God’s Kingdom Is Impending as America Is Ending: Dan 2:44, Jer 30:11

Blade · Nov 7, 2018

Ok the problem here is.... Christ came.. in the flesh.. died was buried and rose PRAISE GOD! See as John said "behold the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.

People in Moshe(Moses) day are not the same today. The sweet sweet Holy Spirit is ALL Over this world.. HE convicts the world of sin.. not you not me. We cant read anyones heart. People of GOD stood in the gap.. you know when GOD was going to Judge a nation He looked for just ONE from among them so He would not have to.. HE found none.

This time He found thousands that stood in the gap.. that repented.. did you MISS TRUMP? See its MAN that says JUDGE JUDGE JUDGE! PUNISH PUNISH PUNISH... God did what HE wanted.. He left Heaven became His creation and took ALL not some ALL the SINS Of the world.. and HE will not remember them. OT NT.

He is out to SAVE this world... did not Yeshua said "didnt come to judge or condemn"? What you think since He died and rose AGAIN PRAISE GOD! Its what over? Has not stopped... that WORD will go out all over the GLOBE THEN and only THEN will the end come.

As it is written is how it will happen. Not my personally belief or yours.. I get out of HIS way.. I die to self so HE can live through me..

Richard Ruhling · Nov 7, 2018

Blade said:
Ok the problem here is.... Christ came.. in the flesh.. died was buried and rose PRAISE GOD! See as John said "behold the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.

People in Moshe(Moses) day are not the same today. The sweet sweet Holy Spirit is ALL Over this world.. HE convicts the world of sin.. not you not me. We cant read anyones heart. People of GOD stood in the gap.. you know when GOD was going to Judge a nation He looked for just ONE from among them so He would not have to.. HE found none.

This time He found thousands that stood in the gap.. that repented.. did you MISS TRUMP? See its MAN that says JUDGE JUDGE JUDGE! PUNISH PUNISH PUNISH... God did what HE wanted.. He left Heaven became His creation and took ALL not some ALL the SINS Of the world.. and HE will not remember them. OT NT.

He is out to SAVE this world... did not Yeshua said "didnt come to judge or condemn"? What you think since He died and rose AGAIN PRAISE GOD! Its what over? Has not stopped... that WORD will go out all over the GLOBE THEN and only THEN will the end come.

As it is written is how it will happen. Not my personally belief or yours.. I get out of HIS way.. I die to self so HE can live through me..

Dear Blade,
I should say, Shalom!
Lots of good points you share, but a closing comment you make says, the "WORD will go out all over the GLOBE THEN and only THEN will the end come."

That's from Matthew 24:14 which says the gospel of the kingdom will go to all the world and then the end will come [but there is no period there and the next words are] "when you see the abomination spoken of by Daniel [and I like the wording in Mark 13:14] standing where it ought not."

Early believers understood Y'shua's words to mean Rome and Rome came to the US Congress on the Day of Atonement (counting from the chodesh) in 2015--the pope was "standing where he ought not" and 2015 had numerous other signs, including an abomination standing where it ought not in the Supreme Court [new definition of marriage].

My thesis is that events of 2015 were like the Roman General Cestius who came 3 1/2 years before Titus and next spring is like Titus for US and also Jerusalem (Zech 14:1,2) first on Passover [time of judgment] and then 2nd Passover (Num 9:10,11 fits Matt 25:13,14 and also "as the days of Noah" and "THEN [same time] shall two be in the field... etc] when we must be ready for the wedding parables like God "executed judgment" on Egypt & took Israel to a covenant--parallel event next spring for those who are ready and 50 days later, I think Y'shua will have the 144,000 who will be His anointed group all over the world.

Acts2:38 · Nov 7, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
The parallel between Ezek 36:24-28 and Jer 31 seems clear and for one to have the "latter day" context supports Ezek 36 as also, and sure enough, if you read the next chapter, Ezek 37:7 is about the shaking when dry bones come together. The shaking is the earthquake that initiates end-times and two sticks in Ezek 37:16,17 come together to make one kingdom in verse 22. The 2 sticks represent Judah--Jews who accept Messiah, and Israel--Christians who accept torach (statutes & judgments restored by Elijah, Mal 4:4,5. All of this before Gog and Magon in Ezek 38.

Greetings once again,

I am really curious as to why you won't answer certain question.

Acts2:38 said:
So if you say physical, then what about Jeremiah 22:30?

And if Christ is already ruling from a the throne of David NOW, why come back to earth and rule?

Supporting scripture that Christ rules from Davids throne now:
Hebrews 8:1-4 Is "set" there now (present tense use of wording)
Acts 2:25-36 (see also Psalms 16) Throne promise fulfilled after resurrection
David 7:13-14 (see reference Hebrews 8:1-4 example) Throne promise fulfilled in heaven
Revelation 3:21 Christ Himself states that He is "set" there now (present tense)

Oh, and please explain your answers without using Revelation 20, because most people misuse this scripture because they try to apply it literally when it SHOULD be applied figuratively.

They missed that key phrase in chapter 1 verse 1 that states, "...and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John...". The book of Revelation is written in hints. The message is not in the surface story, but in the hidden meanings behind the words. Even the numbers have meaning not to be taken literal pending on the context.

So please use verses that I will consider for your defense of a physical kingdom (Jeremiah and Ezekiel cannot be used either because it in no way references a physical kingdom in OUR future).

Choose Wisely · Nov 7, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
Dear Blade,
I should say, Shalom!
Lots of good points you share, but a closing comment you make says, the "WORD will go out all over the GLOBE THEN and only THEN will the end come."

That's from Matthew 24:14 which says the gospel of the kingdom will go to all the world and then the end will come [but there is no period there and the next words are] "when you see the abomination spoken of by Daniel [and I like the wording in Mark 13:14] standing where it ought not."

Early believers understood Y'shua's words to mean Rome and Rome came to the US Congress on the Day of Atonement (counting from the chodesh) in 2015--the pope was "standing where he ought not" and 2015 had numerous other signs, including an abomination standing where it ought not in the Supreme Court [new definition of marriage].

My thesis is that events of 2015 were like the Roman General Cestius who came 3 1/2 years before Titus and next spring is like Titus for US and also Jerusalem (Zech 14:1,2) first on Passover [time of judgment] and then 2nd Passover (Num 9:10,11 fits Matt 25:13,14 and also "as the days of Noah" and "THEN [same time] shall two be in the field... etc] when we must be ready for the wedding parables like God "executed judgment" on Egypt & took Israel to a covenant--parallel event next spring for those who are ready and 50 days later, I think Y'shua will have the 144,000 who will be His anointed group all over the world.

Have enjoyed reading your posts. And also Acts 2:38.

You keep taking about Passover as a time of judgment. 1st point is that Passover is a harvest feast....the time of the spring barley harvest.

2nd point is that you mention the days of Noah. I'd like to point out that Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. The church will be raptured before the hour of testing and will not go through the tribulation. The GOODMAN will not know the hour of His coming. In a time that you think not, the son of man commeth. Further, Pentecost is also a harvest feast.......the early summer wheat harvest.

3rd point is you mention the 144,000. They will go through the tribulation and are of the 12 tribes as God turns his attention to Israel.........as he promised. It will be like the days of Lot. The very day Lot leaves Sodom, destruction comes. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. This will likely occur on the Feast of Trumpets......the fall fruit harvest.

I mention these things because it appears that you are ready for the wrath of God to begin. The wrath of God will not begin until the tribulation occurs. IMMEDIATELY...after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened.....etc. And the tribulation has not occurred.

Lost4words · Nov 7, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
The Great News is being saved from widespread destruction as in the days of Noah.
The Great News is freedom from bondage as in Moses’ day when Egypt killed babies and the US has aborted 60 million. Egypt enslaved Israel and the US has enslaved most people in alcohol, tobacco, drugs, food, fashion, fiction, gambling, sex, perversion, TV and violence.

Preachers have failed as this once Christian nation has become like Egypt & God is going to judge the US. Those who understand the wedding parables can marry Christ by a covenant like Israel did if we are ready as they were on the eve of His judgment. If so, He will make us ruler over all that He has. But if we don’t understand or aren’t ready we will suffer tribulation.

The wedding parables ALL affirm what Paul said of the Exodus: “All those things happened to them for our examples…ends of the world.” 1Cor 10:1,11 included the Exodus.

1. The wedding parables each have a sudden event of a calamity nature.
· The “remnant” get their city burned, Matt 22:6,7. This wasn’t about 70 AD
· The midnight cry in Matt 25:6 is an echo of calamity in Egypt, Exod 12:29,30
· The ‘knock’ in Lk 12:36 is an earthquake because Laodicea where He knocked ended in an earthquake circa 63 AD. God promises to reveal everything, Amos 3:7, and the next verse is a lion’s roar--Christ is the Lion of Judah, see Joel 3:16. ALL the above are like judgment on Egypt; Israel feft to become God’s kingdom..

2. Readiness for sudden calamity determines destiny as Israel also became God’s bride.
· The man without a wedding garment is thrown into outer darkness, Matt 22:
· The foolish virgins hear “I know you not…depart”
· The servant who fails to prepare is beaten with stripes, Lk 12:47,48.

3. Since God won’t do anything without revealing it, the earthquake (above) initiates “the day of the Lord” (Joel 2:10,11; 1Thess 5:2,3 (‘travail on a woman with child’ = Egypt)
The “when” is also reveals as Egypt & the wedding parable all have Passover imagery.
· The ‘midnight cry’ in Matt 25:6 is an echo of Exod 12:29,30
· Loins girded in Lk 12:35 is also found in Exod 12:11; “Watch” is translated from gregoreo, meaning to be awake, as they were in Exod 12:10. See Matt 26:38-41.
· Luke 12:37 has a blessing for the servant who is watching; Passover imagery.
· Zeph 1:8, “in the day of the Lord’s sacrifice” [Passover] God will punish the King’s children

4. Christ’s closing parables have an important modification to Passover. Each time He said You don’t know (understand) when, He gave examples of the law in Numbers 9:10,11--

· “As the days of Noah” when the Flood came as a Passover event, but 2nd month.
· “THEN” (same time, 2nd Passover) shall two be in the field; one taken (to death, Lk 17:37) This is probably martial law, taken to a FEMA for “screening”
· The evil servant begins to smite his fellow servants. ‘THEN’ (same time) shall the kingdom be like 10 virgins. He ends with “Watch (clue for Passover, but you don’t understand because it’s like a man traveling to a far country.” Israel didn’t travel in winter, and if they took a long trip in spring and couldn’t get back for Passover, they were to keep it the 2nd month, Num 9:10,11. Christ is the Master who took a long journey; His return will fit His law that’s in effect till heaven and earth pass. This is NOT His coming in the sky, but as a thief, Rev 3:3, to execute judgment and to take those who are watching for Him to a covenant relationship (marriage) Thank you for considering this & look for your thoughts...

Yet another end times expert comes on the scene! :doh:

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 7, 2018

God’s Kingdom Is Impending as America Is Ending:

Lost4words said:
Yet another end times expert comes on the scene!

Yeah, and very anti american........
Reminds me of another member who posted similar views concerning America in prophecy.........
Is the GREAT CITY in Revelation symbolizing the LAKE OF FIRE?

Brian Mcnamee said: ↑
If you read all the specifics of that city and the judgment of it you will have a hard time making your view stick unless you already symbolize everything else in the book....
The US is the most likely candidate as if you look at the largest trading cities and the splendor of them they have all been made rich trading with the US. Look up Dubai, Hong Kong, Shang Hai, Taiwan, Seoul, Tokyo, all across the board. The heart of the Illuminati secret societies is in the US and the UN is the structure for global government has been funded and created by the US..... If we are close the US fits perhaps NYC more precisely. If you look at Zech 6 and look up Statute of Liberty Zech 6 you will see Babylon called Shinar in those days describes the statue exactly

LittleLambofJesus said:
That view has been around awhile.
Possibly conjured up by some anti-American zionist communist Christians............
Reminds me of this quote in a favorite movie of mine

Derek Flint:
"Say, why does that eagle attack me"?
Derek Flint:
"An anti-American eagle. It's diabolical".

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Brian Mcnamee said:
hi I love the our man flint clip... My wife quotes that movie to me often, I am not a pleasure unit." The reason it has been around for a while is it fits. if you played 20 questions and used the clues who esle made the merchants wealthy and so forth?

Lost4words · Nov 7, 2018

End times 'experts' are two a penny these days. One around every corner!

Richard Ruhling · Nov 7, 2018

Acts2:38 said:
Greetings once again,

I am really curious as to why you won't answer certain question.

Oh, and please explain your answers without using Revelation 20, because most people misuse this scripture because they try to apply it literally when it SHOULD be applied figuratively.

They missed that key phrase in chapter 1 verse 1 that states, "...and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John...". The book of Revelation is written in hints. The message is not in the surface story, but in the hidden meanings behind the words. Even the numbers have meaning not to be taken literal pending on the context.

So please use verses that I will consider for your defense of a physical kingdom (Jeremiah and Ezekiel cannot be used either because it in no way references a physical kingdom in OUR future).

Sorry Acts 2, no intent to avoid your question, but when you post with many points, it's easy to address what seems easy and often forget the rest.

#1. I think you should not insist on "spiritual" meanings while you deny the more obvious one.

When the disciples asked if Christ would restore the kingdom to Israel at that time, they already knew about the spiritual--"the kingdom is within you" Lk 17:21. The obvious wish was for the physical (as you put it) kingdom.

Christ didn't correct them but linked it to "times & seasons" that Dan 2:21 appropriately links to what you call a physical kingdom.

And in the only other reference to "times & seasons" Paul links it to the end-time "day of the Lord" that comes with sudden destruction.

My study supports it as coming with the earthquake seen in Joel 2:10,11, Rev 8:5,6 and it helps to know that the ancient church of Laodicea ended in an earthquake--what's coming will draw the lukewarm western churches to an end and we will move either toward God's kingdom [dominion of a king by His laws that include the statutes & judgments context of Elijah who is to "restore all things" Compare Mal 4:4,5 and Matt 17:11.

You should not think Ezek 36 does not apply to our time because 1Pet 1:12 says those prophets ministered to us (Peter's present tense = ours now)

Furthermore, Ezek 36:24-28 is a succinct statement of Jer 31 (New Covenant Promise) which has "latter day" context, verse 1 & previous verse.

I believe in patience, but I don't believe in belaboring a point and if you are stuck on spiritual applications, I don't think I'm the one to pull you out of the rut, but I wish you well--Christ died for all and you are valuable to Him.

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 7, 2018

Lost4words said:
Yet another end times expert comes on the scene!

Lost4words said:
End times 'experts' are two a penny these days. One around every corner!

This board can often times be entertaining, and sometimes even humorous, as witnessed by threads such as: "SPACE MONKIES". I love it!

Space Monkies.

zspeedyrabit said:
We are currently in the chapter 11 process of Revelation.
Fallen Angels know that they are Fallen Angels. Matthew 8:29.
I believe all fallen Angels receive internal communications from Satan. Acts 16:16
I believe Satan is currently in Heavenly places (Ephesians 2:2. Ephesians 6:12) and does not get cast out of Heaven until Revelation 12:9 of which has yet to occur.
I have concluded that Fallen Angels are sort of like a type of space monkey..but cute.

zspeedyrabit said:
Satans currently in Heavenly places you silly, and Heavens beautiful..right?

zspeedyrabit said:
Do you think they eat gingersnaps?

zspeedyrabit said:
Satan is currently in Heavenly places. The Antichrist is here on earth and is currently in Nevada. My current belief is that all of the Fallen Angels with the exception of Satan are here on earth. Fallen Angels recieve internal communications from Satan. I believe that Fallen Angels can also sort of chat with each other telepathicly.

snoochface said:
Is this a joke?

Big Mouth Nana said:
If it wasn't so sad it would be funny :- (

Gary7 said:
One of these cute little "space monkeys" struck so much fear in me one night back in 1983 in a dream that my heart almost stopped. It had a large expanding head and was green. The only thing that saved me was when I cried out in my sleep, "THE POWER OF GOD!" and the little monster let me alone.

Theme intro song I have picked out for the Eschatology board:

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Richard Ruhling · Nov 7, 2018

Lost4Words: I agree with you, but unless we take a Berean's attitude to compare it with Scripture, we could miss something important because the last church is characterized as "blind and naked" (Rev 3:17) and "the blind will I bring by a way they know not," Isa 42:16.

I appreciate an excellent Bible college education 50+ years ago and I've had time in retirement to study and sort truth from error that the various denominations have. Thank you for keeping an open mind--the highest destiny depends on understanding the wedding parables as suggested in Luke 12:36-44.

Richard Ruhling · Nov 7, 2018

LL: Two important points for zspeedyrabit:

#1. We are not in Rev 11 -- that is impending --we are stuck between Rev 10 & 11. Christ (Angel in Rev 10:10) said to prophesy again--which means to give the same messages that Wm Miller gave in 1844. Millerites (50K) had the "Great Disappointment" (Google) typified by the 'bitter belly experience of John when he also ate the little book of Daniel (Miller's focus was Dan 8:14 which he took to mean the end of the world).

The point is, "Prophecy again" means to give those same messages and I'm confident they will fit events well this coming spring as my opening post implied and as events continue to support mounting troubles.

#2. Satan is not in heaven as the cited Eph 2:2 does not say that, and Rev 12:7-9 show he was cast out.

LittleLambofJesus · Nov 7, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
Lost4Words: I agree with you, but unless we take a Berean's attitude to compare it with Scripture, we could miss something important because the last church is characterized as "blind and naked" (Rev 3:17) and "the blind will I bring by a way they know not," Isa 42:16.
I appreciate an excellent Bible college education 50+ years ago and I've had time in retirement to study and sort truth from error that the various denominations have. Thank you for keeping an open mind--the highest destiny depends on understanding the wedding parables as suggested in Luke 12:36-44.

Congrats on Bible college ........
I would like to believe My education came from the Holy Spirit [but everyone says that] but only a little at a time is revealed to me. Tho I admit I do use Greek and Hebrew Bible study resources, which the Holy Spirit has led me to study from
After all the Holy Writ is written in Hebrew and Greek.

And always, always notice the audience Jesus is addressing........

John 5:39
"Ye are searching the Writings that ye are seeming in them life age-during to be having,
and those are the ones-testifying about Me".

John 9:
39 And Jesus said "into judgement I, into this world came.
That the ones no seeing may be seeing,
and the ones seeing, blind may be becoming".
41 Jesus said to them "if blind ye were, not ever ye had sin.
Now yet, ye are saying that 'we are beholding', the sin of ye is remaining".

Romans 9:12
it was said to her, “The older[OC/Moses/Death] shall serve the younger[NC/Jesus/Abraham/Life].”[fn]

Revelation 3:
9 Behold! I am giving out of the synagogue of the Satan, to the ones saying themselves Judeans to-be and not they are, but they are falsifying.
Behold! I shall be making them that they should be arriving <2240>, and they shall be worshiping before the feet of thee, and they may be knowing that I Love thee.
17 That thou are saying that Rich I am, and I have become rich and not yet one need I am having. And not are aware that thou are the weight-calloused and forlorn and poor and blind and naked.

And this covenantle parable in Luke 16 between the OC and NC:

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Luke 16:19
"There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day."

However, this attire also has symbolic meaning. The Eerdmans Bible Dictionary says: "The wearing of purple was associated particularly with royalty . . ." (p. 863, "Purple"). In addition, the New Bible Dictionary tells us: "The use of linen in OT times was prescribed for priests (Ex. 28:39). The coat, turban and girdle must be of fine linen." (p. 702, "Linen")..............

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable. This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!

Only 3 verses in the NT use both "purple and fine linen" together...Behold! The Judean Rich Man and the Judean Rich Queen!

Luke 16:19
"There was a certain Rich Man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day."

Revelation 18:

7 “In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as Queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.'
12 “merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble;

16 “and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that Great City that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls!

So simple, even a child would understand it............

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Richard Ruhling · Nov 7, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Congrats on Bible college ........
I would like to believe My education came from the Holy Spirit [but everyone says that] but only a little at a time is revealed to me. Tho I admit I do use Greek and Hebrew Bible study resources, which the Holy Spirit has led me to study from
After all the Holy Writ is written in Hebrew and Greek.

And always, always notice the audience Jesus is addressing........

John 5:39
"Ye are searching the Writings that ye are seeming in them life age-during to be having,
and those are the ones-testifying about Me".

John 9:
39 And Jesus said "into judgement I, into this world came.
That the ones no seeing may be seeing,
and the ones seeing, blind may be becoming".
41 Jesus said to them "if blind ye were, not ever ye had sin.
Now yet, ye are saying that 'we are beholding', the sin of ye is remaining".

Romans 9:12
it was said to her, “The older[OC/Moses/Death] shall serve the younger[NC/Jesus/Abraham/Life].”[fn]

Revelation 3:
9 Behold! I am giving out of the synagogue of the Satan, to the ones saying themselves Judeans to-be and not they are, but they are falsifying.
Behold! I shall be making them that they should be arriving <2240>, and they shall be worshiping before the feet of thee, and they may be knowing that I Love thee.
17 That thou are saying that Rich I am, and I have become rich and not yet one need I am having. And not are aware that thou are the weight-calloused and forlorn and poor and blind and naked.

And this covenantle parable in Luke 16 between the OC and NC:

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Luke 16:19
"There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day."

However, this attire also has symbolic meaning. The Eerdmans Bible Dictionary says: "The wearing of purple was associated particularly with royalty . . ." (p. 863, "Purple"). In addition, the New Bible Dictionary tells us: "The use of linen in OT times was prescribed for priests (Ex. 28:39). The coat, turban and girdle must be of fine linen." (p. 702, "Linen")..............

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable. This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!

Only 3 verses in the NT use both "purple and fine linen" together...Behold! The Judean Rich Man and the Judean Rich Queen!

Luke 16:19
"There was a certain Rich Man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day."

Revelation 18:

7 “In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as Queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.'
12 “merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble;

16 “and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that Great City that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls!

So simple, even a child would understand it............

.

Shalom LL: I appreciate your humility that we all should have (Matt 5). I think you went the long way around to say that religious leaders have proven blind guides, both in Y'shua's time (Matt 23) and the scarlet & purple of the harlot in Rev 17 (Rome, sitting on 7 hills and drunken with the blood of saints) and pastors today are not better because the last message to the 7th church is to the aggelos--messenger who is blind and naked (loins not girded with truth, Eph 6:14)
Please correct me if I missed your point and be direct

Acts2:38 · Nov 7, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
Sorry Acts 2, no intent to avoid your question, but when you post with many points, it's easy to address what seems easy and often forget the rest.

#1. I think you should not insist on "spiritual" meanings while you deny the more obvious one.

When the disciples asked if Christ would restore the kingdom to Israel at that time, they already knew about the spiritual--"the kingdom is within you" Lk 17:21. The obvious wish was for the physical (as you put it) kingdom.

Christ didn't correct them but linked it to "times & seasons" that Dan 2:21 appropriately links to what you call a physical kingdom.

And in the only other reference to "times & seasons" Paul links it to the end-time "day of the Lord" that comes with sudden destruction.

My study supports it as coming with the earthquake seen in Joel 2:10,11, Rev 8:5,6 and it helps to know that the ancient church of Laodicea ended in an earthquake--what's coming will draw the lukewarm western churches to an end and we will move either toward God's kingdom [dominion of a king by His laws that include the statutes & judgments context of Elijah who is to "restore all things" Compare Mal 4:4,5 and Matt 17:11.

You should not think Ezek 36 does not apply to our time because 1Pet 1:12 says those prophets ministered to us (Peter's present tense = ours now)

Furthermore, Ezek 36:24-28 is a succinct statement of Jer 31 (New Covenant Promise) which has "latter day" context, verse 1 & previous verse.

I believe in patience, but I don't believe in belaboring a point and if you are stuck on spiritual applications, I don't think I'm the one to pull you out of the rut, but I wish you well--Christ died for all and you are valuable to Him.

I didn't give that many points in my last few posts. Only 5. The rest of the subject matter was speaking on things that you addressed, as you were still unintentionally avoiding my 5 points.

So then I reduced it to only 2 questions, in which you still have not answered, even in your previous point. I am still waiting for an answer to both those points.

Again, since I am "insisting" about a spiritual kingdom, I asked those 2 questions (that you have not answered) so that you could initiate any sort of proof in regards to a physical kingdom that you say is "so obvious". If it is so obvious, then answering my questions would be a piece of cake.

Richard Ruhling · Nov 7, 2018

Acts2:38 said:
I didn't give that many points in my last few posts. Only 5. The rest of the subject matter was speaking on things that you addressed, as you were still unintentionally avoiding my 5 points.

So then I reduced it to only 2 questions, in which you still have not answered, even in your previous point. I am still waiting for an answer to both those points.

Again, since I am "insisting" about a spiritual kingdom, I asked those 2 questions (that you have not answered) so that you could initiate any sort of proof in regards to a physical kingdom that you say is "so obvious". If it is so obvious, then answering my questions would be a piece of cake.

Axts 2: Final Answer
As I said before, the disciples understood the kingdom is within you (spiritual) and they wanted something more in Acts 1:6. Christ's citing "times and seasons" (a phrase found ONLY ONCE prior to that, in Dan 2:21 makes it CLEAR that it's about a physical, literal kingdom and Christ didn't deny it or say it would never be, it was just not for them to know that it would be at the end of the age because they might have gone back fishing. Paul clearly links Christ's reference to "times & seasons" to "the day of the Lord" that comes in the context of 6,000 years because "1000 years are like a day" and God gives man six days (& 6000 years) to do his work, Ex 20; see also 2Peter 3:8-10
I can't make it any clearer and if you can't see it, maybe it's not for you...pray for eyesalve, Rev 3.

Acts2:38 · Nov 7, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
Axts 2: Final Answer
As I said before, the disciples understood the kingdom is within you (spiritual) and they wanted something more in Acts 1:6. Christ's citing "times and seasons" (a phrase found ONLY ONCE prior to that, in Dan 2:21 makes it CLEAR that it's about a physical, literal kingdom and Christ didn't deny it or say it would never be, it was just not for them to know that it would be at the end of the age because they might have gone back fishing. Paul clearly links Christ's reference to "times & seasons" to "the day of the Lord" that comes in the context of 6,000 years because "1000 years are like a day" and God gives man six days (& 6000 years) to do his work, Ex 20; see also 2Peter 3:8-10
I can't make it any clearer and if you can't see it, maybe it's not for you...pray for eyesalve, Rev 3.

Sir, you have not addressed the questions I posed.

So if you say physical, then what about Jeremiah 22:30?

And if Christ is already ruling from a the throne of David NOW, why come back to earth and rule?

Supporting scripture that Christ rules from Davids throne now:
Hebrews 8:1-4 Is "set" there now (present tense use of wording)
Acts 2:25-36 (see also Psalms 16) Throne promise fulfilled after resurrection
David 7:13-14 (see reference Hebrews 8:1-4 example) Throne promise fulfilled in heaven
Revelation 3:21 Christ Himself states that He is "set" there now (present tense)

For you to believe in a physical kingdom, you must state defense and scriptural evidence that dispels what I presented before you.

If you cannot, then just say so. If you cannot and wish to study it for a few days and come back to me, then just say so.

The questions I pose should be answered and confronted by you, who began this thread, and for all who have attended this thread. Don't turn down this wonderful opportunity to present your evidence against my questions.

Richard Ruhling · Nov 7, 2018

Acts2:38 said:
Sir, you have not addressed the questions I posed.

So if you say physical, then what about Jeremiah 22:30?

And if Christ is already ruling from a the throne of David NOW, why come back to earth and rule?

Supporting scripture that Christ rules from Davids throne now:
Hebrews 8:1-4 Is "set" there now (present tense use of wording)
Acts 2:25-36 (see also Psalms 16) Throne promise fulfilled after resurrection
David 7:13-14 (see reference Hebrews 8:1-4 example) Throne promise fulfilled in heaven
Revelation 3:21 Christ Himself states that He is "set" there now (present tense)

For you to believe in a physical kingdom, you must state defense and scriptural evidence that dispels what I presented before you.

If you cannot, then just say so. If you cannot and wish to study it for a few days and come back to me, then just say so.

The questions I pose should be answered and confronted by you, who began this thread, and for all who have attended this thread. Don't turn down this wonderful opportunity to present your evidence against my questions.

I did address Jer 22:30--those people at that time were going into captivity and it was the end of their kingdom--it passed successively to Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia & Rome which then became papal Rome (little horn growing out of 4th beast, Dan 7) Those 4 beasts parallel the 4 metals in Dan 2, but in the toes of time, "in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom..." Read the context and it's not about anything we've had for 2000 years.

Acts2:38 · Nov 7, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
I did address Jer 22:30--those people at that time were going into captivity and it was the end of their kingdom--it passed successively to Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia & Rome which then became papal Rome (little horn growing out of 4th beast, Dan 7) Those 4 beasts parallel the 4 metals in Dan 2, but in the toes of time, "in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom..." Read the context and it's not about anything we've had for 2000 years.

No, maybe you think it is an answer, but it is not. Maybe I explained it that we are not seeing on the same wave lenghth.

Jesus is from the blood line of David, right?

Coniah is from the bloodline of David, right?

See where this is going now, I hope?

So, Coniah, being cursed, will never have ANYONE from the bloodline of David sit on a physical throne ever again.

That is why I also asked the second question, that was directly related to the first.

So, can you prove that Jesus will sit on a physical earthly kingdom?

I present my 2 questions once again

So if you say physical, then what about Jeremiah 22:30?

And if Christ is already ruling from a the throne of David NOW, why come back to earth and rule?

Supporting scripture that Christ rules from Davids throne now:
Hebrews 8:1-4 Is "set" there now (present tense use of wording)
Acts 2:25-36 (see also Psalms 16) Throne promise fulfilled after resurrection
David 7:13-14 (see reference Hebrews 8:1-4 example) Throne promise fulfilled in heaven
Revelation 3:21 Christ Himself states that He is "set" there now (present tense)

Richard Ruhling · Nov 7, 2018

Acts2:38 said:
No, maybe you think it is an answer, but it is not. Maybe I explained it that we are not seeing on the same wave lenghth.

Jesus is from the blood line of David, right?

Coniah is from the bloodline of David, right?

See where this is going now, I hope?

So, Coniah, being cursed, will never have ANYONE from the bloodline of David sit on a physical throne ever again.

That is why I also asked the second question, that was directly related to the first.

So, can you prove that Jesus will sit on a physical earthly kingdom?

I present my 2 questions once again

So if you say physical, then what about Jeremiah 22:30?

And if Christ is already ruling from a the throne of David NOW, why come back to earth and rule?

Supporting scripture that Christ rules from Davids throne now:
Hebrews 8:1-4 Is "set" there now (present tense use of wording)
Acts 2:25-36 (see also Psalms 16) Throne promise fulfilled after resurrection
David 7:13-14 (see reference Hebrews 8:1-4 example) Throne promise fulfilled in heaven
Revelation 3:21 Christ Himself states that He is "set" there now (present tense)

The Bible teaches that in the mouth of two or three witnesses, a matter is established.
Witness #1: Disciples wanted a physical kingdom in Acts 1:6
Witness #2: Christ's reply of "times & seasons" (only previous reference is a physical kingdom, Dan 2:21)
Witness #3: Paul's reply puts "times & seasons for the physical kingdom in the end-time "day of the Lord" in 1Thess 5:1-3.
Witness 4: That's where Dan 2:44 also fits "in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom (context is feet of iron & clay, our time)
I am not interested in a single text with the context of the end of the kingdom of Israel went it passed to Babylon, etc. It can be taken some other way, sorry
I think 9 out of 10 people should see this. I hope you are not that unusual...but I can't make it any clearer and do not wish to waste my time if you can't see it.

Acts2:38 · Nov 7, 2018

Richard Ruhling said:
The Bible teaches that in the mouth of two or three witnesses, a matter is established.
Witness #1: Disciples wanted a physical kingdom in Acts 1:6
Witness #2: Christ's reply of "times & seasons" (only previous reference is a physical kingdom, Dan 2:21)
Witness #3: Paul's reply puts "times & seasons for the physical kingdom in the end-time "day of the Lord" in 1Thess 5:1-3.
Witness 4: That's where Dan 2:44 also fits "in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom (context is feet of iron & clay, our time)
I am not interested in a single text with the context of the end of the kingdom of Israel went it passed to Babylon, etc.

Okay, so now you placed yourself in a "rock and a hard place".

Now you place a contradiction in scripture with your way of thinking.

God's holy scripture, literally states that there will be NO MORE of David's bloodline/Coniah's bloodline, sitting on the throne ruling here anymore Jeremiah 22:30.

And you are trying to say, now, Jesus, descendant of David and Coniah, will sit on the physical throne.

However, you havent seen my other question that relates to this,

And if Christ is already ruling from a the throne of David NOW, why come back to earth and rule?

Supporting scripture that Christ rules from Davids throne now:
Hebrews 8:1-4 Is "set" there now (present tense use of wording)
Acts 2:25-36 (see also Psalms 16) Throne promise fulfilled after resurrection
Daniel 7:13-14 (see reference Hebrews 8:1-4 example) Throne promise fulfilled in heaven
Revelation 3:21 Christ Himself states that He is "set" there now (present tense)

I am basically saying that Jesus IS ruling right now on Davids throne already, and it is NOT PHYSICAL.

You have placed a contradiction. Please explain.

Richard Ruhling said:
It can be taken some other way, sorry
I think 9 out of 10 people should see this. I hope you are not that unusual...but I can't make it any clearer and do not wish to waste my time if you can't see it.

It's not that, I just didn't think you wished to contradict the word of God. But if this is the case, you will still have to explain.

I also believe I know where your hang up is. I could explain if I am certain that is the case.

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