting one of these in your hand...but forehead? I mean really? You think people are going to be Ok with butting their heads against readers to open doors or buy a cup of coffee?

It's not something I'd be interested in and there is also a possible issue of these chips migrating away from the insertion point in the hand and getting "lost". This has been observed in pets with ID chips. While in most cases the chip's new location may remain harmless, there is no guarantee of that.

Northwest Savant said in post #1:

Revelation 13:16-17: He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

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The "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-17, Revelation 16:2) will be a literal, physical mark which will be visible to people so that they can easily tell in every situation whether or not someone should be permitted to buy or sell (Revelation 13:17). It will be visible also because the original Greek of Revelation 13:16 shows that the mark will be placed only "on" (epi: G1909), not inside, people's right hands or foreheads. Also, it will be placed on people probably by scarification. For in Revelation 13:16, one of the definitions of the original Greek word (charagma: G5480) translated as the "mark" is "a scratch or etching" (Strong's Greek Dictionary), and scarification is the scratching or etching (that is, the cutting) of the skin to leave a permanent mark. The reason that people will be given the mark in Revelation 13:16, in the context of what was shown previously in Revelation 13:4,8,15, will be to serve as a visible indicator to other people that they are loyal worshippers of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9) and of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) and his image (Revelation 13:4,8,15), just as some Satanists today put a mark on themselves by scarification.

The mark will consist of only the Antichrist's name "or" some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17-18), meaning that the mark will be the Antichrist's name for some people and a representation of the gematrial number of his name for other people. And the mark will be placed only on the right hand (probably on the palm) "or" on the forehead (Revelation 13:16), meaning that it will be placed on the right hands of some people and on the foreheads of other people.

Those who refuse to receive the Antichrist's mark will not be allowed to buy or sell anything (Revelation 13:17). And they will be executed by being beheaded if they refuse to worship the Antichrist and his image (Revelation 13:15, Revelation 20:4). Christians must be willing to suffer this fate rather than agree to receive the Antichrist's mark or worship him or his image. For those people who agree to do these things, even if they are Christians, will suffer God's wrath in fire and brimstone forever (Revelation 14:9-13), while those Christians who refuse to do these things, even though they will be beheaded by the Antichrist, will be physically resurrected into immortality (along with the rest of the obedient Church of all times) at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 20:4-6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-58), which will occur immediately after the future Tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). And even before their resurrection, at the moment of their death their still-conscious souls will be brought into the presence of Jesus in heaven (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21,23, Revelation 6:9-10, Luke 23:43,46).

In the future, when the world begins to worship the Antichrist as God (Revelation 13:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36), some people could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their right palm, just as lovers in the past were sometimes known to have their loved ones' initials placed by scarification on their palms (compare also Isaiah 49:16, Jeremiah 48:37, Leviticus 19:28, and Leviticus 21:5). Other of the Antichrist's worshippers could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their foreheads, thinking (mistakenly) that they are fulfilling the Christian idea of Revelation 22:4, which refers to the future point in time when Jesus will put God's name visibly on the forehead of obedient Christians (Revelation 3:12). The Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, who will be the one who will cause everyone to be marked with the Antichrist's mark (Revelation 13:16-18), could even convince people that he (the False Prophet) is Jesus himself returned (via "reincarnation"). But he will not say that he is Christ. For he and the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ, and will deny that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7).

Instead of having the Antichrist's name engraved on their right hand or forehead, some of his worshippers will have the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17c-18) engraved on their right hand or forehead. But because some people could refuse to have "666" placed on their body, in order to make a mark of 666 acceptable to all people it could be disguised to look like something else in those cases where people demand something other than "666". For example, it could be disguised in some cases to look like "777", or "111", or "WWW", or "VVV", or "|| || ||", or "FFF". For the sixth letter of the ancient Hebrew alphabet (Vav) represents the number 6, but it looks like a "7", or a "1", and it is transliterated into English as either a "W" or a "V". Also, two thin vertical lines "||" represent the number 6 on many UPC codes. And the letter "F" has a numerical value of 6 in English gematria.

In an awful coincidence (or maybe it is not just a coincidence), "FFF" also stands for an extremely powerful type of nuclear bomb: Fission-Fusion-Fission. Could this be the type of bomb which the ten kings of the future Antichrist's empire will employ to burn up the cities of the nations at the end of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 17:12,16-17a, Revelation 16:19, Revelation 19:2,11)?

The "WWW" which has been placed on many internet addresses, and the "|| || ||" which has been placed across many UPC codes on products (that is, they have a "||" at the beginning, middle, and end of their UPC codes), are harbingers of when Satan will give the Antichrist ownership of everything on the earth (Revelation 13:2b; cf. Luke 4:7), and of the Antichrist's placing of his "brand" on everything, like how a rancher places his brand on all of his cattle. For both "WWW" and "|| || ||" are disguised representations of the gematrial number of the Antichrist's name: 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). But Revelation 13:16 is not fulfilled by many internet addresses having a "WWW", nor by many products having "|| || ||" on their UPC codes. For Revelation 13:16 refers only to when people will be given the Antichrist's mark, on either their right hand or forehead.

Those assigned to have the mark placed on their forehead (instead of on their right hand) (Revelation 13:16) could be an elite, illumined, cognoscenti class of Gnostic Luciferians who alone will have been given knowledge of the ultimate secrets of the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism, also called Satanism. The Antichrist will be both a Satanist, a worshipper of Satan the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), and a Gnostic, someone who denies that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and forbids marriage and the eating of meat (1 Timothy 4:1-3). The cream of his cognoscenti could be a faux 144,000, consisting of male virgins (as a counterfeit of Revelation 14:4) who have never eaten meat. If they receive on their forehead the mark of the Antichrist's name (instead of a representation of the number of his name) (Revelation 13:17), this will be as a counterfeit of YHWH's 144,000 in Revelation 14:1. But the Antichrist will not pretend that he is YHWH, just as he will not pretend that he is Christ. Instead, as a Gnostic, he will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And his Gnostic denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3) will disqualify him (under his Gnostic doctrine) from being Christ.

Northwest Savant said in post #1:

Would You Allow An RFID Microchip In Your Hand?

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The future Antichrist could require that everyone receive an injected RFID microchip between their right thumb and forefinger, which could be used as an identification device, a debit/credit card, and a repository of emergency healthcare information (that is, it could alert emergency healthcare workers to any medicinal allergies or conditions which an individual may have). But any such microchip would be separate from the "mark of the beast" (Revelation 16:2, Revelation 13:16-18). For the latter will be visible to people so that they can easily tell in every situation, even one without electricity, whether or not someone should be permitted to buy or sell (Revelation 13:17).

It is sometimes asked: "So should Christians receive a microchip implant because it is not the mark?"

The answer is No, for even though a microchip implant will not be the mark, and even though a microchip implant could be instituted in some countries years before the world becomes Luciferian (Satanist) during the future Antichrist's literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (of Revelation 13:4-18), Christians should still reject a microchip implant, whenever it appears, so that it cannot be used to track them, and so that they will not become like a cyborg, a walking debit/credit card, a mere cog/chip fitted into the technological/economic system of the already-existing harlot of "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18), whom such Christians will then not be able to "come out of" (Revelation 18:4). For their very bodies will have become an integral part of her.

Sabertooth said in post #21:

I do believe, however, that the real deal will be introduced through some seemingly innocuous venue; at least, at first.

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There could be a connection between a future, worldwide vaccination campaign and the mark of the beast, in that the vaccine and the mark could be administered at the same time, by the same doctor/nurse type of people who are trained to use needles, scalpels, and bandages properly and antiseptically. For the "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-17, Revelation 16:2) could be a permanent scar made by cuts with a scalpel.

Before the vaccination campaign begins, the Antichrist's intelligence agents could covertly spread around (such as with small, private planes secretly fitted with hidden spraying devices) an especially deadly bacteria (like anthrax) or an especially deadly virus (like Ebola) over the world's major population centers, after scientists working for the Antichrist have secretly come up with a vaccine which works against that bacteria or virus. After waiting until the bacteria or virus has killed tens of millions of people around the world, and health agencies issue dire warnings that it could bring about the extinction of mankind, the Antichrist could present himself to the world as its savior by offering his (in his words) "just discovered" vaccine freely to everyone, on the simple condition that they, as a sign of gratitude for his saving their lives (and as a sign to others that they have been vaccinated), willingly receive his mark when they receive the vaccine. People could then rush to receive the vaccine and the mark, to keep from dying from the bacteria or virus.

Under such a scenario, Christians would have to decide whether to save their mortal lives, or let them be ended by the bacteria or virus to keep from receiving the Antichrist's mark and thereby losing their salvation from hell (cf. Mark 8:35-36, Revelation 14:9-13).

Also, the Antichrist could falsely say that such a bacteria or virus-outbreak is (in his words) "a plague sent by YHWH to wipe out humanity, which he hates. But Lucifer appeared to me and showed me how to create this life-saving vaccine, for he cares about people" (cf. Mark 8:33b). In fact, Lucifer could have secretly developed the bacteria or virus himself. And he could even bring the vaccine against it down with him and publicly hand it over to the Antichrist when Lucifer and his angels descend to the earth mid-tribulation (Revelation 12:9) to (as they could say) "save mankind from this genocidal plague from YHWH". So people could be deceived into rejecting YHWH and worshipping Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) instead (Revelation 13:4-6, Revelation 12:9).

Bible2+ said:

The mark will consist of only the Antichrist's name "or" some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17-18), meaning that the mark will be the Antichrist's name for some people and a representation of the gematrial number of his name for other people.

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I've noticed that before, too. If the KJV's punctuation is correct, there may be a third alternative form, a logo. That means that not everybody will have the 666 form of the mark.

If the Antichrist opens with the other form(s) of the mark, the foolish surely will declare that it isn't 666.

(My pet theory is that the "number of his name" will be his initials, but its biggest flaw is that the rightmost 6 is "ς" [stigma]. It does not have a capitalized form. It only occurs at the end of a word, thus cannot be an initial.)

I think this whole mark of the beast hullabaloo doesn't make a bit of sense. If a world government really instituted such a thing, even against the obvious christian pushback, everyone would know that the prophecy of the bible is true.

I'd be first in line to convert to christianity and get my head lopped off.

Sabertooth said:

But you can turn away from the "love of money" as long as it is external to you.

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Having the chip doesnt mean you "love money". It just means you use it.

Besides, a chip isnt a "mark", unless you mess up the implantation.

Nithavela said:

I'd be first in line to convert to christianity and get my head lopped off.

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Yeah, but it's not that big a deal for you.

Chesterton said:

Yeah, but it's not that big a deal for you.

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I think it's the thought that counts.

Nithavela said in post #49:

I think this whole mark of the beast hullabaloo doesn't make a bit of sense. If a world government really instituted such a thing, even against the obvious christian pushback, everyone would know that the prophecy of the bible is true.

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Note that there are many preterist and historicist Christians who believe that the mark of the beast already happened.

But the truth is that it has never happened. But any mistaken teaching which claims that the mark of the beast did already happen at some point in history could be employed by the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") to fool some Christians into thinking that his mark is the true mark of God which was prophesied to come (Revelation 22:4, Revelation 3:12) sometime after the mark of the beast (of Revelation 13:16-18).

Also, most people at the future time of the Antichrist (just as today) will not be Christians, and so they will not know the Bible's prophecies. Also, even most Christians today do not know very much about the Bible's prophecies. And even those non-Christians who know something about them, and who will recognize their fulfillment, could still be deceived into thinking that their fulfillment does not require that YHWH God is good, or that the Antichrist and Lucifer are evil. For such people could still see the latter as the good guys, and reject the (at that time) still-unfulfilled prophecies of their defeat by YHWH (at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming) as mere propaganda which will not ever come to pass. That is, they could still be deceived into thinking that it is YHWH who will be defeated.

For Matthew 24:37-41 means that non-Christians will have no idea that most of them are going to be killed (by Jesus Christ Himself: Revelation 19:15-21, Isaiah 63:3) at His future, Second Coming, until it actually happens. For they could think that the Second Coming had already occurred with the coming into power of the future Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet (of Revelation 13:13-14, Revelation 19:20), who could claim to be Jesus returned (via "reincarnation"). And just as the people of the world shortly before Noah's Flood, even though they could see or hear about Noah building his huge ark, no doubt rejected the idea that YHWH God had the power to actually cause a global flood which would kill them, so non-Christians at the end of the future Tribulation could reject the idea that YHWH has the power to actually defeat and kill them.

For during the future Tribulation's second half, the world will see the power of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) and his fallen angels (Revelation 12:9); and the power which Lucifer will give to the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") to take over the entire earth (Revelation 13:4-8), and to utterly revile YHWH year after year without being destroyed (Revelation 13:5-6, Daniel 11:36); and to physically overcome and kill people in the Church (not in hiding) in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13). And the world will see the amazing miraculous powers which Lucifer will give to the Antichrist's False Prophet, by which he will be able to even call fire down from heaven in the sight of everyone (Revelation 13:13, cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

And near the end of the future Tribulation, the world will see the Antichrist's defeat of YHWH's amazingly-powerful Two Witnesses (Revelation 11:3-9), after which defeat the world will rejoice and make merry and send gifts to each other because the Two Witnesses had been sending plagues on the world (Revelation 11:10,6). And even though those plagues will be shortly followed by even more plagues from YHWH, poured out directly from heaven (Revelation 16, the Tribulation's final stage), the people of the world will not lose their confidence that YHWH can still be defeated. For after almost all of the plagues from heaven are over, the world will see the amazing miraculous powers of some unclean spirits, convincing the world's armies to gather together for a battle against YHWH (Revelation 16:13-14, Revelation 19:19). And so the world could come to that battle at the very end of the Tribulation with the same careless attitude as some people at the start of the American Civil War who held picnics at the expected first battleground of Bull Run/Manassas to watch the battle and what they expected to be a quick and easy victory.

Saying that if it is upgraded later with a dedication to a god, a dictator and a false prophet or any of the three, then I would consider it. And I would state even in an organization that I am preparing to starve to death rather than upgrade.

It is a human right that the government may not cut citizens.

durangodawood said:

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Having the chip doesnt mean you "love money". It just means you use it.

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I was answering from the perspective of the previous poster.

Tanj said:

I can understand getting one of these in your hand...but forehead? I mean really? You think people are going to be Ok with butting their heads against readers to open doors or buy a cup of coffee?

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yeah, but it's quiet easy to spot fakes and see someone has stolen someones chip, "Ummm sirr...I don't think thats your forhead your carrying in your hands there, can I see some identification.

durangodawood said:

Besides, a chip isnt a "mark", unless you mess up the implantation.

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I've heard some suggest the mark is the radiation, cancer and such burns you get from repeatedly using a scanner on the same part of your body over a few years. Bogus, but some people still think cell phones cause cancer. Was a book series I had as a kid called, warning, final warning and second warning all about stuff hehe.